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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:02 AM
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F.B.I. Goes Knocking for Political Troublemakers
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 12:07 AM by Oreegone
August 16, 2004
By ERIC LICHTBLAU

ASHINGTON, Aug. 15 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been questioning political demonstrators across the country, and in rare cases even subpoenaing them, in an aggressive effort to forestall what officials say could be violent and disruptive protests at the Republican National Convention in New York.

F.B.I. officials are urging agents to canvass their communities for information about planned disruptions aimed at the convention and other coming political events, and they say they have developed a list of people who they think may have information about possible violence. They say the inquiries, which began last month before the Democratic convention in Boston, are focused solely on possible crimes, not on dissent, at major political events.

But some people contacted by the F.B.I. say they are mystified by the bureau's interest and felt harassed by questions about their political plans.

"The message I took from it," said Sarah Bardwell, 21, an intern at a Denver antiwar group who was visited by six investigators a few weeks ago, "was that they were trying to intimidate us into not going to any protests and to let us know that, 'hey, we're watching you.' ''

The unusual initiative comes after the Justice Department, in a previously undisclosed legal opinion, gave its blessing to controversial tactics used last year by the F.B.I in urging local police departments to report suspicious activity at political and antiwar demonstrations to counterterrorism squads. The F.B.I. bulletins that relayed the request for help detailed tactics used by demonstrators - everything from violent resistance to Internet fund-raising and recruitment.

In an internal complaint, an F.B.I. employee charged that the bulletins improperly blurred the line between lawfully protected speech and illegal activity. But the Justice Department's Office of Legal Policy, in a five-page internal analysis obtained by The New York Times, disagreed.

The office, which also made headlines in June in an opinion - since disavowed - that authorized the use of torture against terrorism suspects in some circumstances, said any First Amendment impact posed by the F.B.I.'s monitoring of the political protests was negligible and constitutional.

The opinion said: "Given the limited nature of such public monitoring, any possible 'chilling' effect caused by the bulletins would be quite minimal and substantially outweighed by the public interest in maintaining safety and order during large-scale demonstrations."

Those same concerns are now central to the vigorous efforts by the F.B.I. to identify possible disruptions by anarchists, violent demonstrators and others at the Republican National Convention, which begins Aug. 30 and is expected to draw hundreds of thousands of protesters.

Read more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/16/politics/campaign/16fbi.html?pagewanted=print&position=
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:05 AM
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1. Oh the FBI can be such Party Poopers...
and I bet they are reading this right now! :hippie:
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:09 AM
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2. There's something happening here
Artist: Buffalo Springfield Lyrics
Song: For What It's Worth Lyrics

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:13 AM
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4. I love this song!
I loved the Buffalo Springfield as well. I listened to the album I had with this song over and over and over again when I was 14 years old. I still listen to it, but on CD now. :hippie:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:10 AM
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3. This is exactly What Michael Moore pointed out in his movie
FBI lets Arabians leave this country on 9/13 without any interviews

but Peace Protestors watchout

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:16 AM
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5. I wonder how many brown shirts were "spoken" to. prior to the
Democratic National Convention?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:39 AM
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9. None. Supporter of the Emperor cannot be Enemies of the State
Simple Totalitarian Math.

A Bushevik can have as much in his home as McVeigh, as recently happened several times, and they won't get an SS visit.

Orwellian Double Standards.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 02:59 AM
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xXx Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 03:08 AM
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8. I second that
F**k the FBI!

Amen to that. I would say add the whole Dept Of Fatherland Security.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 03:03 AM
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7. Well, people are fearful of the FBI as the following account illustrates
A large number of Iowa families have sons or daughters mobilized for the Iraq war, and some soldiers’ relatives initially expressed reservations about backing a petition for a candidate opposed to the war. But in most cases, when the SEP’s analysis of the war was explained, including our call for immediate withdrawal of all US and other foreign troops, they agreed to sign.

In one incident, the mother of a soldier refused to sign while her adult daughter, who was shopping with her, insisted on adding her signature to the petition. The mother warned her daughter, “Don’t you know that the FBI is going to go through every name on that petition! They’ll see your name on it and they will connect you to my son!” The SEP petitioners explained that this concern, while understandable, was itself an indictment of the US political system, where any alternative to the two established bourgeois parties is treated as subversive.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/aug2004/sep-a16.shtml
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 05:26 AM
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10. Chilling effect.
This unsubtle form of prior restraint should come as no surprise.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:14 AM
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11. Oreegone
Per our copyright rules, please use only four paragraphs
from an article. For more information, check the rules pinned at the top of this forum.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:39 AM
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12. "Focused solely on possible crime, not on dissent"; I have a refrigerator
for sale to any Eskimo in need (liar, liar, pants on fire).
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:49 AM
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13. Dupe... locking.
Please continue discussion within the original LBN thread on this topic, which can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=753434

Thanks!
VolcanoJen
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