Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Legal experts slam torture policy process

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 08:59 PM
Original message
Legal experts slam torture policy process
<snip>
"What they have done is preposterous," said Eugene R. Fidell, an expert on military law and president of the National Institute of Military Justice, a Washington think tank. "Calling the memo irrelevant is a pretty lame way of getting out of this. But the reality is that the thinking here was the foundation stone of their policy.

"I can't remember a more unanimous chorus of lawyers from every part of the political spectrum agreeing on an issue."
<snip>

"Realistically, those parts of the memos are not novel, but other parts are shockingly novel," (Allen Weiner) added. "The constitutional analysis on the president's power was the most shocking thing. These are totally new powers. These are very bald-faced and categorical assertions. Federal criminal laws become inapplicable."
<snip>

"The question of the president's constitutional authority goes back to the early days of the republic," said (Rear Adm. John D. Hutson). "That is a perfectly legitimate subject to debate. But one of the offensive aspects of this to me is that they used that venerable and honorable issue, that people care greatly about, for a short-term, mean-spirited, ill-advised advantage."
<snip>

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/24/MNG2A7B8G91.DTL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
1. House Panel to Block Torture Justification
House Committee Votes to Block Justice Department From Justifying Torture

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON June 23, 2004 — A House committee Wednesday voted to bar the Justice Department from issuing legal justifications for the U.S. use of torture as Congress continued to react to government memos that seemed to permit the practice.

And the Senate defeated 50-46 a measure that would have declared all U.S. officials bound by anti-torture laws and required Pentagon reports on interrogations techniques, the number of detainees denied POW status, Red Cross findings on U.S. military prisons and a schedule for trying terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"This was a shot across the bow," Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy, a sponsor, said after it failed. "The votes tonight show patience is wearing thin with this White House's refusal to level with the American people."

Republican members of the Senate said the legislation was nothing more than a partisan move to embarrass President Bush.
<snip>

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040623_2656.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Edmond Dantes Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. David Rivkin's comments are almost humorous...
In his former capacity as General Counsel for the Dept. of Energy (or was it Commerce?), he deliberately contrived disputes with EPA over proper interpretation of the Clean Air Act Amendments. This would force the issue to OLC for resolution favorable to big oil. It was a way of wresting control away from EPA which had authority to promulgate new clean air regulations.

Rivkin has participated in the contrived OLC legal memoranda-opinions scam. His hands aren't clean
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Yeah. Ha ha. I become less of a pacifist every day. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 09:05 PM
Response to Original message
2. It's funny under the rule of tyrrany..........anything goes.
Look at our SUPREME examplar..........

The Supreme COURT CAVES in to a TYRRANNY

All rights are erased and irradicated!!!!


Being a wet-back gone south, ain't so bad an idea.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 02:00 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC