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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:21 AM Original message |
Woman Fired For Eating 'Unclean' Meat |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. Proof that religious discrimination and stupididty.. |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yet more religious stupidity, that's what i think. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
3. Is eating a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich a religious rite or |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. NO, I don't think it |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
55. I don't think any of these hypotheticals you present are at issue here. |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 09:38 AM Response to Reply #55 |
162. Gee, |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #162 |
179. I'm changing the subject? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #179 |
246. Well said, Stranger. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #179 |
268. The question is not whether its a religious right to eat a BLT, |
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coda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
62. Religious rite? Prolly not, but a good BLT |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
67. Hmmm, eating ANYTHING is a religious rite, IMO |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion..... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
110. You should re-read the Constitution |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 05:12 PM Response to Reply #110 |
121. And the Civil Right Act of 1964.... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Based upon religion, not the lack thereof |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. so if company policy says |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. Race is specifically protected, eating bacon or sausage is not |
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Longhorn79 (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Religion is specifically protected also, |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:18 PM Response to Reply #133 |
148. It's not just the smell, it's the pork |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. Banning pork was a religious requirement |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:19 PM Response to Reply #134 |
149. Not so, they are simply saying what you can't eat on THEIR premises |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #149 |
181. Wrongo, they are requiring participation in a religious practice |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. Interesting point. |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #182 |
194. Actually, RE: veganism/vegetarianism... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 04:04 AM Response to Reply #194 |
223. There are other religions that prohibit meat |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. You are confusing forcing someone to do something against their will... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #181 |
190. No, they are requiring the absence of a non-religious item |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #190 |
208. Are knives religious items? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:45 AM Response to Reply #208 |
216. They can be, yes. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:51 AM Response to Reply #216 |
217. So, would you agree... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 03:31 AM Response to Reply #217 |
221. No, I wouldn't |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:03 AM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Hmmmmm... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #224 |
249. Here is where your argument is wrong. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #249 |
261. So they're curtailing her liberty based upon their religion.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #261 |
262. That is what they are doing.... it is not illegal. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. You're wrong.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #263 |
265. Yes, I will, unless the court rules... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #265 |
267. We shall see.... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #129 |
138. gun possession generally don't qualify as a religious act |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. So, eating pork is a religious act? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. NOT eating pork is a religious act. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. No they aren't |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 09:40 AM Response to Reply #129 |
163. It's still an unlawfu |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #163 |
191. I am against unneeded legal intervention |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #191 |
202. and nobody NEEDS to not be muslim. |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:06 PM Response to Reply #202 |
204. She wasn't discriminated against |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #191 |
255. Well, |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #255 |
266. Tolerance means accepting that others are different... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-08-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #266 |
277. So, are you saying muslims can't go anyplace.... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-09-04 05:47 AM Response to Reply #277 |
282. In fact |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #68 |
247. They didn't force her to follow dietary restrictions. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
4. Religious fundamentalism of all variety is incompatible with |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
144. hell, not just incompatable with democracy, with human reason itself |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
195. This is NOT "Religious Fundamentalism"-- it's a cultural issue |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. Does a private employer have the right to ban pork from their premesis? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
130. In a "right-to-work" state, I would imagine so. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. Considering the prohibition against pork |
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pennylane100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I think you are wrong on this one |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. I believe companies can enforce their beliefs on their employees... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
71. Wrong. Companies CAN NOT enforce religious policies.... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
111. You are wrong |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Right--but that belief has to be central to their mission. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #111 |
123. so, because there's a narrow exception to the rule... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #123 |
169. It's not a narrow exception |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #169 |
183. Does that exemption apply in this case? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #111 |
184. What if an anti-abortion atheist shows up? (nt) |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
113. Companies can enforce their rules as long as they are reasonable and legal |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. From what the article seems to imply though... |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. But it should also |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
20. You're right, it is a "great comfort"... |
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LeftyChristian (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
102. Another comfort |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #102 |
117. So when are you going to DO something... |
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LeftyChristian (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #117 |
161. Excellent |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. But the policy was never in writing |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
69. Whew. That's good to know. So when the Salvation Army.... |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
168. Let's pretend the woman was Lutheran and her boss was Catholic |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #168 |
196. If she was eating dog or rat, maybe |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:21 AM Response to Reply #196 |
213. I've got no sympathy for her either... |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:40 AM Response to Reply #213 |
226. Oh Please, it is "sensitivity and tolerance" |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:43 AM Response to Reply #226 |
227. "Overbearing religious fanatics?" |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:12 AM Response to Reply #227 |
231. Baltimoreboy... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:20 AM Response to Reply #231 |
234. I was rushed this morning |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #227 |
238. She was not stopping them |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #238 |
271. Their tenets say they can't even touch it |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:02 AM Response to Reply #226 |
230. Overbearing religious fanatics? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:15 AM Response to Reply #230 |
232. Huh? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:22 AM Response to Reply #232 |
235. I love the ridiculous analogies |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 07:04 AM Response to Reply #235 |
241. So what exatly are they doing poking their fingers in her lunch? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-07-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #241 |
275. The pork would still enter the office and the lunch room |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-08-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #275 |
278. So, what you're saying is.... |
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JustJersey (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #235 |
250. Similar Situation |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:32 AM Response to Reply #232 |
237. And a big huh back from me... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 07:02 AM Response to Reply #237 |
240. heh... |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 08:43 AM Response to Reply #237 |
245. But in a |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #245 |
251. You do on their property... |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-09-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #251 |
285. I still say that they cannot |
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Spentastic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:31 AM Response to Reply #230 |
236. On the other hand |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 07:08 AM Response to Reply #236 |
242. Better break out the Burquas.... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 10:13 AM Response to Reply #242 |
248. Do we need the stereotypical slurs? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #248 |
260. Tad bit defensive, aren't you? |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 07:16 AM Response to Reply #230 |
243. Absolutely, the employers |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 03:39 AM Response to Reply #168 |
222. No... |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #222 |
244. The Catholic and the Krishna |
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luaneryder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
7. Consider this alongside |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. but Samaritan's Purse is a religious organisation |
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gatlingforme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
9. The implications are interesting. I do believe this is a constitutional |
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Khephra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
12. There's been moves to restrict the actions of people in |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I have absolutely no problem with |
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
14. It's as the article says, un-American. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. would you agree to that |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I think their food laws should be respected |
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pennylane100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. what if their religion also forbid women showing their faces |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
125. As always, you don't have to work there |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
135. She could have gone out... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. so, can you give a NON-religious reason for the ban on pork? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Why would I have to? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. Sorry, I don't buy it. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 03:23 AM Response to Reply #146 |
220. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:06 AM Response to Reply #220 |
225. It has nothing to do with right to work.... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. Do you know for a fact that she could have left the property for lunch? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. That's a good point. |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
57. your examples |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
74. Common decency? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 12:59 AM Response to Reply #74 |
158. There have been some interesting arguments on this thread |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:00 AM Response to Reply #158 |
229. It doesn't matter. |
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FormerOstrich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
17. When I lived in Utah |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
22. Think of this in relation to a smoking ban, and you will see that |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. A smoking ban is not done for religious reasons |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The reason doesn't matter. |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. On the other hand, |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. You are confusing government action with private actions... |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I don't think that I am |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
58. Again, you are confusing public with private... |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. But there are some |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
136. Well,... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Almost anything can be "offensive" to someone |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. Many corporations have a dress code, and rules about facial hair... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. It is not the same |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Let me restate slightly then.... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
98. Thats a better question, but still |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. "Universally accepted as inappropriate" is the key... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. So it'd be OK.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Nope. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. buh-bye... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #105 |
155. I think some of them do. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:14 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. If that's the case... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
76. Ravy, you're 100% wrong. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. How is this discrimination? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. It's very simple. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. I believe you are misapplying the law... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. pornography is creating a hostile workplace.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. There is where you are wrong. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. But WHY was the company policy there? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. You are mistating the article... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Look, I'm not going to argue with you.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Deleted message |
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108. Deleted message |
Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. If you talked to me like your last three posts in my workplace, |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. DNR is posting very unlawyerly remarks |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I agree, but the mods obviously see it the other way around. :-( (n/t) |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 05:09 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Gee, Sangha.... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. That's not true |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. Customers in the lunch room??? |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #132 |
151. Every place I've ever worked customers can enter the building |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 09:34 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. So, how often do customers go into a telecommunication center... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:13 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Big clients do tours of companies they deal with fairly often |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. nope... |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 05:07 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. What about "tours" didn't you grasp |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #157 |
170. Breaking News |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #170 |
185. the facts that we know: |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #185 |
192. The company policy |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 09:53 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. last time I checked.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:01 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. Last time I checked, |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #104 |
154. right |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 06:02 AM Response to Reply #154 |
160. She WILL win the civil rights claim... |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #160 |
187. "Jesus fucking Christ" |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #187 |
201. you can have an opinion on anything.... |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. but what you stated was that |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 03:02 AM Response to Reply #205 |
218. Abortion is slightly less esoteric than the CRA '64... |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-08-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #218 |
276. most people know SFA about abortion |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-08-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #276 |
279. If all lawyers agreed... |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-08-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #279 |
280. exactly |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-09-04 02:42 AM Response to Reply #280 |
281. if you read the posts of the person I made that comment to.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #154 |
171. Actually, I knew I had him when he indicated he was a lawyer... |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. It different in that |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. This isn't different because... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #93 |
166. I Don't Get This |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Here is the difference in what they did and what you are claiming. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #167 |
172. Your Example Is The Definition of Parsing |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Banning a confederate flag is based on a racial belief... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. If You Could Show Me Where I Said That, I'd Happily Retract |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. I understand the tack you are taking now... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. No, I Don't Think It Does |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Well, in this case... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. Let's Just Leave It At That |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. maybe the law is an ass |
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metasphere (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #175 |
207. What does "unclean" mean here? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #207 |
209. That is where this is getting all out of kelter... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #93 |
189. Muslims are prevented only from eating pork they aren't |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #189 |
198. I can't claim to know... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. At what point would you question a boss? A boss is not a |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #199 |
210. To answer your question, I suppose that... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #210 |
253. I don't have a "religion" and want the right to be free from |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. If you make that a company policy, yes, it does. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #198 |
257. Well you should find out. The Koran only forbids eating, |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #257 |
264. I agree that it seems a bit fanatical, but that doesn't change the fact |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
256. It is not her who is making a religious justification for her BLT. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-07-04 12:09 AM Response to Reply #256 |
272. Exactly!!! |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-07-04 09:32 AM Response to Reply #272 |
274. You post 80 says thre opposite to what you just wrote. You say |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Second hand pork? |
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playahata1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. The reasons for the prohibition of pork have to do with the time |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. I don't know, I think that you may be right |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
197. People still get trichinosis today |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Yes, second hand pork :-).... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Some muslims find |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
99. And I see your point too... |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
28. I like that this case is coming up, but for other reasons: |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
29. She wasn't fired for eating pork.... |
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Mithras61 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. True, but the problem remains that the policy was... |
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Doctor Smith (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Who says policies have to be written? |
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Mithras61 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I agree, but the lawsuit is based on... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. ahh, but if you read the article |
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Mithras61 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I know. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. Otherwise they can be altered without notification |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
77. Sorry, dude, it's religious discrimination.... |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
36. This is LBN? |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Yes n/t |
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HalfManHalfBiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
39. Now I've heard it all |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
42. Fine with me. |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
91. Yeah...many may have died....due to her "incompetent"! |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
127. Hey, nobody will die... |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
43. well, Florida is a "right to work" state |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I'm fairly sure that islam doesn't |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. that's not the point |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Eating pork |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
78. Wrong. Right to work does NOT mean.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. State the law then, or provide a link please. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. The Civil Rights Act of 1964.... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
85. If a company can restrict any food |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. there's a difference between morally right and legally right |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. think of it this way.... |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 01:29 AM Response to Reply #95 |
211. First of all |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
188. Love the points you made about coming into contact with someone's lunch. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I wonder if someone |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
90. some people consider |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
65. No. You are confusing "right to work" with "at will employment". |
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Mighty Undecided (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
44. Give ANY religion power to lord over people and you get Middle Ages |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. I don't understand all these folks defending the company |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
212. Welcome to republican rule |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-07-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #212 |
273. Yep, there's something really bizarre about seeing liberals argue |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #273 |
286. It's called 'hypocrisy' |
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Pale_Rider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
46. In my company ... |
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Pale_Rider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
47. In my company ... |
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mumon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
49. Well, I guess they could hire |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. As long as he's qualified for the job |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I'd object if a co-worker sat at her desk eating a shit sandwich. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
54. People who don't believe in gay marriage |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. My point about |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
94. Tolerance |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
270. I agree completely. Tolerance and accomodation. n/t |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
70. the company is in the wrong |
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Bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
81. Sue the Bastards |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
83. If she ate it on company property... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
89. OK, what if a Southern Baptist employer had fired the woman |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
115. the employer is effectively forcing his religious views upon the woman |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
120. I believe this company will lose their case. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
122. So they have a policy that prohibits employees from sinning |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
131. Sounds like the company's not too bright. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
143. I think that Ms. Morales is going to get a lot of money |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-04 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
145. interesting concept... |
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prodigal_green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
164. They signed the EEOC |
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Baltimoreboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 08:11 PM Response to Reply #164 |
193. Ah the special bacon and pork discrimination clause |
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Mississippi Liberal (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
165. Another lawyer weighs in . . . |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #165 |
214. You are not an attorney |
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Mississippi Liberal (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #214 |
252. It never fails to amuse me when people refuse to believe |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #214 |
259. Neither am I .... |
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LimpingLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-04 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
206. There are laws against eating certain meats. (sadly not against pork) |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #206 |
219. How do you "east pork"... |
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LimpingLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 05:53 AM Response to Reply #219 |
228. Worst yet I think pigs are actualy 4th smartest (dogs might be 9th). |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:18 AM Response to Reply #228 |
233. Well, until then... |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
215. Wonder whyhe caved and ate pork... |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
239. Another new DU kick. |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
258. Pork may have political meaning to Muslims, too |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-06-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #258 |
269. Muqtedar Khan "all ideas have an expiry date." |
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sidestreamer (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-09-04 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
283. If the woman is correct in everything she said, the company is at fault |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-09-04 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
284. Call me old fashioned... |
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