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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 07:57 PM
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FBI, Post Office search NJ, NY homes in anthrax probe
August 4, 2004

DOVER TOWNSHIP, N.J. ? Federal agents investigating the deadly 2001 anthrax attacks searched a lagoon-front bungalow here Thursday along with two upstate New York homes belonging to the founder of an anti-terrorism organization that trains medical professionals to respond to chemical and biological attacks.

Officers arrived at the Dover Township home around 9 a.m., said Jonathan DeGraw, 26, of Suffern, N.Y., who had been renting the home next door for the last two weeks with his girlfriend and her daughter.

Agents brought out garbage bags that appeared to be filled with bulky contents, DeGraw said. Authorities also removed boxes with clear plastic bags in them.

Two black sport utility vehicles were parked outside the New Jersey home, along with two white rental vans until late Thursday afternoon.

In Wellsville, N.Y., more than three dozen agents, some in protective suits, combed through two homes. Property records list them as the past and present addresses of Dr. Kenneth Berry, 48, who founded PREEMPT Medical Counter-Terrorism Inc. in 1997.


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/219227p-188563c.html

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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:00 PM
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1. I went to College..............
in the Wellsville area. All I can say is that there are some real yokels in that area. Freeper types abound. It would not surprize me in the least if someone from that area was responsible for the Anthrax attacks.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:03 PM
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2. I live near there, it is a
very conservative Republican area for sure.

180
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:11 PM
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3. I went to......................
Alfred U. Class of '72. Wow, that was a long time ago! They didn't even have bars in the town, they were illegal. We had the campus pub, that got us through the week, but weekends we'd travel to the big city, Hornell, and REALLY get wild.

I talk bad about the place, but I really did have a good time there. It was just a little scary living in an area so conservative during the Viet Nam era.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:18 PM
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4. Ceramics???
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 09:03 PM
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5. Maybe they found something maybe they didn't .. my question is..
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 09:52 PM by tlcandie
after 2-3 years how can you find evidence that relates back to 2001? Wouldn't those labs or whatever it took to produce the anthrax have been shut down and they moved on to other places?

I'm not the brightest light bulb in the closet, so any help would be appreciated...thanks!

EDIT: Website for this business:
http://home.eznet.net/~kenberry/



Link to his biography:
http://home.eznet.net/~kenberry/drberry.htm

Seems that Senator Sam Nunn and one other know him quite well..
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 09:57 PM
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6. Something about Nunn-Luger legislation titled..
Nunn-Luger I and the Nunn-Luger-Domenici II (1997 information)

Link follows:

http://home.eznet.net/~kenberry/materials/BERRYNUN.htm
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:27 PM
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7. 1998 conference included Lugar, Nunn and Specter. The plot congeals.
This may be interesting.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:36 PM
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8. You know what they say ...
FOLLOW THE $$$!!!
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:40 PM
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9. Found this in July 2004... interesting
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 10:46 PM by tlcandie
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/20/142620.shtml

<snip>
A law-enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press the activity was related to the anthrax mailings that killed five people and sickened 17 in autumn 2001.

FBI agents have frequently visited Fort Detrick since the unsolved attacks, amid speculation that the deadly spores or the person who sent them might be connected to Fort Detrick.
<snip>

<snip>
Much of the speculation about a Fort Detrick connection has centered on Dr. Stephen J. Hatfill, a former government scientist and bioweapons expert who once worked at the infectious disease institute at Fort Detrick. The FBI has labeled Hatfill a "person of interest" in the case.
<snip>

I know..it's Newsmax!!! Going to check out Hatfill...

EDIT: Exact same story at this link, too.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10200977%255E1702,00.html

Found same story here:
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040720_2345.html
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:47 PM
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10. The suit against Hatfill was dismissed. I don't remember all the details
I did a double check to make sure I was right about the dismissal, Ashcrofts's name was involved somehow.
Maybe someone else can do the fill in.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:53 PM
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12. Yes, according to these article's the case is on hold .. and
Hatfill is suing for damages regarding his reputation. So, now it seems they are on to another suspect.

I just find it interesting that they are searching this guy's house(s) who has links to Specter, Luger, and Nunn. I keep hearing DUers talk about a Rethug conspiracy against Dems. SURELY it can't be THAT easy!
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:01 PM
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14. Link for dismissal regarding Hatfill...
sorry it's FreeRepublic.. tried the Guardian link there, but wouldn't pull up. It appears they had linked to the Guardian for this story...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1107305/posts

Essentially the US government asked for dismissal against the Hatfill case.

<snip>
In his lawsuit filed last August, Hatfill said Attorney General John Ashcroft and others identified him as a person of interest to detract attention from their inability to find the person responsible for sending anthrax-laced envelopes to government and media offices in October 2001. He was the only person identified that way by government officials.
<wnip>

Wow.. states that the agents following him actually ran over his foot while keeping an eye on him! :wow:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:51 PM
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11. Little more interesting information regarding this...
I don't recall hearing anything about this on LBN or anywhere on DU? :shrug:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/custom/attack/bal-te.anthrax21jul21,0,3707134.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

<snip>
The temporary shutdown of much-needed lab space at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases marks a notable return of investigators to the Frederick facility where numerous employees were questioned by the FBI in the early months of the investigation. In recent months, FBI agents have seized medical records and computer hard drives from the institute, causing friction with Fort Detrick officials, according to a source in contact with the Army institute's scientists.

Neither the FBI nor the Army would describe the work being done since the labs were closed Friday. But a law enforcement official and a scientist said it has not produced a major breakthrough in the case.
<snip>

<snip>
Investigators have shut off access to bacteriology labs in the main USAMRIID building and an adjoining building where anthrax research is done or has been done, according to the source. Only caretakers responsible for feeding research animals are being permitted to enter, the source said.
<snip>
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:56 PM
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13. This link shows antrax-related stories appearing this year..
Started in April 4 with *'s bioterror defense plan.

http://www.anthrax.osd.mil/whatsnew/default.asp

AUGUST 2004

# -Enquirer.com
Post office here getting detector for anthrax
JULY 2004

# -ABC News
Detecting Anthrax Attacks Quickly
# -Baltimore Sun
Closing of lab marks renewed intensity in anthrax probe
# -Washington Post
Anthrax Probers Still Seek Md. Leads
# -CNN
Site of first anthrax attack treated
JUNE 2004

# -MSNBC
Military expands smallpox, anthrax shots
# -CNN
Researchers unaware they had live anthrax
# -CNN
Feds approve faster anthrax exposure test
# -Washington Post
U.S. to Order Anthrax Vaccine
APRIL 2004

# -MSNBC
Bush approves new biodefense plan
# -MSNBC
Symptoms linger for anthrax victims

There's another link for the WaP, but I don't register with those sites if someone wants to check and "snip" it.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:09 PM
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15. Okay , well looks like I'm talking to the wall here so will stop with
posts! :hi:
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:05 AM
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16. I was pulled away by visitors. Here is what I think. Preempt is a not
for profit company. Or was a not for profit, it seems difficult to get up to the minute information. If they still are a not for profit they could accept government funding, which might account for the
involvement of Nunn, Lugar Weldon and Specter, all Republicans. They would have gotten a boost from the 2001 incident because more funding for bio terrorism apparently became available after that time. It looks like some of those funds may be diverted in 2004 due to budget constraints? What is interesting is that from what I can see the current information ends around 1999-2000. They must still exist as a company but not a lot of information that I can find. Curious little story.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:51 AM
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17. Only in the wonderful democracy we call home.....
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 12:54 AM by Zan_of_Texas
would a defense company specializing in biological and chemical weapons, including close proximity to the Ames strain of anthrax.....

.......

.......

.......

be involved in national election exit polls for ABC, CNN, CBS, etc.

Unbelievable? Yep. True. Yep. Well, it was true until early 2003.

from the Cooperative Research.net site (some time ago, perhaps updated since then):

November 30, 2001: A report suggests that the strain of anthrax used in the attacks likely originated from USAMRIID and was shared with only a small number of other labs. USAMRIID gave it to Battelle Memorial Institute, in Columbus, Ohio; the University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center, in Albuquerque, New Mexico; the Defense Research Establishment Suffield, in Canada; the US Army Dugway Proving Ground, in Utah; and the Chemical Defense Establishment at Porton Down, Britain. These in turn sent it to seven more labs, for a total of a dozen. But only five labs total received the virulent form, and some of these may have received strains that were too old (it is known the anthrax used was two years old or less http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/23/national/23ANTH.html>>). http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36408-2001Nov29¬Found=true>>

December 13, 2001: The US Army responds to a journalistic investigation and confirms that it has been making weapons grade anthrax in recent years, in violation of an international treaty. The US offensive biological weapons program was supposedly closed in 1969 when the US signed a biological weapons treaty. In 1998 scientists at the Army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah turned small quantities of wet anthrax into powder. This weaponized anthrax appears to be very similar or identical to the anthrax used in the recent attacks. http://www.sunspot.net/bal-te.anthrax13dec13.story>, New York Times, 12/13/01 <../2001/nyt121301.html>>

December 21, 2001 (B): The FBI is now investigating "whether potential profit from the sale of anthrax medications or cleanup efforts may have motivated" the anthrax attacks. Battelle, a company doing anthrax work for the CIA, is the one company most discussed in the article and is strongly featured in another. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A9523-2001Dec20¬Found=true>, ABC, 12/20/01 <../2001/abcnews122001.html>> The same day, the FBI says it is not investigating a former Battelle scientist in relation to an anthrax scare, contrary to national broadcast news reports. A US Senator further claims FBI Director Mueller told him "no one with or formerly with Battelle is a suspect." Is Bayer also under investigation (see October 21, 2001 <timelineafter911.html>)?
January 26, 2002: Salon exposes details about the FBI's anthrax investigation. The FBI appears to be casting a very wide net, for instance approaching all 40,000 members of the American Society of Microbiologists and putting flyers asking for information all over New Jersey. Yet all the evidence suggests that the anthrax strain could only be made in one of two places: USAMRIID in Maryland or US Army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. Meanwhile, the FBI has not yet subpoenaed employee records of the few labs that used the strain of anthrax used in the attacks. Numerous anthrax experts express puzzlement. Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, a biological arms control expert, believes the FBI is dragging its heels for political reasons. She is convinced the FBI knows who mailed the anthrax letters, but isn't arresting him, because he has been involved in secret biological weapons research that the US does not want revealed. "This guy knows too much, and knows things the US isn't very anxious to publicize. Therefore, they don't want to get too close." http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/01/26/assaad/index_np.html?x>>



Okay, so what does this have to do with elections?

Battelle, a private defense contractor in Ohio with strong ties to weapons (the kind we call weapons of mass destruction if we allege other countries have them) and strong ties to the CIA, also had the computer contract to do exit polling around the country in the 2002 election, in conjunction with a murky organization called Voter News Service. The project melted down on election day 2002.


January 13, 2003
Voter News Service: What Went Wrong?
ByLarry Barrett
http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,3959,826676,00.asp

After two humiliating technology failures, six major news services are disbanding VNS, a consortium formed to count votes and conduct Election Day surveys. How could the system have been overhauled before disaster struck twice?

In November 2000, a "perfect storm" of vote-counting miscues and polling problems led the major TV networks repeatedly to change their minds as to whether Al Gore or George Bush was the next president. In November 2002, a second storm whipped through the networks' election broadcasts. Unfinished and mismanaged efforts to update the computer systems used by Voter News Service forced executives at the consortium's owners-ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, NBC and the Associated Press-to abandon the use of exit polling data before it even got all collected. Indeed, by mid-January the failures led to the disbanding of VNS itself. On Jan. 13, the six organizations said only that they were "collectively reviewing a number of strong options'' to avoid another fiasco in the future. Back up to Election Day, Nov. 5. The balance of power in Congress was up for grabs. Yet by 10 a.m., the TV networks confirmed what they had feared for months: They couldn't derive any meaningful exit-polling data from a system they had just spent between $10 million and $15 million to overhaul.

Disasters were almost comical. Many of the more than 30,000 temporary workers collecting exit-poll information were disconnected from VNS' new voice-recognition system before they could finish inputting data over the phone. Some poll workers were unable to access the system at all. Live operators weren't always a help, as the phone system periodically crashed under the crush of callers dialing in. Using computers was not much of an alternative. News organizations and other VNS subscribers were repeatedly instructed to log off their machines, so the new servers running BEA Systems' WebLogic application server could be rebooted. When users finally were able to access the system, they quickly discovered they were being presented with incomplete and inaccurate information. For instance, early exit-polling data indicated that Erskine Bowles was leading Elizabeth Dole in the North Carolina senatorial race. As the day progressed and more exit-poll data was added, that margin grew. However, when the actual votes were tallied, Dole won the election by almost 200,000 votes, a convincing victory. "Everyone could smell this coming months in advance," says Joseph Lenski, co-founder of Edison Media Research, a Somerville, N.J., firm that provided supplemental polling data for CNN. "VNS had been trying to rewrite and retool the system for years. This was just the most recent attempt and it failed miserably." <SNIP> "It was a joke," one political analyst at a major television network told Baseline. "It became obvious to everyone that this wasn't going to work. There wasn't enough testing. There was not enough collaboration between the networks and the IT people. And, worse, there was nothing we could do about it. You can't postpone an election." Network executives quickly concluded they would not use the bulk of the data they were able to collect, particularly the exit-polling information. Projecting winners and losers in various races would take several hours longer than in the past. Also, the networks would be unable to give the type of detailed explanations as to why voters voted the way they did this time around. For example, according to TV network analysts working the election, the networks wouldn't be able to tell viewers why particular demographic groups voted for specific candidates nor the issues that they considered most or least important when voting.

This second debacle meant the end of VNS, as the news organizations said they would look at new ways of tabulating national and state results. Insiders close to VNS say the media organizations will likely rely more on their own individual exit polling and that of the Associated Press exit polling data in future elections. Battelle Memorial Institute, the Columbus, Ohio-based technology firm charged with overhauling the VNS system, was terminated. "There's no way the networks are going to do anything that's connected to Battelle going forward," says one network analyst who spoke on condition of anonymity. "That ship has sailed." <MORE>


If you were going to rig elections, would you want to either tweak the exit polls, or, just vanish them? You would, wouldn't you.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:56 AM
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18. Well that is sure interesting. This story is starting to fascinate me.
Wish I had better search capabilities.
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:40 PM
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21. Battelle is a very large organization, not just Ohio, not just
biologics. It was one place for people in my grad program to go after graduation in Seattle. When I did a study of farm exposures & parkinson's disease, the survey firm I hired to do the recruiting, interviewing, data management and cleaning, was Survey Research Assoc, a division of Battelle. They're a very diverse outfit but the central theme seems to be biomedically related research, both bench science and population research.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 04:46 AM
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20. Not true I was reading everyone of your interesting posts
Keep up the good work.

I just haven't anything to add except an opinion at this point.
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 02:54 AM
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19. Feds Arrest Man in 2001 Anthrax Probe (AP)
The Associated Press


Somebody will have to make a movie on this one. No point in another Warren commission.
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:49 PM
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22. This stuff is deadly....
the building where the first man died (Lantana, Florida) is still not occupied.
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