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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:37 AM
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Dollar falls broadly on record US trade deficit
Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 09:40 AM by AP
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/040813/markets_forex_trade_1.html
Friday August 13, 8:41 am ET

NEW YORK, Aug 13 (Reuters) - The dollar slumped across the board on Friday after a record U.S. trade deficit for June.

The euro (EUR=) rose to $1.2294 from $1.2220 shortly prior to the report. Against the yen (JPY=), the dollar pared gains to 111.03 yen from 111.70 yen shortly prior to the report.
...

The U.S. trade deficit came in much wider than expected in June, hitting a record $55.8 billion as the biggest drop in exports in nearly three years combined with record imports. Markets were expecting a trade gap of $47 billion in June.


This is just a couple of days after the Fed rate hike. Almost all the ground the dollar gained from the rate hike, it lost from this data.

It looks like currency traders are betting against the idea that the US economy is recovering.

Also, it's interesting that US exports are weak despite the fact that that the dollar has been pretty weak for the last 4 or 5 months. It doesn't look like there's a big demand for US goods, regardless of where they're priced. It suggests that the problem might not be price, but simply the fact that the US doesn't manufacture very much anymore. The tax code helps US Co's who manufacture abroad, and it looks like they're taking advantage of the breaks.

Consequently, nobody needs dollars to buy goods now. They might need dollars to buy US stocks and bonds, but it doesn't look like they're so interested in doing that either.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:39 AM
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1. Wow, two Fridays in a row, calamitous econo news for Bush
from Bloomberg"

``This poses some significant worries for the economic outlook,'' said Joseph Abate, a senior economist at Lehman Brothers Inc. in New York. ``Even if the trade balance improves to the low $50 billion range, it will remain a drag on growth of significant proportions as it suggests that demand is being met from foreign rather than domestic production and employment.''

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=avSFG.1GB6Lw&refer=home

Wharton's Jeremy J. Siegel seemed to have been stunned by the number in his weekly dispatch to subscribers.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:47 AM
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2. "stunned". Everybody is "stunned" when bad policy plays out
These people seem to have forgotten that consequences follow actions. Countries have credit-ratings just like individuals. What do they imagine the consequences are, for runaway deficit spending?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:49 AM
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3. Oh stop...Bush knows what he's doing!
He's destroying the middle class of course.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:04 AM
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4. Doomed
The US can manipulate everything but crude.

$45.75/bbl crude.

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/russell/russell081204.html
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 11:25 AM
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5. It DOES Matter If they Hate us and Fear Us, Mr. Bush*!
Because then they won't BUY OUR STUFF, you idiot!!!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 11:46 AM
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6. We don't make anything for them to buy. We have to borrow rupees to
pay for the goods American companies are making in India now.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:12 PM
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7. i wonder if it will go any good to start singing this as a talking point
will the average American understand it?

:cry:
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:43 PM
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9. Here's how I teach it in high school:
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 03:44 PM by mbperrin
Anything which becomes less valuable in people's minds suffers a drop in value. For instance, "Tickle Me Elmo" was so hot at Christmas a few years ago that I had to pay $300 for one for my granddaughter (YOU tell a 5 year old No. I can't.) Well, it's still the same toy, but is way cheaper. Its hot moment is over.

Works the same way with money itself. In the past, people overseas desired dollars, because they wished to save or spend in this country, and we only take dollars.

But when government debt rises to where people become worried about repayment, and when items for sale no longer seem as good, or when the items for sale disappear, those people get rid of their dollars and buy another currency that looks better as a place to save and spend.

When the dollars are gotten rid of, the price must fall, because their value is lower to their owners. This means that when we ourselves want to buy things that are no longer made in this country, that our dollars buy less, or it takes more dollars to get the same stuff. Hence, the trade imbalance grows. Ironically, the more the imbalance grows, the more the perception of the dollar as a bad thing increases, leading the price to fall even more, and the trade deficit to increase even more.

That's brief, but I think fairly clear. I teach 18 year olds.

(edit for spelling)
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:05 PM
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10. A lot of things could be attached to that explanation
Supply and demand works well on finite things, but as for innovation, the US is starting to lose the edge badly. The proverbial golden goose is being stifled with corporate greed and fascist or theocratic dogmas. Nobody has smashed anybodies will yet, so there is hope.

I would have never of dropped out of high school if I thought more than one or two teachers had clue of what was going on.

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

A gainfully employed 45 year old truck mechanic
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V Lee Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:24 PM
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8. Less desire for US goods
Re: "It doesn't look like there's a big demand for US goods, regardless of where they're priced. It suggests that the problem might not be price, but simply the fact that the US doesn't manufacture very much anymore."

With all the anti-American sentiment that the Bush administration has generated around the world, it is any wonder that few people outside the US want to buy US products?

No one seems to be talking about this but it will have a very real effect on our exports and trade deficit for years to come. I'd like to see a study to put a dollar estimate on it. Maybe international consumer focus groups on what "Made in USA" meant to them a few years ago vs. what it means now, and what impact it will have on their buying decisions.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 09:50 PM
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11. It's um another uh economic miracle! eom
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 10:08 PM
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12. Friend couldn't spend U.S. $ in Scandinavia.
Norway, Denmark, and Finland would not accept U.S. dollars. She just returned yesterday.
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 10:18 PM
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13. Huh?
FYI here in Finland we accept euro's. You friend should have taken his/her dollars to some forex service or bank to change them into euros, and not try to offer dollars at shops. ;)

Norway and Denmark are even wierder than Finland. :D
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JimHarper3 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:28 PM
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14. And the bad news keeps coming
Trade deficit hitting a record $55.8 billion as the biggest drop in exports in nearly three years...
First net job loss since Herbert Hoover's adminstration...
Largest US budget deficit ever...
Enron, Global Crossing....

Any American who votes for this guy has to have their head in a bucket.

Many of them still seem to.

It is up to you and I to get their heads out of that bucket before November 2...and make sure they get to the voting booth.
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