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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:25 AM Original message |
Muslim: Fired over beard |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. I can't tell from the article |
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T_i_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. That's cos' it's the Sun |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. well, that's the catch-all reason companies use to justify |
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dedhed (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. Not enough info... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. What the hell |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Only a "chin" |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. It becomes a completely different issue |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Do i have to recognize it as a religious symbol? |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. This isn't about what you respect or recognize, |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 09:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. If i own the company, and i say no beards. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 09:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Right. You can't just say "no beards because I don't like |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I believe we were talking about beards, not skin color. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. A Sihk could no more shave his beard than a person can |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Interesting |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:13 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. But discriminating against his religion does "seem right" to you? |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Sorry, i never said that. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Shaving off his beard would be like spitting on the cross |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. It's a damn dress code that has nothing to do with religion. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
52. It has nothing to do with your religion, but that |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:55 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Can't see what's not there |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. See post #55 for a link to the UK law |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
67. However, this is a case where |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
58. Tha article states the guy is a Muslim |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I suppose since some of the offices where I work still have "dress codes" |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. having a beard would be detrimental to performing one's duties |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. It doesn't matter what you or I think, it's a private company. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I agree |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Well dang! It seems we actually do have some common ground... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Now thats just scary. |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. LOL! Stranger things have happened. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. So if a private bus company says blacks aren't alowed |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. If it's a private company then it's none of my business who they allow. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
53. You missed my point and then made my point. |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
83. Jesus christ |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Then why the no-beard policy? |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I believe it's just appearance sake. |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. A private comapany certainly CAN dictate how you dress. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Even if it descriminates against a person's freedom of religion? |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Private companies don't have to respect your religion. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Or ignore the antiquated policy entirely.... |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. You have the right to ignore their policies. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Just as people had the right to ignore Texas' anti-sodomy laws |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Apples and Oranges. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. And private companies discriminate, and they can be sued. |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I'm very socially liberal... |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:46 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. So, in Florida I can be fired from ANY employer simply because I'm gay... |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I don't agree with the policy... |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. If a private company doesn't want gays working for it then that's ... |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You can choose to make it your business by letting them know how you feel. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Um... yes you CAN force them... through better laws that protect us all. |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Better laws? |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I surely don't like them telling me either... |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Employees and pollution are two entirely different problems. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. WOW! That's some limited idea of anti-discrimination laws |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. "So, if I'm fired because I'm... " |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Good... then it's clear we disagree... |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
95. Your rights do not supersede the rights of anyone else. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. You really don't understand, do you? The reason we have laws that |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Bull shit |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. It's the price they pay |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. If you knowingly go to work for a private company |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Yep, that 'bout sums it up nicely. n/t |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:11 AM Response to Reply #47 |
65. My company doesn't have a policy to NOT discriminate against gays |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Its simply a policy about beards. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. And you don't understand analogies and comparisons. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:38 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Whether you like it or not, discrimination exists. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I'm not saying that the no beard policy is religious discrimination... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Actually i think the biggest mistake was hiring him in the first place |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. "The US military has a no beard policy." |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Did you notice the soldier who ended up in Jordan |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. Not only beardless, but no mustache either, and very strict haircut rules. |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Oh christ |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. you are using military rules to justify civilian policy? |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
87. Civil rights act of 1964 |
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Barret (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
84. Bull shit |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
5. Unless they could prove a four inch beard were a safety hazard |
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Spentastic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
9. It depends |
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kamtsa (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
14. No woman, even Muslim, should allow to come to work with a beard, period!. |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
20. If "no beards" is a company policy then there is no discrimination. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. So if it is company policy for every employee |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. You are correct. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. It's a silly argument, ain't it? The only answer you'll get |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Even sillier when you consider it's the UK and not the U.S. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. It is interesting, is it not, seeing all of the |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I hadn't detected a particularly religious tone to the argument.... |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:53 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Last week there was a thread regarding a woman fired for eating a BLT |
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Bowline (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 11:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. They'll get over it. |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
91. Yep, |
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Spentastic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. That's bollocks |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
60. The man's job performance is relevant |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
55. That would be indirect discrimination, according to the law in the UK |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
49. If he was involved with food... then I agree with Virgin |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
74. Firstly, I doubt |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
93. Opinions of the four schools of thought. |
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Ducks In A Row (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
88. Ross Perot's rules for his company forbid facial hair period |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
92. Well... |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-04 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
97. what comes next? what retaliation will come next to what person? WHAT |
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