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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:21 PM
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Bush decries gloomy economic outlook
Yep, he's at it again... everything's all hunky-dory while the country goes broke individually and collectively...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040620/ap_on_el_pr/bush_economy&cid=694&ncid=716

This is another story with a lower rating than it should have (2.99). Why anyone would believe the Chimp after the gas price hikes is beyond me, but until the Smirkmeister personally pulls the money out of their wallets, I guess some folks will never learn.

BTW Kerry has some things to say in this as well that are right on, as usual.

Mac in Ga
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:27 PM
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1. Again, Dubya is so out of touch with what is going on under his watch...
...he will continue this line just as Herbert Hoover did throughout his administration. The man is a total idiot.
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worksux Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:36 PM
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2. It's the economy ,stupid.
hi folks, 1st timer-lurked alot before joining.
:eyes: :eyes:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:37 PM
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3. HOWDY WORKSUX
Welcome! :hi:
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Philosophy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:38 PM
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4. Welcome!
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:59 PM
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5. Good to have you here- and you're right
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 12:00 AM by comsymp
Shades of Bush I... the Son is just as out of touch as, if not more than, the Father...
(and for the record, capitalization is deliberate- Crashcart completes the Trinity)

EDITED FOR CTFS
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:26 AM
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7. Welcome Worksux!!
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 12:27 AM by arwalden
Glad you're here!

-- Allen
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lucky777 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:30 AM
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8. Welcome worksux!
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freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:32 AM
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9. Hi Worksux!
Welcome to DU!

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 06:41 AM
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15. Welcome Home!
Glad to see that you have decided to jump in -
:bounce:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 05:31 PM
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19. Hi worksux!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:24 AM
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6. 65% of The 1.4 Million New Jobs Were Created By A BLS Computer
No one knows if theye exist or not!

Look at www.bls.gov - Birth/Death model.

Mr, Bush and KKK Rove are touting Bullshit once again.

Also see this report from www.comstockfunds.com

http://www.comstockfunds.com/index.cfm?act=Newsletter.cfm&category=Market%20Commentary&newsletterid=1108&menugroup=Home

We have long contended that the economic recovery and the consumer spending that propelled it were artificially based on the massive stimulation that enabled consumers to convert the wealth effect of soaring home prices and major tax cuts into ready cash despite the absence of adequate employment and wage gains. The latest data continues to support the view that employment and wage growth have been unusually tepid in the current cycle. Here are some very simple facts culled from the historical data.

On average, over the past six economic expansions, it took 24 months for total non-farm payroll employment to reach its previous peak, with a range of 19-to-32 months. Now, with the reporting of the May 2004 number, we are 38 months beyond the prior peak, and employment is still 1.37 million under its prior high. At this pace it would take another five months of average 275,000 increases just to reach the previous peak. Given these figures it is no wonder that the Fed has been so reluctant to raise rates and eliminate the only factor holding up a fragile economy.

The lack of employment growth is real and is reflected in the lack of wage gains. In the first 29 months of the last five economic recoveries the rise in wage and salary disbursements accounted, on average, for 67 percent of the gain in consumer disposable income (DPI), with a range of 59-to-79 percent. In the current expansion the increase in wages and salaries has accounted for only 33 percent of the growth in DPI. This means that an unusual two-thirds of the gain in DPI was made up of items other than wages and salaries—and the massive amounts of cash-outs from mortgage refinancing are not even part of the DPI.

Snip ......
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:38 AM
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11. More On Bogus BLS Data
Phantom Jobs?

http://www.comstockfunds.com/index.cfm/act/newsletter.cfm/category/Market%20Commentary/MenuGroup/Home/NewsLetterID/1106/startrow/3.htm

According to the headlines and the releases by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), payroll employment increased by a total of 947,000 in the last three months—353,000 in March, 346,000 in April and 248,000 in May. Since it is well known that this figure is based on an actual survey of a large number of establishments one might presume that the result is based on actual head counts. It turns out, however, that this is not the case. In fact, a large majority of the employment growth that was reported and so widely hailed in the last three months is based on a guess attributable to an arcane formula used by the BLS to estimate employment changes resulting from the birth and death of business establishments.

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According to the BLS, “The most significant potential drawback to this or any model-based approach is that time series modeling assumes a predictable continuation of historical patterns and relationships and therefore is likely to have some difficulty producing reliable estimates at economic turning points or during periods when there are sudden changes in trend…it is likely to remain as the most problematic part of the estimation process.”

The problem is that for the three months ending in May the estimation model contributed a total of 618,000 of the 947,000 rise in payroll employment—153,000 in March, 270,000 in April and 195,000 in May. Thus for the three months, 65 percent of the total growth in employment is an estimate based on the formula, and only 35 percent were actually counted. Now this may be a completely valid procedure that reflects the real number of jobs added. But it also can be way off base and result in the creation of phantom jobs that don’t exist. Nobody knows, including the BLS. The agency itself states that the model would have some difficulty at turning points, and this period would seem to fall into that category.

Snip ......
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:20 AM
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12. Wow! Two-thirds of the "new jobs" may not exist!
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:32 AM
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10. He is taking money out of my pocket.
High gas prices.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:11 AM
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13. Kick
eom
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:48 AM
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14. The Virtual US Recovery is in Trouble
The Virtual US Recovery is in Trouble
by William Engdahl

Most newspapers are filled with reports of a growing US economic recovery after nearly three years of recession and stagnation. President Bush speaks of steady growth beginning. The Federal Reserve head, Alan Greenspan, says much the same. Wall Street stocks are rising on hopes of future boom. The sober reality, however, is that the economy of the United States is on artificial life support. The Bush Administration is doing everything possible to feed the illusion of recovery, what we might well call a virtual recovery, until the November elections. He is doing this at a huge cost to not just the US, but also to the entire world economy.

In normal postwar US recessions, companies reduced debts, laid off workers and prepared to go forward with a better debt-to-revenue basis. Private households have normally reduced their debts and cut back in spending in a normal recession. This is no normal recession. The situation is alarming, and not at all the usual recovery. For the first time since the Great Depression in the 1930's American families are dramatically increasing their private debts during and after the so-called end of recession, officially announced back in November 2001. Instead of the usual period of savings and caution, families have borrowed to record levels. The central bank of Greenspan has encouraged the biggest consumer debt orgy in world history, since the collapse of the dot.com bubble in March 2001.
Personal debt levels rise, jobs vanish

Since the end of 2000 private consumer debt has exploded from 70% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) today to 82% today. As of April 2003, total private consumer debt, mortgage and other debt (auto, credit card etc.) stood at $ 9.3 trillion. This is a huge rise. Most of the debt has been concentrated in the debt for home mortgages and related loans. Here total household debt has risen to just over $ 7 trillion. That is $ 25,000 debt for every man woman and child. Average credit card debt alone is $ 12,000 and rates paid to banks for that debt are well above 14% a year.

<snip>

Housing bubble about to pop?

With real unemployment rising to near 11 %, wages stagnant or even falling, it is not surprising that some families are having trouble surviving. Personal bankruptcy filings are at a record high. And now there are signs for the first time that, despite lowest interest rates in 43 years, families are starting to have trouble paying their home mortgages. Today the ratio of household debts to personal asset worth is at an all-time high of 22.6 %. Many families are forced to work two or even three jobs to pay bills, especially cost of the mortgage on their home.

Home prices have climbed dramatically in the past 3 years as low interest rates have encouraged banks to lend to even high risk families. Government or semi-government agencies with names like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac take the risk off the hands of the local lending bank onto the US taxpayer. For more than one hundred years, US banks lent money for buying a home based on very conservative rules that required a significant initial cash payment, usually 25-30 % of the value of the mortgage loan, and proof that the family had collateral or assets worth more than the home in event of payment trouble. Today, using new financial derivatives and government guarantees, banks lend without even thorough checks of credit. In some cases loans are for 125 % the value of a home. And the US Congress is planning to introduce a law, 'The Zero Down Payment Act of 2004' that would allow certain buyers to buy without a penny of cash first. They are playing with fire.

More: http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2004/02/20040201.php

TYY
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 06:49 AM
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16. wow! excellent article TYY!
Thanks for posting it... :hi:
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 09:28 AM
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17. Thanks leftchick. kick ...n/t
TYY:kick:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:43 AM
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18. Spoiled, Incompetent Fratboy
Elderly people in my area are sitting in houses without water, heat and no food in their fridges...they are in rural areas, and they are dying.
Middle class workers are now working 6 dollar an hour jobs, sometimes 3 and 4 jobs to keep up with their payments.
Its ugly, and that asshole spoiled wealthy little bastard has the nerve to open his mouth.
F*ck him.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 01:57 AM
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20. Virtual US Recovery kick for post #14.
TYY:kick:
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