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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 02:18 AM
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Britain to continue handing over prisoners, despite death penalty
Britain to continue handing over prisoners, despite death penalty

11.08.2004
4.00pm - By DONALD MACINTYRE

BAGHDAD - Prisoners taken by British forces will be liable for execution by the Iraqi authorities despite the British government's declaration that it opposed the decision by the interim government in Baghdad to restore the death penalty.

Britain's decision to continue handing over detained insurgents and others charged with capital crimes became clear yesterday after the Danish military suspended the routine handover of their prisoners to UK forces for fear they could be executed.

The Danish Defence Ministry disclosed that its 500-strong forces in Basra and the nearby southern town of Qurnah, had stopped handing over its prisoners to UK forces who maintain the dominant military role in the area. They have hitherto been required to release them or hand them over to Britain after 24 hours.

Denmark, which like the UK opposes the death penalty, says they were offered a "loose" agreement under which they would be consulted before any of their detainees were handed over to Iraqi forces, and were not prepared to hand the detainees over unless that was hardened into a firm pledge that such prisoners would not be executed.

But the British Ministry of Defence said yesterday that British forces had apprehended suspects of a criminal offence in Iraq in support of the Iraqi authorities and added: "there will be situations in which we have no choice but to hand over detainees to the Iraqi criminal justice system."

More: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3583665&thesection=news&thesubsection=world

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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 06:42 AM
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1. Any European Union experts here know...
...how this jibes with official EU policy regarding the death penalty? This would sound like a violation of that policy.

Meanwhile, of course, Britain has still not handed over Rashid Ramda for his part in the 1995 bombings in the Paris metro that killed dozens and injured over 200, because the British High Court is worried about Ramda's "safety."

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The Algerian conflict was an ideal seedbed for Islamic terrorism. Like Afghanistan, the country was left to its civil war; as in Afghanistan, the result was an ultra-violent perversion of Islam, reinforced by poverty, international isolation and a culture of endemic violence. As with Afghanistan, the Algerian carnage was widely ignored by the West — until it arrived there.

The Algerian Army claimed to have killed 15,000 Islamists, but terror thrived: young zealots from Algeria trained in Afghanistan and alongside Chechen militants in Georgia. The radicals moved from slaughtering Algerian peasants to attacking foreign targets, first within Algeria, then in France, most dramatically with the bombing campaign on the Paris Métro that erupted in 1995. The hardline Armed Islamic Group, or GIA, fractured into smaller groups, notably the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat, believed to be linked to al-Qaeda.

France launched a crackdown, and President Bouteflika of Algeria offered an amnesty; some armed militants gave up the fight, but others took it with them, to Afghanistan, to Chechnya and, inevitably, to Britain.

When the French authorities cautioned that Britain was becoming a magnet for a terror diaspora, the response was more a shrug than a shudder. But the arrests in London and Manchester, and the murder of a policeman, have finally woken Britain to the Algerian terror laboratory that has been churning out militants for a decade.

The contrast between the two countries is stark. In France, under direct attack, the inquisitorial judicial system went after the terrorists, but we preferred merely to “monitor” suspected militants. European diplomats grimly referred to “Londonistan”, pointing to our liberal asylum laws and tolerance of extremist propaganda in British mosques. As many as 40,000 Algerians may have arrived here over the past decade, but officials rechecking asylum applications say they have so far been able to trace only a fraction.

French fury at what they see as lunatic leniency on Britain’s part has focused on the case of Rashid Ramda, an Algerian granted asylum in Britain in 1992 and accused by France of masterminding the bombing campaign on the Métro. For nearly eight years the Home Office has refused to extradite Ramda; only after 9/11 did David Blunkett finally sign the extradition, which was then overturned by the High Court pending an evaluation of whether the suspect’s safety could be assured if he was handed over to France.

The French, signatories to the same human rights conventions as Britain, are understandably livid, seeing the Ramda case as symptomatic of a failure to appreciate and act on the Algerian threat. Frustrated by Britain’s policy of “watchful tolerance”, French secret service agents are now said to be conducting their own surveillance of the Algerian community in Britain.
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http://www.obv.org.uk/reports/2003/rpt20030118a.htm
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:52 AM
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Voice_of_Europe Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:58 AM
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4. Official EU policy?

Not sure if there is an official EU policy...
Remember that Europe still consists of many indipendent countries and the EU is just a bit more than a free-trade organisation.

But still most every countrie has a policy of its own not to hand extradite prisoners to a country with death penalty.

I wonder if "extradite" is the right word here since they are in Iraq anyawy.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:29 AM
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3. Reimposition of death penalty is a step backwards (Amnesty International)
Iraq: Reimposition of death penalty is a step backwards

Press release, 08/09/2004

Amnesty International deplores the decision of the Interim Government of Iraq to reimpose the death penalty and believes that it will do nothing to restore security for the people of Iraq.

"The death penalty is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment. It violates the right to life. It is irrevocable and can be inflicted on the innocent," Amnesty International said.

Government officials announced on Sunday that capital punishment would be reinstated for a range of crimes including, murder, drug trafficking and endangering national security.

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"If the Interim Government of Iraq resumes executions, it will be moving sharply against the global trend towards the abolition of death penalty. Over half the countries in the world have now abolished it in law or practice. In the past decade, more than three countries a year on average have abolished it for all crimes," Amnesty International said.

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGMDE140432004

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