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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:51 AM
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HAS THE HOUSE BOOM BUST? - UK
House price increases 'slowing' after £1billion drop in lending

By Clinton Manning, Business Editor

A £1BILLION drop in mortgage lending suggests the house price boom could be starting to slow.

Borrowing dipped from £24.8billion in April to £23.8 billion last month.

The Council for Mortgage Lenders said sky-high prices and rising interest rates were putting the brakes on the market.

Crucially, it added that the drop in lending was driven by a fall in the number of people taking out a mortgage to buy a house.

Separate figures from the British Bankers Association showed May had the smallest monthly rise in mortgage advances since November last year.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14346878%26method=full%26siteid=50143%26headline=has%2dthe%2dhouse%2dboom%2dbust%2d-name_page.html
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Doctor Smith Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:18 AM
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1. First Australia, then U.K., U.S. next.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:20 AM
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2. The Bank of England certainly hopes so
after all, its been trying to cool it off in order to prevent a crash for a few years now.
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uptown ruler Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:53 AM
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3. just you wait til...
our housing markets have an "adjustment"



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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:08 AM
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4. I really don't understand how people are able to afford
these housing prices....and apparently, A LOT of people can.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:42 AM
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5. That's what I say. The salaries don't match and there's not forecast
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 11:46 AM by dArKeR
that incomes will rise significantly in the future. Unless the Democratic Capitalists are planning;
1. Just husband/male works
2. Husband/wife two incomes pay for home
3. (Next year Republican plan) - Husband/wife/children pay for home.

You all must be stupid!!! You all must be stupid!!!! (Them, not DUers.) And/or the Media Whores aren't publishing the truth. Canuse I can take you on a walk through any 90% of neighborhoods in CA and show you 4+ adults plus children living in homes designed for 2 adults and 2 children.

Secondly, I feel there is a statistics scam going on with reguard to who's actually bought homes. I feel only weathy immigrants are allowed in the USA who then jack up the housing prices.

B. I can also show you per block 10 homes who've illegally converted their garage to living space.

C. I also see not just Asian and Latino families who have their parents living with them, I'm increasingly seeing Anglo Americans doing this too.
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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 07:57 PM
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9. I also believe that Americans have changed their idea
of 'what is acceptable housing'. Back in the 60's our family would have been considered middle, probably upper middle class. Two parents and four children lived 'comfortably' - we really did - in a 'larger' 3 bedroom/1.5 bath home (with basement). Socially, my parents were considered to have a very nice home by their peers. They threw lots of enjoyable parties for their friends and co-workers, and it all worked out fine.

I don't think many 6 person American families today would consider a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath home 'acceptable' or find it 'comfortable'. I believe expectations in America have risen waaaay too high - and we're enjoying our nice 'things' less. We've become slaves to them, rather than those 'things' being our good servants.

Additionally, contrast America's housing expectations to places like Hong Kong, where ten years ago (I presume it's still similar now), people would be on government waiting lists for up to ten years to get into a government apartment (flat) that was only 500 square feet TOTAL. Whole famililes (and sometimes a maid) would all live in a 500 sf area!
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:56 AM
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10. Whose living high on the hog? Average Americans or executives?
Why should executives be paid millions in salary. I'd do the job for 400K.

But I've thought of the same point your bring up. It seems so many people expect all of these nice things, house/car, but without putting in sweat to study and work for them.

As far as HK, I don't think that is true. I've never heard anything about 'waiting lists' for 'condos' in HK. I do not think there is a housing shortage in HK. I've been in dozens of HK condos but I must say I didn't ask my friends about the market conditions/system. I know the housing price went sky-high about 80s-90s then crashed then I believe it's firming up recently. HK condos are the nicest you'll see in Asia, minus JP/SG.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:42 PM
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7. Two Words
CHEAP DEBT!

Alan Greenspan, in an effort to secure the election for Bush, has kept interest rates at their lowest levels in 40+ years.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:40 PM
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6. I found this article from Washington Monthy
One of these spells flared up during the last week in February, when Greenspan recommended that the home-owning public take a good hard look at switching from fixed-rate mortgages, under whose terms payments stay the same no matter what interest rates do, to adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs), where payments fluctuate along with interest rates--which, right now, makes close to zero sense. Interest rates are lower than they've been in 30 years, and, with all economists predicting a general economic upturn, and Bush's budget deficit and the weak dollar sucking up capital, little doubt exists that interest rates must rise, in which case, switching from a fixed-rate to adjustable-rate mortgage would be pretty costly for any family naïve enough to take Greenspan at his word. The episode did not pass completely without critical notice. It was "the strangest bit of advice ever to be proffered by an American central banker," Jim Grant, publisher of Grant's Interest Rate Observer, told the San Francisco Chronicle. Then the press moved on: "Oh, it's just Greenspan."

But sometimes wacko ideas can betray deeper truths. It is tempting to ask what stake the chairman might have in trying to convince millions of people to do something so contrary to their own interest. One theory floated by Fed-watchers is that the chairman is trying to help out his classic institutional constituency, the big banks, which hold trillions of dollars in fixed-rate mortgage paper. There may be something to that theory, but there is almost certainly a deeper and more important motive behind this curious advice. Quite simply, Greenspan is trying to keep a wobbly and fragile recovery alive--and using mortgage refinancing to do it.

There are many strange things about the choppy recovery we're in, but among the most curious is that it is being fueled largely by consumer spending. Why consumers should continue to spend, and why they've done it throughout the recession, is not immediately obvious. After all, average income growth has been puny in the last few years. There's been a big falloff in jobs. Health care and tuition costs have only been going up. And the stock market has spent the last three years unsuccessfully huffing and puffing to get back to the level where it was in early 2001. Why have consumers been spending so much?

Economists have advanced two main reasons. One is that Americans have so lost their moorings that they've had few qualms about going deep into debt. That's certainly true. The average person's debt as a percentage of his income is now higher than it's ever been. But there's another reason, too: Americans have been using their homes as ATM machines, refinancing their mortgages in order to fund their spending. This, of course, makes sense. The one sector of the economy that has consistently swelled has been housing prices. This has intrigued and surprised many economists, because housing is supposed to operate in sync with the economy, expanding during flush times and contracting when things go poorly. But even in a down economy, prices have soared....


He goes on to talk about why home prices are about to "plummet":

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0404.wallace-wells.html


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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 07:32 PM
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8. Thanks for posting....this is an interesting article
n/t
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