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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:25 AM
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CNN Breaking: Porter Goss named new CIA chief...
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 06:40 AM by alg0912
AP / Fort Worth Star-Telegram

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WASHINGTON - President Bush has chosen Rep. Porter Goss, head of the House intelligence committee, to be the new director of the CIA, it was learned Tuesday.

A senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Bush planned to announce the selection of Goss later Tuesday during a White House appearance.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:26 AM
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1. i heard that too
:puke:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:28 AM
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2. Dems have already warned he's too political -- nt
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:33 AM
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5. Yep... I Wonder What THIS Is Supposed To Distract Us From ???
And I wonder if Goss still wants it?

:shrug:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:49 AM
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15. Yeah -- what's Bush's big hurry on this? I'm suspicious -- nt
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:02 AM
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23. keep the media busy!
take the attention away from kerry's promising outlook!
oh well, after all, * does have the bully-pulpit.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:11 AM
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24. Republicans don't want him either:
Rep. Goss has no chance of heading CIA: Roberts

http://www.hillnews.com/news/071404/roberts.aspx

Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, yesterday dismissed the chances of Rep. Porter Goss’s (R-Fla.) becoming director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Goss, a former CIA case officer and chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, had been named by senior administration officials as the front-runner for the job vacated by former CIA director George Tenet, who resigned Sunday

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“We do not want a partisan fight right before the election,” Roberts said.

said he was too partisan and not acceptable,” Roberts said. “I don’t think Porter is too partisan or that he is unacceptable, but that doesn’t speak for the other side. Apparently, if you have the vice chairman firmly opposed to the nominee, I don’t think that’s a very good starting point.”

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Bush did that to flaunt it in our face. If Democrats complain, Bush will say we are weak on terror and put politics ahead of the safety of America. I hope Kerry can put a good spin on this one.

Bush is doing everything in his power to divide the parties even more. He is politicizing terror and taking advantage of 9/11. What a scumbag :puke:
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:02 AM
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30. Examining the history of Porter Goss...

... great link here:Prime Suspect of the Largest Mass Murder in U.S. Nominated to Head C.I.A. <http://www.communitycurrency.org/Prime.html>
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 11:41 AM
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41. Gawd, I hope we can start cleaning out all that trash.
The corruption and profiteering are beyond astonishing.

If only "the people" were exposed to a snippet of the facts involving their so-called representatives; perhaps, positive change would be inspired.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 03:24 PM
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46. Great. Just what we didn't need
Rep. Porter Goss said Thursday that the uproar over allegations that White House officials purposely identified a covert CIA agent appears largely political and doesn't yet merit an investigation by the House Select Committee on Intelligence, which he chairs.

Goss, who was a CIA agent himself from the early 1960s to 1971, said he takes such leaks seriously, but he distinguished between a willful violation of federal law and an inadvertent disclosure.
Goss also said no one from the intelligence agencies has raised the issue with him since syndicated columnist Robert Novak identified the agent in a column July 14.

"I would say there's a much larger dose of partisan politics going on right now than there is worry about national security," said Goss, R-Sanibel. "But I would never take lightly a serious allegation backed up by evidence that there was a willful -- and I emphasize willful, inadvertent is something else -- willful disclosure, and I haven't seen any evidence." Goss said he would act if he did have evidence of that sort.Democrats want an independent counsel to investigate whether White House aides told Novak that the wife of a former diplomat, Joseph Wilson, was a covert CIA agent. Wilson has accused the White House of leaking his wife's name to discredit him after he refuted administration claims that Iraq sought uranium from the African nation of Niger, where Wilson was sent to investigate that possibility.

"I am not going to suggest there be any kind of independent counsel until it even rises to the level of coming to our committee's attention, which it hasn't risen to yet," Goss said.

Last modified: October 03. 2003 12:00AM
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2003310030460
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:21 PM
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51. Pssst, Porter
You effin' idiot, you don't GET evidence UNTIL you investigate. It rarely comes in the form of somebody confessing on their own.

AFAIC, this statement alone disqualifies him.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:13 AM
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25. Bush has no fear or Democrats, they gave him Aschroft
Democrats have not proven they are willing to stand up to Bush on much of anything, why would he care what they have to say now?
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:31 AM
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3. That was the Republican nut on F9-11
who gave the wrong information about his contact details or something like that, wasn't it?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:45 AM
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19. He also sang the praises of the Patriot Act in the movie...
MKJ
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:33 AM
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4. Here's a link to Goss's voting record
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:38 AM
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8. Sen Jay Rockefeller has already said that he would oppose Porter Goss.
Picking an unacceptable candidate seems like a ploy to ratchet up the partisan debate right before the November election--let alone that it comes in the middle of the racheted up terrorist warnings.
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:34 AM
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6. It could have been worse
Imagine Dick Cheney as a CIA director...
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:55 AM
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22. why am i laughing out loud!
:crazy: thanks, i needed that!
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:35 AM
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7. More about Goss
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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:40 AM
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9. "Cheney's Cat's Paw"
It seems Cheney is still firmly in command.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:45 AM
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13. That's an absolutely scathing article by 27-year CIA vet, Ray McGovern.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:23 AM
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16. It really is and everyone should read it
eom
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:42 AM
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10. BushCo again makes worst possible choice...
In any given situation with an array of options, you can count on Bu*h to make the worst possible decision.

In this case you have three prinicipal options:

1) Leave the position open until after the election (since it is so close) and let the interim director run it until then... probably the best choice.

2) Choose someone outside the political spectrum. For obvious reasons this would be a wise choice.

3) Choose Porter Goss, a political hack. This again is the worst case scenario... which is what Shrub gravitates to every time. :puke:

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 11:32 AM
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38. It's fairly obvious
The strategy (if one may dignify it with that term) is to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Hope the Dems filibuster the nomination, but doubt they'll risk being seen as standing in the way of BushCo before election.

The irony is that Goss' appointment probly doesn't make any diff, as the 'outing' of Khan by BushCo last week shows exactly where BushCo's true priorities are, i.e., deflate Kerry's Dem Convention balloon, even if it comes at the expense of exposing a deep-cover asset against al Quaea.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:43 AM
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11. Bad idea
The last thing the CIA needs is some political hack at the helm.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:44 AM
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12. This will not fly. I'd bet a whole-wheat doughnut on it.
Goss is just gross, and Mercury just went Retrograde.

Bad timing, Chimpy. As uusual.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:46 AM
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14. Maybe Goss can demand General Ahmed's arrest
General Ahmed of Pakistan's ISI, proven to have sent Atta $100,000 just weeks before 911, was meeting with Goss the same day of the attack. I've always wondered why Goss and many others in Congress didn't demand his arrest and instead allowed him to quietly resign after the FBI confirmed he wired the money.
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librarycard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:41 AM
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18. I'm behind the power curve on this info
can you provide any URLs so I can forward the information to friends/family?

Thanks.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:48 AM
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21. Goss is part of the 9-11 cover-up?
Eight months later on the 18th of May, two days after the "BUSH KNEW" headline hit the tabloids, the Washington Post published an article on Porter Goss, entitled: "A Cloak But No Dagger; An Ex-Spy Says He Seeks Solutions, Not Scapegoats for 9/11". Focusing on his career as a CIA agent, the article largely served to underscore the integrity and commitment of Porter Goss to waging a "war on terrorism". Yet in an isolated paragraph, the article acknowledged the mysterious 9-11 breakfast meeting with ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, while also confirming that "Ahmad :ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban":

"Now the main question facing Goss, as he helps steer a joint House-Senate investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks, is why nobody in the far-flung intelligence bureaucracy -- 13 agencies spending billions of dollars -- paid attention to the enemy among us. Until it was too late.

Goss says he is looking for solutions, not scapegoats. "A lot of nonsense," he calls this week's uproar about a CIA briefing that alerted President Bush, five weeks before Sept. 11, that Osama bin Laden's associates might be planning airline hijackings.

"None of this is news, but it's all part of the finger-pointing," Goss declared yesterday in a rare display of pique. "It's foolishness."

(...) Goss has repeatedly refused to blame an "intelligence failure" for the terror attacks. As a 10-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine operations wing, Goss prefers to praise the agency's "fine work."

(...)

On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 10:42 AM
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36. Additional details on General Mahmood and Porter Goss
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essaysaeed.html

On October 7, 2001, Pakistani President Musharraf fired Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, the head of the ISI. The next day, some newspapers, mostly in India but also in Pakistan, shockingly said he was fired for his role in the 9/11 attacks. For instance, a Pakistani newspaper stated, "Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed has been replaced after the FBI investigators established credible links between him and Umar Sheikh, one of the three militants released in exchange for passengers of the hijacked Indian Airlines plane in 1999... Informed sources said there were enough indications with the US intelligence agencies that it was at Gen. Mahmood's instruction that Sheikh had transferred 100,000 US dollars into the account of Mohammed Atta..." Indian newspapers claimed that Indian intelligence had been instrumental in helping to establish the connection. Yet this explosive story was barely mentioned in the West. In the US, surprisingly, the only mention was in a one short piece in the Wall Street Journal, mentioning that, "The US authorities ... confirm the fact that $100,000 wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the insistence of General Mahmood." Most other Western accounts simply explained Mahmood was fired for being too close to the Taliban.

<snip>

But what many don't know is that on the morning of September 11, Lt. Gen. Mahmood was at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Bob Graham (D) and Representative Porter Goss (R). The meeting was said to have lasted at least until the second plane hit the World Trade Center. Goss is a self-admitted 10-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine operations wing. Goss and Graham were later the heads of the joint House-Senate investigation into the September 11 attacks, and Goss in particular made headlines for saying there was no "smoking gun" indicating that the government had sufficient foreknowledge to prevent the September 11 attacks. Also present at the meeting were Senator John Kyl (R) and the Pakistani ambassador to the US, Maleeha Lodhi (note that all or virtually all of the people in this meeting also met Lt. Gen. Mahmood in Pakistan a few weeks earlier ). Senator Graham later said of the meeting: "We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan," and the New York Times mentioned that bin Laden was specifically being discussed. The fact that these people were meeting at the time of the attacks is a strange coincidence at the very least, not to mention the topic of their conversation!

On September 12 and 13, Lt. Gen. Mahmood met with Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, Senator Joseph Biden, the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Secretary of State Colin Powell. An agreement on Pakistan's collaboration in the new "war on terror" was negotiated between Mahmood and Armitage. All these meetings coordinated Pakistan's response to September 11. Isn't it strange that the terms of Pakistan's commitment to fight al-Qaeda were negotiated with the man who may have given orders to send $100,000 to the September 11 hijackers?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 03:44 AM
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55. Goss is a 911 accessory
...plain and simple. The agency man responsible for agency oversight directly involved with a 911 operator, then facilitates the coverup.
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librarycard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:40 AM
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17. Thanks for the login
great idea
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:46 AM
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20. Afterall, he's done such a stellar job as head of the house intelligence
committee. Is his middle-name whitewash?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:19 PM
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48. Someone else had something on a whitewash also
Bush nominates Rep. Goss to lead CIA




The Associated Press
Updated: 2:23 p.m. ET Aug. 10, 2004

WASHINGTON - President Bush on Tuesday nominated Florida Repubican Rep. Porter Goss to head the embattled CIA, saying the former agency operative “knows the CIA inside and out.”

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“He is well prepared for this mission,” the president said of Goss, chairman of the House intelligence committee. “He’s the right man to lead and support the agency at this critical moment in our nation’s history.”
(snip)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5658900/
http://www.antiwar.com/

related links
THE WHITEWASH CONSPIRACY
SENATE AND HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES SET TO PROBE 9/11 INFESTED WITH CFR, BILDERBERG, TRILATERAL, FREEMASON, SKULL AND BONES AND CARLYLE GROUP INTERESTS
http://www.freeworldalliance.com/newsflash/2002/02newsflash0880.htm

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Porter_J._Goss

(I saw no picture and this from my dupe post)
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:20 AM
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26. Let him be CIA hack..
Before you start throwing tomatoes at me..... Here's why...

One less Repuke in the house.....

Does anyone know if Goss has a challenger for November? Perhaps a Dem?


This brings us one step closer into a Democratic majority.

Of course, Kerry can fire him once he is elected and replace Goss with someone far more decent.

Hawkeye-X
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:28 PM
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61. Goss was retiring after this term, and Jeb chooses his interim replacement
Let's see...Jeb will send another Repuke to DC, perhaps the challenger for this seat, to hold down the fort until January. (Florida DUers: how's this race shaping up? Is the Dem looking decent?)

Making Goss DCI, a position you hold until you either retire, get fired, quit or die in place, locks him into government service for the long haul.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:35 AM
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27. and, in a related move, Bush has nominated David Duke to head the EEOC...
Chickens, meet Fox, your new guard.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:47 AM
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28. Does this confirm W and Goss know for certain W will win in November,
otherwise, why would Goss be willing give up a possibly lifetime job for a job of just a few months?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:55 AM
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29. Good question. n/t
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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:55 AM
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35. what do you mean?
Could Kerry fire the director of the CIA?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 11:32 AM
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39. Yup
Director serves at the pleasure of the President.

Sid
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:03 AM
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31. Too partisan by half.
Not a good appointment. I've already phoned one of my senators to complain about this. I hope my fellow DUers do the same, if they have such representation...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:08 AM
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32. Porter Goss has many connections with the terror network-especially ISI
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:09 AM
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33. Funny, the minute I saw this announced
I googled his name to find out how bad he was.

And he's bad. Big surprise.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:28 AM
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34. Interesting. I was expecting a Supreme Court justice to step down.
Over a year ago, I had decided that Bush would like nothing better than a full-blown, nasty, bitter election-year confirmation war in the Senate over replacing a Rehnquist or an O'Connor on the Supreme Court. It would take the focus away from his massive failures in leadership in foreign affairs, the war in Iraq, and the economy, and give Rove yet another opportunity to paint the Democrats as liberal commies who hate America.

Well, I was half-right. Bush has set the stage for an all-out confirmation war, but it's not going to be a Supreme Court justice he's replacing.

It's a win-win gambit. If the Democrats don't fight, Bush installs a right-wing shill at the head of the CIA. If the Democrats DO fight, then the RW hate machine can go to town on how the Democrats are weak on national security.

I hope our party leadership and Kerry's people are coordinating their response CAREFULLY. If done right, we could make this about "Bush, the divisive partisan who plays politics with national security."

WE ALL HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THIS ONE, FOLKS.

-MR
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 11:08 AM
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37. What I think is really going on -- a major coverup/power move
I believe the key to the Porter Goss nomination is the fact that he was meeting on the morning of 9/11 with General Mahmood Ahmed -- the director of Pakistan's ISI, who was shortly thereafter revealed to have been channeling funding to Mohammed Atta.

I've been becoming more and more convinced that Pakistan lies at the heart of the biggest and nastiest secrets of the Bush administration -- and that Porter Goss is being placed in the CIA director spot precisely with the assignment of covering it all up.

I've written a lot about this in various posts over the last month, and I'm not going to repeat it all here. The short version is that 25 years ago Pakistan became the base for what was then the largest CIA operation in the world, created to support the Afghan resistance against the Soviets. As part of this operation, Afghanistan and Pakistan were turned into the major source of the world's heroin, with the drug-running profits being laundered through BCCI.

Ever since then, the Pakistani government has been complicit in some truly appalling activities -- from supporting the Taliban and al-Qaeda to engaging in nuclear development and proliferation (originally with BCCI funding) -- all with the apparent acquiescence of the US. At the same time, the CIA (and CIA-related figures like Richard Armitage) have been heavily entangled with Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI.

It isn't clear to me what the precise basis of this corrupt relationship might be -- the obscene amounts of money coming out of the heroin trade? Old dirty secrets used for blackmail that then leads to new dirty secrets? But at least in my more tinfoil-y moments, I am convinced that a whole spectrum of otherwise inexplicable actions on the part of the Bush administration, such as the outing of Valerie Plame and the gagging of Sibyl Edmonds, have been undertaken to prevent this corrupt relationship from being brought to light. Even the invasion of Iraq may have been designed in part to shift the focus away from the far more genuine role of Pakistan in 911.

If that's true, the logical conclusion is that a large part of this battle is being fought out within the CIA itself -- a battle, to put it in the starkest terms, between the patriots who believe in protecting America and the traitors who see the CIA as some combination of a private cash cow and a personal army. And in that light, the nomination of Porter Goss appears as a calculated move to put the fox firmly in control of the henhouse.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 11:32 AM
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40. At the end of the "Cold War" ...
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 11:33 AM by TahitiNut
... the resources of the CIA were explicitly shifted from the defunct Soviet Union to "economic interests," specifically global corporatism. That was under Poppy Bush, former Director of the CIA. That's when they got in bed with al-Qaeda, Pakistan, various "command regimes," and other global financial and petrochemical exploitation interests. The CIA was apparently deliberately uninterested in ameliorating regional political strife and, instead, derived strategies to take economic advantage of such unrest.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 01:50 PM
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44. BFEE Turd Porter Goss would let Smirk hear what Smirk wants to hear
Cheney Cat's Paw, Porter Goss, as CIA Director?

By Ray McGovern
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Saturday 03 July 2004

There is, thankfully, a remnant of CIA professionals who still put objective analysis above political correctness and career advancement. Just when they thought there were no indignities left for them to suffer, they are shuddering again at press reports that Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) may soon be their new boss.

That possibility conjures up a painful flashback for those of us who served as CIA analysts when Richard Nixon was president. Chalk it up to our naiveté, but we were taken aback when swashbuckling James Schlesinger, who followed Richard Helms as CIA director, announced on arrival, "I am here to see that you guys don't screw Richard Nixon!" To underscore his point, Schlesinger told us he would be reporting directly to White House political adviser Bob Haldeman (Nixon's Karl Rove) and not to National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger.

No doubt Goss would be more discreet in showing his hand, but his appointment as director would be the ultimate in politicization. He has long shown himself to be under the spell of Vice President Dick Cheney, and would likely report primarily to him and to White House political adviser Karl Rove rather than to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

Goss would almost certainly follow lame-duck director George Tenet's practice of reading to the president in the morning and become an integral part of the "White House team." The team-membership phenomenon is particularly disquieting.

If the failure-prone experience of the past few years has told us anything, it is that being a "team member" in good standing is the kiss of death for the CIA director's primary role of "telling it like it is" to the president and his senior advisers. It was a painful moment of truth when former Speaker Newt Gingrich - like Cheney, a frequent visitor to CIA headquarters - told the press that Tenet was "so grateful to the president that he would do anything for him."

CONTINUED...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_070304A.shtml
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 04:07 AM
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56. And what better way to fund corporate imperialism than heroin?
They don't call him "Poppy" for nothing!

Goss is really bad news.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 12:41 PM
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42. Former CIA director says-
"This is the worst appointment that's ever been made to the office of director of central intelligence because that's an office that needs to be kept above partisan politics." -- Retired Adm., Stansfield Turner, director of the CIA in the Carter administration.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-goss-quote-box,0,120037.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

more responses:
* "He's a fine man and the fact that he's a Republican congressman doesn't bother me. I would find it very hard to support any nominee who did not endorse the 9/11 commission recommendations on intelligence... The focal point of this nomination is not who he is, but these recommendations." -- Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.
...
* "I'm disappointed by the president's choice of Congressman Goss to be the new Director of Central Intelligence. Given the critical need for major reforms to improve both the development and use of intelligence, this position should be filled by a nonpartisan individual of unquestioned independence. I have serious concerns about whether Congressman Goss meets that standard, especially given the appearance of partisanship. However, as with all nominations, I will withhold final judgment pending confirmation hearings."_ Sen. Jon Corzine, D-N.J.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 01:03 PM
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43. This is to change channels from the leaks
All the Pakistan stuff:

*** exposing their covert op with the Brits, Condi admitting she/they leaked the name (Khan)

*** the bogus Albany entrapment thing, where they came up with a plot to kill the Pakistani UN ambassador via missile, now officially protested by Pakistan

*** the orange alert and political use of terror in general, a discussion that was getting real legs finally.

And also the Plame matter back in the spotlight as of yesterday.

The same press people who would be covering all of that, and the same air time that it takes to discuss all of that, is now eaten up by Goss.

Is it a serious nomination? I thought I heard it was be impossible to get anybody confirmed before the election. Unless something goes haywire and you slip him through like the PATRIOT Act.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:02 PM
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54. Yea, this guy is real serious
He has the temperament of bunnypants

SoCalDem has a report:

Porter Goss HID behind his door.. (from the 9-11 Moms)

The Mom Cell

The four moms--Kristen Breitweiser, Patty Casazza, Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken--use tactics more like those of a leaderless cell. They have learned how to deposit their assorted seven children with select grandmothers before dawn and rocket down the Garden State Parkway to Washington. They have become experts at changing out of pedal-pushers and into proper pantsuits while their S.U.V. is stopped in traffic, so they can hit the Capitol rotunda running. They have talked strategy with Senator John McCain and Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle. They once caught Congressman Porter Goss hiding behind his office door to avoid them. And they maintain an open line of communication with the White House.
(snip)
from
Dadcom Weighs In On Porter Goss (And A Heartfelt Request)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2191473
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 02:38 PM
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45. Will Dems have the balls to oppose this fucking jerk??
THEY BETTER!!!
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 03:47 PM
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47. Porter Goss' history of political donations
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:27 PM
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49. MUST READ ARTICLE!!!
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=485

Goss was meeting with Mohammed Atta's ISI bagman as the towers were coming down on 9/11!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:30 PM
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53. He sounds like the perfect guy for ensuring that the TRIFECTA keeps paying
out :argh:

Update (08/10): Times of India reports again about the Goss-ISI 9/11 breakfast meeting

Update (08/10) : "This is the worst appointment that's ever been made to the office of director of central intelligence because that's an office that needs to be kept above partisan politics." -- Retired Adm., Stansfield Turner, director of the CIA in the Carter administration. (More Criticism)

Update (08/10) : Bush Set to Nominate Porter Goss as CIA Chief
See also Cheney Cat's Paw -By Ray McGovern (03 July 2004 )

Update (07/03): White House Nominee to Head the CIA
has Dubious Links to the Terror Network (GlobalResearch)

During the Sep11th week, it was Porter Goss, together with Bob Graham, who met with the head of Pakistan Secret Service, ISI, who was already in the U.S. before the attacks. The reason for this meeting was never disclosed.
The story never became political issue in U.S. Media

...

On the morning of September 11, Pakistan's Chief Spy General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "money-man" behind the 9-11 hijackers, was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees.

more...
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=485

peace
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:10 PM
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50. ...true to form shrub, pick a right wing hack!
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:28 PM
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52. Can Kerry fire him?
On Jan 20th?
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rullery Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 06:49 AM
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57. Porter Goss is my Congressman!
I live in Fort Myers, Florida, his district. Reading the posts on this thread, it is amazing how partisan we can let ourselves become. I find myself in the unexpected position of having to defend a Republican, against such unfair attacks.

Goss is a dedicated Republican, true, and therefore carries some baggage that I find distasteful as a Democrat. But he is a decent man, an expert in intelligence matters, and highly qualified to be the next Director of Central Intelligence. Even such a partisan as Sen. Schummer (D, NY) acknowledges that Goss is a man of integrity. Both of our Democratic senators, Graham and Nelson, have announced that they will vote to confirm him.

In fact Goss is so popular here that the Democrats did not bother to run a candidate against him in 2002. As it happens, he is retiring from the Congress and is not running for re-election this year. Therefore I will be supporting the Democratic candidate for his seat. Make no mistake, I am as dedicated to kicking Bush and Co. out of the White House as any of you, my fellow Democrats. But let us be fair, and not resort to the low smear tactics of the Repugs.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:49 PM
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60. Horse hockey! "9/11 NOT an intelligence failure," says Goss
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 01:50 PM by tom_paine
AFTER all those warnings from all those foreign intelligence agencies and Aug 6th "Bin Laden determined to attack inside Unitsed States"?

The Plame Outing is "purely political"?

Low smear tactics to point out that he is an ultra-partisan swine and Bushevik Loyalist of the highest magnitude, therefore WRONG for the position (let alone all the shit he has said).

What is your justification for believing a former CIA thug during the most awful of abuses is a "decent man"?

It is NOT smear to point out he is the wrong man for the job due to the positions he's taken and the things he's said.

It IS a smear to assert that he is probably a corrup
But I will STILL say it as I would have if I had a chance to comment on the Heydrich Appointment in 1932.

Woul it have been a smear tactic to say so about that "decent man" Heydrich?

Oh, that's right, all of Heydrich's action have been exposed by history, Goss's remain in the Fatherland's Files.

Nauseating.

:puke:
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 10:34 AM
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58. Who's in charge
Tenet, Krongard Alter CIA Power Structure

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25386-2001Apr30?language=printer

By Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 1, 2001; Page A21

"I am a firm believer that all of us joined the CIA because we are
committed to the agency's mission," Krongard told agency employees,
"not because we want to be part of some government bureaucracy."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html

Who appointed Krongard Executive Director in 2001 :eyes:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/information/krongard.htm



Since the Sept. 11 attacks, Krongard has traveled to Afghanistan, hiding
his facial features behind a beard. After the war in Iraq broke out in
March, he went to Baghdad to see firsthand how events were unfolding.
While inside a palace that belonged to the deposed Saddam Hussein,
Krongard had a snapshot taken of him sitting on a palace throne.

Who's in charge :think:



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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:42 PM
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59. Porter Goss, "I am not qualified!"
From MicahaelMoore.com:

August 10th, 2004 4:12 pm
'Fahrenheit 9/11' Interview of CIA Nominee Porter Goss: "I am not qualified."

Is this really the guy who should be running the CIA?

On Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, George W. Bush nominated Florida Rep. Porter Goss to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

Rep. Porter Goss, appeared briefly in Michael Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' But part of his March 3, 2004 interview for the movie, which did not make it into the film, has suddenly taken on major significance. The following is an excerpt from the interview:


INTERVIEWER: ou come from intelligence. This is what you did, this is what you know.


REP. GOSS: Uh, that was, uh, 35 years ago.


INTERVIEWER: Okay.


REP. GOSS: It is true I was in CIA from approximately the late 50's to approximately the early 70's. And it's true I was a case officer, clandestine services office and yes I do understand the core mission of the business. I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified. I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably. And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day, "Dad you got to get better on your computer." Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have.
-- Rep. Porter Goss, March 3, 2004, Washington, DC

These statements directly contradict President Bush's comments on Mr. Goss. Pointing to his CIA experience, Bush said, "He knows the CIA inside and out" and "He's the right man to lead this important agency at this critical moment in our nation's history."


You can check this out for yourself at:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=128

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