Columnist Says McGreevey Sex Scandal was Israeli Intelligence Operation

[Dover]

Foreign Policy/Intelligence Columnist Andy Martin Says McGreevey Sex Scandal was Israeli Intelligence Operation


NEW YORK, Aug. 16 /U.S. Newswire/ -- America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst, Out2.com's Andy Martin, will publish a column and hold a news conference in New York today (Aug. 16) to disclose that the New Jersey sex scandal involving Gov. James McGreevey was really an Israeli intelligence operation gone sour.

NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:

Time/date: today (Aug. 16) at 1 p.m. EDT

Location: Southwest Corner of Fifth Avenue and 57th Street, New York City

"People have been confused by the McGreevey sex scandal," says Martin. "But McGreevey's dilemma is not a gay sex scandal. It is an Israeli intelligence operation gone sour. This is not a scandal about 'sex.' It is a scandal about 'secrets.'

"McGreevey said he had sex. He did. Golan Cipel says he is not gay. He's not. They are both right. Mr. Cipel was a junior Mossad case officer, originally posted to New York under official cover. The Mossad is well known for using human sex toys. McGreevey was lured into a relationship that was intended to penetrate New Jersey's homeland defenses.

"Since 9/11 there has been barely suppressed anger at the fact Israeli intelligence knew about the hijackers and said nothing. Israelis have found themselves under suspicion and restricted by some intelligence channels. The state homeland security position was seen as a back door way of spying on anti-terror preparations in the New York-New Jersey area, and possibly nationally.

"The media have focused on the wrong blackmail scheme. This was not a sexual blackmail situation, although threats and demands have been made. 'Gay sex' is being used to conceal the real nature of the betrayal. This was a blackmail scheme intended to place Golan Cipel in a position of intense interest to Israeli intelligence....cont'd

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=102-08162004


His website: http://www.Out2.com :wtf:

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[Kagemusha]

1. He may well be right, but putting it this way wins him no favors

But hey, we'll see what the truth is...

[struggle4progress]

80. Depending on context, Andy Martin has apparently portrayed himself ...

... as a lawyer, as a law professor, as a foreign policy expert, as an expert on security or guerrilla warfare, as a consumer advocate, as a Republican Senatorial candidate for Florida or for Illinois, as a reporter.

Here is a nice little read, which tells some other parts of the story:

Andy Martin History
... Martin, of course, is mad. Quite mad. He's an enigma wrapped in a riddle who probably should be wrapped in a straitjacket ...
http://www.ilsenate.com/news.asp?ID=20

[WI_DEM]

2. wow

McGreevey was duped. Cloak and dagger stuff. I guess if he hadn't resigned there probably would be impeachment charges brought up against him for possibly compromising security.

[Ripley]

3. This whole story reeks, but not one story makes any sense yet.

This one seems to be the most absurd. Why would an Israeli undercover operator want to penetrate New Jersey's homeland defenses? And this:
"Since 9/11 there has been barely suppressed anger at the fact Israeli intelligence knew about the hijackers and said nothing.

Um, who has barely suppressed this anger? Not our government since they simply invaded Iraq on their behalf.

[truthisfreedom]

4. hey, this sounds as likely as any of the other spins on this story.

but i'm just a little more than disturbed while reading it.

[rocktivity]

5. Then McGreevey WAS set up

And the relationsip WAS consensual. This vindicates him a little--as in just enough for him stay in office until after election, and keep the governorship in Dem hands through 2006. But why target HIM? He's a state governor, not a CIA agent. Besides, Isn't Israel on OUR side?

:shrug:
rocknation

[Eloriel]

25. Uh, no. More like we're on Israel's side. n/t

[tblue37]

54. Haven't you ever heard of

Jonathan Pollard, the American sentenced to life for spying against the US for Israel?

[Chovexani]

30. Don't underestimate him.

NJ has what is quite possibly one of the most powerful state governments in the country. NJ is up there when it comes to Homeland Security planning because it's right next to NYC--the #1 target for terrorism in the country. I don't know for sure, but I would think very strongly that the NJ Governor is kept abreast of security concerns and plans that go on in NY. That's some pretty impressive clout.

Not to mention the fact that rumors have been swirling for years, ever since he was Mayor of Woodbridge, that McGreevey was gay or bisexual. It's not like no one suspected. And remember McGreevey met Cipel in Israel.

It all stinks. :tinfoilhat:

[Dancing_Dave]

40. Then there's the role of the Port Authority of NY and Jersey in 9/11

And Thomas Kean's Middle Eastern buisness interests that made him a very acceptable 9/11 commission chair for the Bush Administration, and need I mention the name of Paul Gargano...yeah, New Jersey "Homeland Security" is right in the belly of the beast!

[rocktivity]

62. Did someone understimate McGreevey, or what?

Now HE looks like the victim, Cipel looks both incompetent and unstable, the people who are calling for him to leave immediately look like they rushed to judgement, it is now definite that the relationship was consensual, and the New Jersey governorship remains in Dem hands!

:headbang:
rocknation

[private_ryan]

36. he still should go in jail

the homeland post doesn't go to a foreign national guy you met on a tour a year ago. McGreevy and this guy, both belong in jail. Israel is not on our side, they're on their own side and their interests come first.

[Barret]

48. Bull shit

Unless the guy he met was NOT a citizen. Was he a citizen?

If so NO citizen should be barred from holding office any other citizen can hold just because you don't like the nation they came from. Under your logic the bush admin could ban any Arab citizen from holding office.

Fortunately we illegalized your from of discrimination a few decades ago.

[private_ryan]

57. always read the story

and other related stuff first. Facts help

[Frances]

46. Why target McGreevy?

Because McGreevy named his lover, who is an Israeli citizen, to Homeland Security in New Jersey. (Remember that McGreevy met the guy in Israel). In this position, the Israeli would have access to U.S. intelligence as it pertains to New Jersey and possibly the nation.

While most Americans see Israel as a 51st state and under our control, the Israelis, not surprisingly, see themselves as a separate nation dependent on the U.S. The more U.S. secrets the Israelis have, the more power they have.

One other point: I think the writer of the article is saying that intelligence agents in the U.S. are angry that Israel did not share info they had on the hijackers with us. The implication is that Israel may not have done all they could have done to prevent an attack on the U.S. because the Israelis thought that an attack would make Americans more pro-Israel and anti-Palenstine.

[donkeyotay]

50. Yes, why target McGreevy?

If the gov was targeted by an operation - successfully - and they got a mole in Homeland Security, then why go the whole sex-blackmail scandal route?

In Wayne Madsen's article he theorizes this is something the GOP wanted... and since these two crime families are joined at the hip, it's credible that this is a favor being called, just a case of conflicting priorities. Still, this is an important question, one whose answer shapes any investigation to follow.

What other things might McGreevy have been involved in that would provide an explanation?

[rocktivity]

65. Ding ding ding! Donkeyotay, you're our grand prize winner!

...since these two crime families are joined at the hip, it's credible that this is a favor being called...

That's the most sensible comment I've read about all this. What a perfect cover for the GOP, getting Mossad to pull their domestic dirty tricks. If you're right, the goal probably was to force a special election--thank goodness McGreevey outsmarted them. And I'm sure today's endorsement of Bush by Ed Koch on the grounds of his devotion to Israel is just a coincidence. Geez, talk about outsourcing!

:headbang:
rocknation

[donkeyotay]

73. Golly! I ain't never wun nothin before!

Outsourcing indeed!

But I still have to follow a few more leads.

McGreevey Watch also shows that the gov had stepped on some casino toes, which could be hazardous.

snip

As part of his effort to close a multibillion budget deficit, McGreevey in February sought $135 million more from casinos by extending the 6 percent sales tax to freebies given to heavy gamblers, and raising the casino tax from 8 percent to 10 percent.

end

Sigh, so much crime, so little time.

[Hornito]

52. And what about Monica? Chandra Levy? Others?

Is all this coincidence?

[oneighty]

6. Mossad in NJ?

They would not mail anthrax. Would they?

180

[IndianaGreen]

20. Perhaps Sharon wants to stage a terrorist attack

to help Bush?

[BeHereNow]

89. Uh, actually...

When people protested Cipel's appointment
as Homeland Security poobah in NJ, he was
shuffled off to a position with a company that
lobbies for MERCK- Do a search on Merck, anthrax and
Israel.
And yes, those anthrax letters were postmarked in NJ.
BHN

[quaoar]

7. Will they be passing out

Tinfoil hats at the press conference?

[lottie244]

8. Who cares about favors when truth is involved? We allow Israel to get

away with anything. It's about time they were exposed for their evil deeds. When the dust settles in Venezuela you will find that Israeli dual citizens are behind the move to oust Chavez also. They are intrenched all throughout South America ever since the end of WWII. Brazil, Argentinia, Venezuela. And they are largley the seed and source of all the class warfare throughout S. America and Cuba. Mark my words, the truth has never been told. Maybe it will come out eventually but control of worlwide media and banks and resources trumps often truth.

I don't know how long it will be before you are banned for posting this info. We all may be for even talking about it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

32. I agree that Israel gets away with everything and anything.

U.S.S. Liberty anyone?

[Zhade]

95. But the Israelis didn't KNOW it was an American ship!

</ignorant wishful thinking>

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

102. LOL, yeah, it's so easy to miss those gigantic American flags

[ThatPoetGuy]

78. Well, yeah...

Racism is banned at DU, and frankly you deserve to be banned.

There was no Israel at the end of WWII, dude. So those are not Israelis who are "intrenched" in South America, as you claim; they're Jews. They're people. And yes, they happen to have settled, sometimes, in South America. The horror! Evil Jews, in South America.

[Classical_Liberal]

83. I reported it.

. I guess the mods aren't here today.

[Jazzgirl]

86. No such thing as the "Jewish" race.

It is a religion.

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. Oh please, after the first sentence my eyes were rolling

America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst, Out2.com's Andy Martin...

Out2.com ?

[LiberalEsto]

10. Maybe Sharon was doing a favor for B*sh

Since B*sh licks Sharon's boots, it may have been a political favor. It's possible that Sharon was behind this plot for one simple reason -- to get rid of a Democratic governor in a state with 15 electoral votes, so that a special election (or Diebolded "selection") could be held and a Rethug governor installed in McGreevy's place.

[seventhson]

18. You have it backwards: Sharon licks Bush's boots

and vice versa.

They like to lick boots

[Eloriel]

27. Well, whoever does the licking, Sharon gets to do whatever he

wants as a result, with NO accountability.

[DrDan]

24. this is exactly the thought that ran through my mind when . . .

I read this story.

Anyone know if Katherine Harris has visited Isreal anytime in the past few months?? or KKKarl Rove????? or KKKaren Hughes????

[loudsue]

55. I like that!! KKKatherineHarris, KKKarlRove, KKKarenHughes...

Yep....the KKK KKKeeping Bush in the WhiteHouse.

:kick:

[soothsayer]

11. 'By way of deception, thou shalt wage war.' Is that really the Mossad

motto?

[frylock]

47. according to former mossad agent, viktor ovtrovsky..

By way of deception, thou shalt do war.

[Dover]

12. THIS Andy Martin? Republican candidate?

http://www.andymartin.com/

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/1664227.php

...Many people are alienated by traditional politics," says Martin. "As someone who wears many hats, as broadcaster, columnist, peace activist and Republican, I see the everyday contradictions in our public life that confound people. We vote for someone who says he is against 'nation building,' and he starts building nations, and invading them. Conservatives think President Bush is a lock for tight financial policies, and Bush goes hog wild with entitlement and deficit spending. Democrats vote for Clinton, and he/she confound.

<snip>

Andy Martin has filed to seek ballot access for the Republican Party nomination for U.S. Senator from Illinois. He is an international broadcaster, talk show host and columnist. His views can be seen at Out2.com (Govt. & Politics). He has served as Baghdad Bureau Chief and chief foreign correspondent for Out2.com. Martin is also Executive Director of the Revolutionary War Research Center, a Washington, DC organization that studies guerilla war and unconventional military and political tactics in foreign affairs

[Minstrel Boy]

17. apparently, the same guy

Never heard of him.

"America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst"?

This might have been a Mossad "honey pot" operation - it has been suggested so in other reports - but Andy Martin doesn't strike me as a particularly credible source.

[Dover]

23. He's either off the wall.....or perhaps he works for one of the

intelligence services. He sure seems to get around the Middle East and elsewhere.....and can't be readily defined. What's he doing in the middle of this story and who funds his activities?

[klook]

43. "peace activist and Republican" Andy Martin

Hmmm...

[struggle4progress]

77. Yes, that's him. He hasn't been terribly popular as an Illinois Senate ...

... candidate:

<snip>
CAMPAIGN FINANCE SUMMARY for Andy Martin
Click on the Red $ Amounts for Contribution Details
Category $ Amount
Contributions of $200 or more from Individuals 0
Contributions From Political Action Committees 0
Contributions From Indian Tribes 0
Candidate (self-funded) 0

Top 100 Donors/Individual Financial Contributors to the Political Campaign of Andy Martin
Name Occupation $Amount Date City State ZipCode
No Contributions of $200 or more from Individual Donors
<snip>

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/campaigns/andy_martin.asp


He may also have Florida Senatorial campaign.

[Minstrel Boy]

13. "Israeli Espionage: When a Honey Trap Goes Bad A Governor Resigns"

Israeli Espionage: When a Honey Trap Goes Bad A Governor Resigns

John Anast
Aug 15

With the news out that in fact James McGreevey is, by his own admission, a homosexual; the Mossad honey trap has become somewhat unglued. Golan Cipel, the object of the Mr. McGreevy’s affection, worked for the Israeli consulate in New York in the 1990’s and other posts in a capacity to serve the Israeli espionage service and its targeting of American politicians and the American political system.

Notwithstanding all the self-serving political rhetoric spewing from democratic lips attempting to relegate the matter to a personal issue between two men, there are larger and in deed more relevant issues to our Nation's security to discern. It is a glimpse into the world of Israeli espionage targeted against the United States, its politicians, and its people.

...

In its zeal to penetrate the Governors office and homeland security, Mossad demanded that Cipel, an Israeli citizen who lacked any requisite experience or security clearances, be appointed to run New Jersey’s homeland security office. In that position Mr. Cipel could have not only obtained information on US security procedures, but also been in a position to access sensitive investigative information, methods and sources relative to US efforts to thwart Israeli espionage against the United States. New Jersey is still reeling from the Israeli espionage ring which was housed in Urban Movers that collapsed soon after it was discovered on 11 September, and more recently by the detention of two (2) Israelis, working for a New Jersey moving company, caught with classified submarine fuel near a US base in Tennessee where the fuel is manufactured.

Investigators should not limit their investigation to Cipel and his activities but should also be reviewing every appointment made by the McGreevey administration and especially those dealing with homeland security, to ensure that additional Israeli moles are not in-place conspiring espionage against the State of New Jersey and our Nation. Investigators should also be reviewing if telephone calls from the ex-governors home and office were logged by Amdocs, and if that information was shared with Israeli agents in Israel, as Amdocs is an Israeli company based in the United States which monitors and tracks most calls made within our Nation.

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/August/15%20o/Israeli%20espionage%20When%20a%20Honey%20Trap%20Goes%20Bad%20A%20Governor%20Resigns%20By%20John%20Anast.htm

[rinsd]

72. Nice article....

Basically calls for an investigation of suspiscious Jews.

"Investigators should not limit their investigation to Cipel and his activities but should also be reviewing every appointment made by the McGreevey administration and especially those dealing with homeland security, to ensure that additional Israeli moles are not in-place conspiring espionage against the State of New Jersey and our Nation. Investigators should also be reviewing if telephone calls from the ex-governors home and office were logged by Amdocs, and if that information was shared with Israeli agents in Israel, as Amdocs is an Israeli company based in the United States which monitors and tracks most calls made within our Nation"

Nice to see the "israel non-lovers" come out of the woodwork on this angle.

[Zhade]

96. "...caught with classified submarine fuel..."

Was this the susbtance the "movers" threw out the window during the police chase?

[JohnyCanuck]

14. Wayne Madsen on the Cipel/McGreevey scandal

Here we go again. Another political bombshell hits the American people and there is yet another connection to the subterranean labyrinth of possible Israeli intelligence activities. New Jersey Democratic Governor Jim McGreevey's announcement on August 12 that he was resigning because of his involvement in a gay relationship with an Israeli national may be the tip of an iceberg that represents another high-level Israeli attempt to burrow into the most sensitive areas of U.S. national security and our political process. The surprise announcement is also being used by a number of neo-conservative news outlets to tarnish the Democratic Party and absolve Israel of any connection to the New Jersey political scandal.

The ties between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Russian-mafia infused government and shadowy Israeli and Eastern European ex-intelligence agents are beyond a doubt, according to international law enforcement officials. But what is not readily apparent is the fact that a number of Israeli off-the-books intelligence operatives are active inside the United States and they do not have U.S. national interests in mind. In particular, the Israeli-Russian mobsters and their allies within the Sharon government have adopted one of the most successful intelligence ploys used by the former KGB and East German Stasi--the use of prostitutes or "swallows" to gain intimate access to high Western politicians, so-called "sexpionage." In the case of Israel, which welcomed a number of émigré former Eastern bloc intelligence agents during and after the Cold War, this has entailed the use of both female and male prostitutes. The fact that White House chief dirty tricks operator Karl Rove has close connections to the political spin machine run out of Sharon's Jerusalem office is also a concern when it comes to Israeli-connected dirty tricks operations being run against Democratic politicians in the United States.

<snip>

Jim McGreevey was a rising star in Democratic politics. As Mayor of Woodbridge, a New York City commuter suburb, McGreevey decided to opt for statewide political office. At the same time he appeared on the Israeli intelligence radar screens. In 2000, with his eye on the New Jersey statehouse, Mayor McGreevey joined a large delegation of New Jersey Jewish supporters in a political "mega pilgrimage" to Israel, where he met Golan Cipel, said to be a tour guide/information officer for the mayor of the Tel Aviv suburb of Rishon Le-Zion, the first Zionist settlement in Palestine. However, Cipel had previously been the press secretary for the Israeli consulate general in New York City. In 1999, Cipel, who is now being described as a one-time low-level Israeli government employee in New York and a "poet," gave a speech on behalf of the Israeli government at a meeting at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Madison Avenue offices on some very high profile issues, including the implications of the recent death of King Hussein of Jordan, the upcoming Israeli elections, and the peace process with the Palestinian Authority.

Cipel was also a former Israeli naval officer, leaving the service with the rank of lieutenant. How a person goes from an influential position with one of the most important Israeli diplomatic missions abroad to a mere Jerusalem area tour guide seems, on the surface, extraordinary. But in the world of intelligence, such career changes are driven by political necessity, not by choice. McGreevey's admitted lifelong homosexuality also made him a likely target for an intelligence approach--and Cipel, who, as a 1998 graduate of the New York Institute of Technology and the New York Israeli consulate's press spokesman, was more than familiar with north Jersey's political and social terrain. And Cipel was no stranger to right-wing Republican politics. In 1995, Cipel and future Washington Times reporter Joshua Mitnick edited an Israeli consulate news wire called "Israel Line." The Washington Times, owned by Rev. Sun Myung Moon, is a money-losing outlet for neo-conservative political opinion.

http://counterpunch.org/madsen08142004.html

[Dover]

19. Israel and the Russian Mafia?

WHAT? That's the first I've heard that one......

The ties between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Russian-mafia infused government and shadowy Israeli and Eastern European ex-intelligence agents are beyond a doubt...

[starroute]

37. It's a big story that largely hasn't broken the surface yet

I'm still trying to put the pieces together, but here's what I know:

The Russian Mafia is strongly rooted in three places: among gangsters in Russian and the former Soviet bloc (some but not all Jewish), among the Russian Jews who emigrated to the US in the 1980's and (like all recent immigrant groups) produced a criminal underworld, and in Israel.

It is particularly useful for Jewish members of the Mafia to hold dual US-Israeli or Russian-Israeli citizenship. Because of lingering Holocaust paranoia, Israel shields its citizens from extradition, which means it can be used as a bolthole to avoid prosecution elsewhere. Israel also has banking regulations which provide an unusual degree of confidentiality, making money-laundering easy. Depending on whose account you read, Mafia influence in Israel is currently running somewhere between substantial and alarming.

The Likud Party is particularly suspect when it comes to Mafia corruption. During the last election, there was a scandal brewing involving unqualified candidates with apparent Mafia backing, though it doesn't seem to have prevented Likud's victory.

The Russian Mafia is heavily involved in drug-smuggling and money-laundering, much of it through the diamond trade. There have been recent murders of diamond merchants in South Africa, and one in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan, that appear to be Mafia-linked. There are hints that they may be getting into arms-smuggling and nuclear proliferation as well.

Nick Berg's Iraqi friend and business partner, Aziz al-Taee, was in trouble about ten years ago for being involved in a Mafia operation involving the manufacture of cocaine vials. That is one reason for suspecting the Nick Berg story has more to it than has been revealed.

Many of the strange goings-on involving Israeli movers and art students in the US (and recently in Canada) seem to point towards both Mossad and the Mafia at once. The movers are definitely engaged in trying to scam little old ladies out of their life savings, and the art students are often scammers as well. But some of their activities, like focusing on US government buildings and installations, seem more suggestive of spying.

As I say, I'm still trying to sort this all out. I have dozens of saved stories, each with only a tiny part of the puzzle, so I'm not going to link to them here. But this is very big and very important.

[Minstrel Boy]

39. Very important stuff, starroute. Thank you for making the connections.

Sometimes distinguishing the actions of intelligence agencies from those of organized crime becomes moot.

Israel's Russian-linked mafia is a big player in drug trafficking - notably, ecstasy - and the gold trade.

It's worth remembering how the "art student" espionage ring made a particular target of DEA institutions, even as they seemingly shadowed the 9/11 hijackers.

And also bearing a mention is 9/11's association to the protected drug trade, discovered by Daniel Hopsicker in Florida and recognized by Sibel Edmonds at the FBI.

[Dover]

44. Fascinating stuff! Thanks for the sneak preview. I'll keep my eyes

open for related stories.

[KoKo]

45. Once again DU'ers are proved correct that there was something suspicious

about the McGreevey resignation.

As I keep saying, it's as if we are living in a "Spy Novel" from the Cold War era here in America and we keep going through twists and turns and none of us have a clue how to get out of it. We keep turning the pages of our lives and each day there's a new threat to our security and a new mole or operative is out to get us. Sheesh! What a nightmare. :nuke:

[papau]

63. More mainstream is view he was planted to take down Dems in 04

Even more mainstream is view is that this was simple extortion over gay sex via lawyers.

Indeed no FACTS have come out that cause anyone to revise or change anything that has been said to date re sex extortion.

The GOP technique of assertion without proof seems to be all over this.

[seventhson]

21. Well - that pretty well wraps it up - shadow spooks and Israeli operatives

Intelligence folks are often used as tour guides. It is a plush intelligence job, actually, I know cause I made a trip their with a VIP military guide several years ago.

McGreevy was stupid - but he was set up. Probably the same as Clinton and Lewinsky (I've often thought - the tradition of sexual sacrifice for Israel is very old to get the Philistines, etc. - but who knows about Monica?)

Anyway - once again Madsen uncovers some spooky connections and ties them all together in a must-read.

This seemed the case to me from day one.

Israelis do NOT play around when it comes to political ops.

But this is also doomed to be an embarrasment to the right if exposed.

[Classical_Liberal]

51. If Monica is a Likudnik how do you account for Clinton

pushing the peace process after the blowjob. That sent the neocons into fits of rage. Though Cipel is looking pretty damned Moussad.

[seventhson]

60. Peace was scuttled by the same people who set Clinton up

with Monica (I figure). Once the blue dress came out they could not really blackmail him.

However, it was the Likud-Bush alliance that killed the peace process.

They blamed it on Arafat - but it had Sharon's and Bush's fingerprints all over the strangled dove.

[Classical_Liberal]

68. What are Monica's connections to the neocons and Israel

? If it was blackmail, why did Clinton go through with the peace process at all? Look we don't want to create a climate where every Jew is under suspicion.

[starroute]

81. Sherman Skolnick was pushing a Monica conspiracy theory

I consider Skolnick about half a notch above David Ickes when it comes to trustworthiness, but (on the basis of leaving no stone unturned) here's a link to one of his pieces:

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/claffair.html

(Sample quote: "So, did Chandra Ann Levy know too much about the real background of the Timothy McVeigh matter?")

[seventhson]

93. I am just guessing that he was set up.

I had some meetings at the White House (actually the EOB) before this story broke and a lot of folks were aware of her presence there flirting with the President. Sex traps are standard ops if someone has that prediliction.

Neocons or Likud, who knows.

But I would not be surprised by it. It rendered him very distracted and ineffective for years. So I look to who would benefit from it: neocons, likud, BFEE, whoever. (NOT necessarily a Likud thing, just one among the possibilities).

Unfortunately - the policies of Mossad using civilians for such ops are well known. CIA and BFEE too. So I am just sayin' - it is within the realm of possibility.

[Joanne98]

15. I was wondering about this.

It's wierd that somebody is speaking up so fast. I wonder why McGreevey didn't say anything.

[seventhson]

16. This sounds about right - However - I doubtr it is Mossad

US (ie George HW Bush) CIA operations have for many years used sexual indiscretions as a means of blackmail and compromise.

The fact that this guy is Israeli means there is a higher likelihood of him being an "Israeli" operative - but not necessarily Mossad. The US shadow government (which is now in full bloom in the white house still carrying on "shadow" and dirty and illegal ops globally) uses operatives interchangeably with the Likud in Israel when they need to do joint ops.

A political operation as stupid and blatant as this has Dick Cheney's fang prints and Rove's all over it.

The purpose is to compromise a leading light in the Democratic Party in a place where he is weakest: his closeted homosexuality - and use that to smear the entire Democratic Party (as well as demonstrate that his "perversion" compromised security) to get the election slant3d to the right and get those anti-gay republicans riled up enough to vote. It had to be covert so as not to anger fascist gay repubs.

Thus the democrats can be painted with that broad immoral brush.

McGreevy was an idiot to think he could do this sort of thing and not get stung.

We have to be smarter than them. McGreevy should have outed himself years ago. Then he could nopt have been set up like this to the detriment of all of us.

[Merlin]

22. The only thing that rings true about this...

is that Mosad knew about 9/11 before it happened. As I understand it, there is incontrovertible evidence to this effect.

[papau]

64. And proof that they told US is also out there - indeed told US via Germany

at one point because folks at State were giving Israel the usual cold shoulder routine (Yes, Virginia, we do have folks that hate Israel in the US Government).

The Israeli info did not say 9/11 at the WTC - so it was not specific and our leaders felt free to ignore it.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

26. Where have I heard this before?

Oh. I said it. The first day of this "scandal".

I reiterate: This reads like Tradecraft 101. SOP for spy work.

[Chovexani]

28. I have no idea who this guy is or if he's credible

But I firmly believe McGreevey was set up, just like I believe Clinton was set up with that Lewinsky mess. I also have to admit when I first heard the guy was Israeli I immediately thought "Mossad". I brushed it off and was kind of ashamed of myself for wearing the tinfoil hat too tightly--living under BushCo. rule for 3 years has made me unbelievably paranoid, and rightfully so--but now I'm not so sure.

Now that I think about it, of all positions to put your unqualified boyfriend in, why Homeland Security? I mean, regardless of what some people think, this kind of thing goes on in government all the time. You always have politicians putting their mistresses and whatnot in cushy gov't jobs. But why Homeland Security? I can think of dozens of lower profile positions he could have put him in without raising suspicion, at least to the degree that the State Legislature wouldn't cried foul. Something tells me that wasn't McGreevey's idea.

This thing stinks to high heaven, and the fact that the media is pushing the corruption angle so hard irritates me. I don't think it's necessarily malice though, more than laziness and a sordid preoccupation with MCGREEVEY'S SECRET GAY LOVER. :eyes:

[geek tragedy]

29. Andy Martin is a Freeper twit. Please ignore.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2004/0002229354&EDATE=

<snip>
NEW YORK, Aug. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Out2.com's independent contrarian
columnist, Andy Martin, will publish a column and hold simultaneous news
conferences in New York and London on Wednesday, August 11th to disclose he
believes Barack Obama is a political fraud who "lied to the American people."
Martin has asked Crown Books to stop sales of Obama's book because of its
fraudulent content. Martin says Obama may be a threat to the Jewish
community.
<snip>

[Chovexani]

31. So? We should still be asking questions.

I've been deeply suspicious ever since this story broke. Just because this guy is a crackpot doesn't mean we shouldn't be asking questions and examining this from every angle.

I forgot, asking questions = wearing a tinfoil hat

[geek tragedy]

34. There's plenty mysterious going on here, I agree.

But, I'm not going to get worked up about Mossad because Andy Martin and Al-Jazeera use this as a chance to propagandize.

[Dover]

33. Yes, seems so. But check out the other sources for this story in this

thread. AlJazeera is running it.

[Classical_Liberal]

53. Maybe, but for the most part the paleocons have proven dead right

on these things. I first learned about the pnac from the right wing libertarians at antiwar.com. They continue to cover the story better then anyone else.

Look at this weeks column on McGeevey. All referenced claims.


http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3310

[rinsd]

75. Are you kidding?

He's thrown red meat to wolves.

<sarcasm>

Who cares about the source, this guy says the Mossad did it!

</sarcasm>

[geek tragedy]

76. And trying to pit Dems vs. Jews/Israelis

Gee, I wonder who would have that kind of agenda?

[rinsd]

79. Seriously....

Everyone thinks they've got their finger on it. Offering the dual bonus as a defense of McGreevy and another nail in the coffin for the Mossad.

It does neither. On one side it reinfocrces the steroetype that gay people are MORE susceptible to blackamail and therefore shouldn;t be in sensitive or powerful positions. On the other it pits Israel against Americans(with hints that 9/11 may have had Israeli hands involved). I am under no illusions about Israel but this is just a little to damn convienient for my taste.

Divide and conquer, the GOP election mantra since the 60's.

[w4rma]

35. This whole article could be made up. (nt)

[Dancing_Dave]

38. Lot's of "news" these days is made up!

And I trust this analyst a lot more than the Time magazine writer who recently made up some fear mongering-shit about "Al-Qaeda in America", with the help of some of the Bush Adminstration' most talented fiction spinners!

[geek tragedy]

84. This analyst smeared Barack Obama.

No Dem with a brain should trust him.

[makhno]

41. I'll reiterate

Why were there no questions raised when a foreign national was appointed to a senior homeland security position in a key state?

[Geo55]

42. Saddam Hussein was , ah , busy ?........good question. n/t

[Miss Authoritiva]

59. Because New Jersey has the most feeble media in the US.

NJ newspapers are not worth the purchase price and the hassle of recycling. There is very little state coverage on TV, and what little there is comes in from New York and Philadelphia affiliates and does not focus much on politics (unless there's a scandal). Then there's a single cable channel devoted to New Jersey news that is only one notch up from public access. It is so canned that when anything important comes up -- even catastrophic events like 9/11 or major transit failures -- it takes hours before even a simple crawl update appears.

So the hiring of an Israeli national as a state homeland security official would get as much coverage and analysis (and probably less) as a house fire or a water main break.

[daleo]

49. There was an interesting column in the Globe and Mail

Lawrence Martin, a columnist in the Globe and Mail (no relation to Andy Martin, as far as I know) went to Harvard with McGreevey. He talked about the usual dorm partying and so forth, but said McGreevey had a plan to go all the way to the top back in those days - mayor, governor, presidency. He said that old dorm mates (like himself) were amazed that the plan seemed to be proceeding perfectly, with McGreevey already a governor of an important state at 46.

The point is, if intelligence services are really far-seeing (and Mossad is said by many to be the best) it would make sense to get compromising information on promising up and comers relatively early in their careers. So, if a "honey-pot" operation is the case here, this may be part of it, in addition to whatever current advantages it could gain. It was claimed that the KGB did this sort of thing as well. It wouldn't surprise me if the CIA and MI6 did too.

I don't know how true any of this is, just speculating. When the governor's lover was revealed to be Israeli, I expected these sorts of claims to be made eventually.

[gauguin57]

56. Something that doesn't jibe with sexual harrassment/rape claims

http://www.cpanj.com/capitalreportpages/mcgreeveywatch/august2002/MCGREEVEY'S%20RECLUSIVE%20ISRAELI%20AIDE%20STEPS%20DOWN.htm

Near the end of this 2002 story is the description of McGreevey joining Cipel in a walk-through of a townhouse soon after McGreevey was elected ... so, he was being sexually harrassed, but he told the realtor he needed to be in a townhouse really close to the governor's residence so he could be on call 24 hours a day? ... hmmmm.... I don't have any idea what really happened there, but it's all a little weird.


pertinent snip...

"... McGreevey took time out from his transition plans to accompany Cipel on a last- minute walk-through of the West Windsor townhouse Cipel was about to purchase.

McGreevey's unannounced inspection caught the seller, Elaine Dietrich, by surprise.

According to Dietrich, she had listed the place at $189,900. Cipel saw it only once and offered $190,000 provided it was taken off the market immediately. Cipel explained "he wanted to have a place that was in close proximity to where the Governor was because he was a personal adviser on call 24 hours a day."

Before Cipel would sign the contract, Dietrich said, he wanted to make sure McGreevey saw it, too.

[donkeyotay]

58. Wow! Guess that puts a wrench in sexual harassment

But the link doesn't work. That seems to happen a lot.

[seemslikeadream]

61. You can get to the article from this google link

McGreevey Watch
... Then, late last year, McGreevey took time out from his transition plans to accompany
Cipel on a last- minute walk-through of the West Windsor townhouse Cipel ...
www.cpanj.com/.../mcgreeveywatch/august2002/ MCGREEVEY'S%20RECLUSIVE%20ISRAELI%20AIDE%20STEPS%20DOWN.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

google

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+McGreevey+took+time+out+from+his+transition+plans+to+accompany+Cipel+on+a+last&btnG=Search

[donkeyotay]

69. Thanks, I didn't google

That McGreevey Watch is a great resource. It has info on some of the other scandals mentioned tangentially, including a billboard scandal listed June 9, 2003. Seems two trusted aides, Gary Taffet and Paul Levinsohn had a side business going:

snip:

"In the three years leading up to McGreevey's election, Taffet and Levinsohn transacted billboard business out of the campaign offices, brought others in the governor's political orbit into the enterprise and even built a sign in Woodbridge while McGreevey was still mayor. When they sold their interests in the business in January 2002, one of the closings was held in McGreevey's transition office. They walked away with $2.4 million each."

...

"On May 14, U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie confirmed that his office is conducting a criminal probe in a letter to state Senate leaders who had been considering their own investigation."

That's intriguing because Chris Christie is listed on the tpj.org list of Bush Pioneers from the state of NJ. I'm going to keep an open mind as to what the issues are here, besides another wandering dick.

[KoKo]

66. Do you have a better link? It's telling me the report can't be found.

:shrug: Your snip sure seems to say they were pretty close and at that point it wasn't sexual harrassment.

[KoKo]

67. Okay....I got it through the Google link....so don't need the original.n/t

[eek]

71. Wonder if the "Gov. Perry of TX is closet case"

stories will (or have) resurface/d amid this thing?

If ya remember, the story was neeeaaaarrrrlllly going to break earlier this year when his wife visited a fancy dee-vorce lawyer.

[rinsd]

70. Just great....more old school stereotypes & discrimination

So McGreevy was not only duplicitious, he was also gullible and/or incompetent.

I can't believe people here are buying this entrapment BS as a defense.

It really brings up the age old discrimination against gay people....that they are more susceptible to black mail and therefore should not be in positions of importance.

But people are rushing to this as defense of McGreevey? Why? Because someone said the words Israeli spy?

[Classical_Liberal]

82. Well the Israelis have done it before. Look at Pollard

and this guy is not only an Israeli but has a background working for the Israeli state and as a public speaker for Likud's side.

[geek tragedy]

85. Yep.

Some people here have an involuntary Pavlovian response to allegations of Israeli/"Zionist" plots.

Has someone blamed Hurricane Charley on the Mossad yet?

[Minstrel Boy]

87. Yep... uh huh... Israel would NEVER do such a thing.

US arrests 200 young Israelis in spying investigation
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/03/07/wspy07.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/03/07/ixworld.html

Israelis 'spied on al-Qa'ida in America'
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=271607

The White Van: Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=75266&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

The Israeli 'Art Student' Mystery
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html

Urban Myth, My Ass!
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-27/fishwrapper.html

Update: The Spies Who Came In From the Art Sale
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-20/fishwrapper.html

Spies, or Students?
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=162902&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

And just last week:

Fundamentalist link in cheap art scam?
Israeli "art students" arrested and deported in Canada just last week. "The scam has attracted the attention of American counter-intelligence agents, who warn the bogus art was being used as a front for Islamic fundamentalist fundraisers."
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2004/08/08/573292.html

And so on, and so on.

[geek tragedy]

90. Right on cue.

I never said that they would never do such a thing.

Only that some people are physically incapable of disbelieving rumors about "Zionist" plots.

[Minstrel Boy]

91. Please consider your own Pavlovian response.

I've said only this story could be true. I've even said Andy Martin is not a credible source.

[geek tragedy]

92. My Pavlovian response is to require evidence from a credible source. eom

[seemslikeadream]

88. Douglas Feith was suspected of being an Israeli agent of influence,

Winds of Change:

Troubled Waters Ahead For the Neo Cons

.................

Shaw certainly must have recalled how, during the Reagan administration, an Israeli spy named Jonathan Pollard was able to steal massive amounts of sensitive U.S. intelligence over a long period of time and hand it over to his Israeli control officer, a dangerous and deadly agent provocateur named Rafael "Rafi" Eitan. That had disastrous effects on U.S. intelligence operations throughout the world because some of the documents were handed by the Israelis to the Soviets in return for letting more Soviet Jews emigrate to Israel.



Shaw must have also recalled that when a young National Security Council staffer named Douglas Feith was suspected of being an Israeli agent of influence, he was stripped of his job and security clearance by then- National Security Adviser Bill Clark but soon managed to find another job (and another top level clearance) under then Deputy Defense Secretary Richard Perle.



And it was certainly known that during Pollard's subsequent appeal of his life sentence for spying for Israel, one of his attorneys was none other than right-wing stalwart and neo-con friend, Ted Olsen, the former Solicitor General of the United States under Ashcroft and the person in charge of all U.S. attorneys. It was from Olsen's cadre of U.S. Attorneys that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald was selected to investigate the Valerie Plame / Brewster, Jennings White House leak to the media and perhaps other high crimes by neo-con officials of the Bush administration.


Adding insult to injury, neither the CIA nor FBI were happy that Israeli spies operating under the cover of Israeli "art students' and moving van operators, and who were picked up by federal agents and local "first responder" law enforcement officers before and after 911, were quickly deported by immigration officers before they could be fully interrogated. The penetration of FBI and other federal law enforcement data networks and databases by Israeli software and telecommunications companies working under U.S. government contracts has also left a bitter taste in the mouths of federal law enforcement and intelligence personnel.

So now, it is payback time. The recent arrest warrants issued by the Iraqi government for Ahmed and Salem Chalabi (Ahmed's for counterfeiting Iraqi dinars and Salem's for murdering an Iraqi Finance Ministry official) indicates that Shaw's instincts about the fraud engaged in by them and their neo-con friends in the Pentagon were right on the money. Let us ponder that news again: the lead prosecutor against Saddam Hussein murders an official of the Iraqi Finance Ministry - an individual that just may have known something about what happened to $1 billion in missing Iraqi revenues. The accused is a partner of an Israeli-U.S. lawyer who is a close colleague of leading neo-cons in the Pentagon (some of whom are also dual U.S.-Israeli citizens) and the nephew of a man who was supported bureaucratically by a former CIA Director (James Woolsey), financially by hundreds of millions of dollars from the budget of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and politically by a think tank (AEI) that includes the wife of the Vice President of the United States. Uncle Ahmed was also a personal guest of George W. and Laura Bush in the VIP box at the 2004 State of the Union address. The President and First Lady welcomed a person who now is now an accused criminal to America's State of the Union address, a person whose nephew is now an accused murderer! John Le Carre could not have come up with a better international thriller scenario.

more
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_change_summary.shtml

[Zhade]

97. Having a secret you don't want known makes you vulnerable.

He could have had any number of other secrets that would have made him a target for entrapment. It doesn't have anything to do with "gay people shouldn't be in positions of importance".

The simple fact is, his sexual orientation was a secret, and that made him vulnerable.

[struggle4progress]

74. Is Andy still trying to run as Florida's ...

... Republican Senatorial candidate? And did it ever occur to him to file?

According to his fascinating website, he is an expert on everything:

"... ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION Andy was a pioneer in environmental litigation ... RACKETEERING LITIGATION Andy was the first consumer litigant to popularize and publicize the "civil RICO" statute for use against politicians and white-collar crime ... MANAGEMENT/SECURITY/ECONOMIC CONSULTANT In 1974 Andy moved the Revolutionary War Research Center, of which he was a founder, to New York's World Trade Center ... FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE Andy is one of America's most respected foreign policy analysts ... THE FIRST CONSUMER ADVOCATE IN CYBERSPACE Andy has become the nation's first Consumer Advocate in Cyberspace through his efforts to police the software industry and fight attempts to monopolize computer markets ..." http://www.andymartin.com/bio.htm


He does seem a bit weak on follow-up:
http://www.andymartin.com/issues.htm http://www.andymartin.com/news/default.htm


Don't miss the plea for cold hard cash:

"LEGAL DEFENSE FUND The Andy Martin Legal Defense Fund is intended to help Andy defray legal expenses from public interest lawsuits, including court costs and lawyers' fees. Money is also used to help defend Andy when he is the target of corrupt judges and lawyers who retaliate against him for exposing corruption in the courts and legal profession. Contributions may be sent to the headquarters address below ..." http://www.andymartin.com/legal.htm

[chimpy the poopthrower]

94. So, I learned something about U.S. Newswire today...

It is a press release company, not a news organization. So, does that mean that this Andy Martin wrote about himself that he is "America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst"?

:puke:

[JSJ]

98. "by deception shall we wage war"- mossad

[DoNotRefill]

99. where do my problems with this start? Oh, yeah....

"America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst, Out2.com's Andy Martin,"

somehow, after that blurb, I have a real problem taking ANYTHING this guy says at face value....

[Gimel]

100. McGreevey

Was obviously trying to use Cipel, who didn't even know the Gov was gay, and isn't himself. Now his idolizing fans can't accept the truth so they create garbage accusations.

[matcom]

101. Dadcom and I talked about this last night

Dadcom says while the sources of these stories MAY be suspect, this would NOT surprise him.

Says there are probably hundreds of Israeli spies in this country and says yes, some of them are holding positions in the gov't.

Says its been happening for years

[Moderator]

103. Upon further review

It has been determined that this is not true LBN. The source is "vanity" news. If it is a real news item, it will be picked up by the mainstream press.