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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 07:24 AM
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In Najaf, human shields and militants await tanks
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L16256053.htm

NAJAF, Iraq, Aug 16 (Reuters) - With his militants and human shields holed up inside one of Shi'ite Islam's most sacred shrines, radical Iraqi cleric Moqtada al-Sadr is playing a shrewd waiting game before an expected American-led offensive.

Sadr's militiamen were inside the Imam Ali shrine and positioned along alleyways and on rooftops with a seemingly endless supply of AK-47 rifles and rocket-propelled grenades intermittently fired at U.S. troops in a nearby cemetery.

But it was about 2,000 impassioned Iraqi civilian "volunteers" cheering Sadr in the marble-floored courtyard of the mosque who made the biggest show of force on Monday.

Travelling to Najaf from across Iraq, they are swelling the ranks of Sadr's supporters and could be another reason why U.S. troops may think twice before storming the shrine.

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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:19 AM
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1. We are thugs! We are about to pull a Tiananmen Square
in Najaf! But the American public will never know about it, because the "news" wont carry it and the Democrats in Washington wont make a stink about it! The only way the truth can get out (if at all) is if some lawmaker, somewhere, makes a big deal out of it! And it doesn't look like any of them are going to. Najaf is going to be one of America's typical massacres, but with the whole world watching (except for America). This is hellish!
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:26 AM
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2. we are NOT thugs. our country has been highjacked. Kerry would never
let this happen. he's seen the dark side of war... he would never repeat it.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:38 AM
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3. Americans are doing this.
Americans are killing Iraqis by the hundreds, daily, because America wants Iraq. Now, you can say "It's not America, but a gang of criminals" if it makes you feel better, but it isn't the truth. The truth is that even John Kerry won't condemn this war, because if he did the American public would not elect him - that means that the American public supports the actions taking place in Iraq. The Bush criminals are there and prospering because the American public has either agreed with or simply acquiessed to the committment of these horrible crimes. Look in the mirror and see the reflection seen by Iraqis - it isn't pretty.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:46 AM
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5. we all know that Kerry's silence on certain issues is temporary, until he
gets elected. and it's not that America supports the war... it's that Americans can't smell the carnage from here. you can't blame people for being uninformed when the media is being manipulated for political ends.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:47 AM
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7. his is not silence
but rather, in the rare event he makes a clear statement on the matter, it is in support. I do not see any reason to see this as temporary.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:40 AM
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4. oh bullshit..
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 08:45 AM by Aidoneus
so when his fellow volunteers were throwing people out of helicopters, was it "hijacked" then too? When, in this self-comforting delusion, was it not such?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:47 AM
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6. i don't get what you're saying. i said he wouldn't repeat it... are you
saying that he would?

i personally believe in the man.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:51 AM
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8. What I am saying..
is that I don't believe he could do anything about it--even if he would attempt to, which I do not foresee. Just "beating Bush" is one thing, and I believe he is entirely capable of that and probably will, but out of the blue putting a stop to a dozen (or more) decades of typical and established policy?--far beyond him in ability and interest, which is exactly why I think he can "Beat Bush".
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:56 AM
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9. you can't discount the fact that he took such a strong stand against the
atrocities after he got back from vietnam. i think he might have a bit more fight against the evils of war left inside his somewhat-less-idealistic and a bit more crusty exterior.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 08:56 AM
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10. We have murdered people under Democratic and Republican Administrations
Bush only happens to be the most extreme manifestation of American imperialism, the only difference is that Bush never bothered to use the Vaseline to screw the world in the ass.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:11 AM
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11. I agree.
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 09:12 AM by Dhalgren
The solgan for Kerry shold be something like "Vote for Kerry because he isn't an idiot". Everyone who is functioning above "brain-stem" level will vote for Kerry in November, because it is a vote against the fool currently in office, but that does not mean that this country has changed in any way. The main reason Dean and Kucinich were so roundly beaten in the primaries is because this nation is an imperialistic one. America is divided right now over who can best serve as commander in chief, not as president! If America was as benign and peace-loving as some would like you to believe, then Bush would not as close to reacquiring the WH as he appears to be. Kerry has to be bellicose or he won't get elected - that is because Americans are that way.
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Hidebo Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:17 AM
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12. So.... now Americans are exactly acting like Saddam
Only difference is that Saddam had committed those atrocities for his own sake, but Americans have been doing them for establishing democracy in Iraq.
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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:32 AM
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13. We are not establishing a democracy
We are establishing a territory. We have not done anything to make life better for most Iraqis, most are worse off now. That is why the are fighting us and begging us to get out.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:51 AM
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14. So George: to massacre or not to massacre? n/t
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 10:14 AM
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16. Listen to mom....it's a no-brainer
," Barbara Bush said on ABC's "Good Morning America" on March 18, 2003. "Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"


Why , indeed?
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freemarketer Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:56 AM
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15. Have you seen this masterpiece?
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