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CShine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:34 PM
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Caffeine-free coffee tree is discovered
A naturally caffeine-free coffee plant has been found growing wild in Ethiopia, heralding the prospect of a cup of freshly-ground arabica that will not keep you awake.Scientists in Brazil have discovered three arabica coffee plants that do not produce caffeine in their leaves or beans among a batch of 6,000 wild specimens originally collected in the late 1980s. The scientists believe the wild plants could be cultivated to produce their own caffeine-free beans, or could be cross-bred with other varieties of arabica coffee to introduce the natural caffeine-free trait into commercial crops.

About 10 per cent of the coffee consumed in the world is processed to remove caffeine, a natural chemical linked with heart palpitations, raised blood pressure, anxiety, tremors, gastrointestinal upsets and insomnia. But the decaffeination process also removes organic compounds that can affect coffee's taste and aroma.

The wild plants that lack caffeine were found by a team led by Paulo Mazzafera, professor of plant physiology in Brazil, whose study is published in the journal Nature. "We have discovered a naturally decaffeinated Coffea arabica plant from Ethiopia, a species normally recognised for the high quality of its beans," he said.

It is not known why coffee plants normally produce caffeine, which is also produced in the leaves of unrelated plant species such as tea and cocoa.

"We can find it in more than 60 species of plants in nature. We don't know why it's there, it does not seem to be a simple waste product of plant metabolism, nor does it protect against insect pests," Professor Massafera said.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=534610
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trag Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:36 PM
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1. I wonder what happens when you smoke it! n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:36 PM
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2. And what would be the purpose of this worthless thing?
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:39 PM
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3. better tasting non-caffinated (as opposed to de-caffinated)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:50 PM
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8. And it should be cheaper too
Since decaf currently has to be made with super-premium beans to get any flavor whatsoever in the final product. Of course the price won't go down, but the profits will most certainly increase for coffee dealers.

...and yes, decaf coffee is pointless IMO.

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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:40 PM
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5. Nothing..
It would be just as annoying as when people start a new pot of de-caf in the break room...
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:39 PM
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4. I don't understand this..
What is the point of caffeine free coffee?? And what is the point of alcohol free beer? Fat free ice cream? If you want to commit the sin, shouldn't you pay the price??
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 05:36 PM
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10. My pet peeve is....


TURKEY bacon. I realize some people must like this faux food, but if I am going to eat bacan, I WANT BACON AS GOD MEANT BACON TO BE.....sorry, I'll take my medication now.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:44 PM
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21. Even worse, ground turkey made to look like ground beef...
Using tofu as a meat substitue.... :puke:
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:49 PM
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27. OH MY GOD
That's worse sounding than turkey bacon. Yuck!
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 06:11 PM
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15. The point is...
that some of us practically grew up drinking coffee and have had to switch to decaf for one reason or another. A naturally caffeine free coffee will allow us to have a better cup of coffee that hasn't had all of it's flavor processed out of it.

Yippee!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 08:06 PM
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30. Thank You! Yes!
I've been drinking it since I was 15 and I am practically addicted.
This is great news.
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Mechatanketra Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:11 PM
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16. 'Commit a sin'?
Wow. I know the religious nuts have a lot of peculiar hang-ups, but I didn't realize eating sweets was gonna send me to Hell, too.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:49 PM
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26. Hmmm....
Isn't gluttony a sin? :evilgrin:
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 01:02 PM
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44. Drat. So it is....
Guess it's hell for me when I croak. Might as well party hardy in the interim.

:beer:
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:21 PM
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33. If it weren't for the caffeine jolt, I'd rarely drink coffee
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 09:21 PM by kysrsoze
Granted, I love the stuff (especially some good Costa Rican or Jamaican coffee) but without caffeine, I'd just buy a Coke or a bottle of O.J. Nothing wakes you up like a nice big coffee - can't function at work w/o it sometimes.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:38 PM
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34. Amen Bro...EOM
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:45 PM
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37. gotta have my morning coke with lots of ice
the real thing, classic coke, no diet!;-)
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:43 PM
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36. they don't want you to enjoy anything
get it?
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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:46 PM
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6. It might surprise you to learn this
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 04:46 PM by Northwind
But a large number of people drink coffee because they enjoy and appreciate the taste. not merely for a buzz, just as some people drink beer, wine, or various liquors not only to get drunk.

Do not assume others have the same chemical dependancies as you.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:52 PM
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9. Enjoy the taste. Yes, of course. Enjoy the taste.
Good one.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:29 PM
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18. More Than Taste Is THE SMELL! I LOVE The Smell Of Coffee
can no longer handle caffeine but even more than the flavor of coffee is the SMELL.

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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:47 PM
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23. Laugh it up
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 07:47 PM by Northwind
But do not blame me that you do not have the sophistication to appreciate the flavor of coffee. I am a major coffee afficiando, and I drink decaf at night, because I like the taste, even though the taste of decaf is inferior because of the decaffeination process. It would be wonderful to have non-caffeine coffee that tastes just as good as regular.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:46 PM
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38. LOL
n/t
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:47 PM
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24. Right...
And some people read Playboy for the articles....
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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:48 PM
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25. See above
Phillistine
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:56 PM
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29. LOL..Live and let live...Whatever makes you happy...
:evilgrin:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:45 PM
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35. Hmmm.
Well, I never drink either type of coffee, but I think Will Durst would take issue with you...

"It's coffee! It's not a toy, it's a tool! It's hot bitter dirty water with a buzz!"

:)

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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:47 PM
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7. An abomination, created by the devil to dilute our precious body fluids.
It's in the Bible. Look it up!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 05:40 PM
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11. I wonder if Mormons will be allowed this
I understand coffee is a no-no.
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Arcturus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 11:14 PM
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40. Probably not
I am a Mormon. I don't forsee this changing anything - we don't drink any form of coffee, including decaf.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 11:56 PM
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41. Thanks for the reply
You are not missing much, as far as the decaf goes.:)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 05:42 PM
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12. Coffee without caffeine
is like a kiss without a squeeze.

:)
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 05:50 PM
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13. I love coffee
and especially love it in the morning with all of it's caffeine.

I enjoy a cuppa or two in the afternoon also.

I like the extra dark brews.
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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:49 PM
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28. Did you know
That darker roasted coffee, while more intense in flavor, is considerably lower in caffeine? The roasting process burns caffeine away, so darker roasts have less caffeine. I myself drink double french or italian roast. So dark light cannot escape its surface. :D
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 05:57 PM
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14. Good! And the devil take methylene chloride! eom
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:17 PM
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17. so isn't it a good thing that they didn't clearcut Ethiopia!
Still some valuable wild DNA out there ... I hope that the profits from this plant will benefit the country. They could certainly use the revenue.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:35 PM
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19. no patents for plants found in a country
Just for GM plants. So much for "GM will rescue the 3rd world".

Completely unrelated: the price for Coke, dew, caffeine pills might rise, almost all caffeine is won from decaf-coffee production.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 08:15 PM
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31. so no luck with the Biodiversity Convention?
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 08:16 PM by Lisa
I'd heard about the case where Norway isn't entitled to receive royalties from a drug produced from a fungus discovered there (cyclosporin?) because it pre-dates the Convention. It looks like Ethiopia has already ratified the treaty, though. Haven't they got any grounds (if you pardon the pun)?


http://www.biodiv.org/convention/articles.asp
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:39 PM
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20. buzz > caffeine
Coffee's all about theophylline and misc alkaloids. Caffeine is only one axis of the experience, as Timothy Leary might say.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 07:46 PM
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22. But will this help the Ethiopians?
Sounds wonderful for coffee drinkers, I can only hope the people of Ethiopia will benefit monetarily.
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nonbelief Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:02 PM
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32. High-free cocaine discovered!
You can snort it for hours without any affect.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:53 PM
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39. an OUTRAGE
Proof that we are fucking up mother nature too much if she allows decaffeinated coffee to exist!!! :nuke:

Coffee MUST have caffeine. I am a fascist about this.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 09:13 AM
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43. No No No
Please, there are divergent opinions on this. I am completely with Northwind.
I'd like more input here.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 03:47 AM
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42. Hey, don't fret dear caffeine-junkies!
> Scientists in Brazil have discovered three arabica coffee plants that
> do not produce caffeine in their leaves or beans among a batch of
> 6,000 wild specimens originally collected in the late 1980s.

C'mon guys, the chance of those three plants (0.05% of their sample)
surviving the droughts, wars, clear-cutting and other crap in Ethiopia
over the last 20 years or so is pretty small ... don't fret, just have
another cup of the real stuff.

("The Good Lord provideth, the Good Lord taketh away")

:evilgrin:
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