Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Failed Oppositions Game Plan in Venezuela

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:35 AM
Original message
The Failed Oppositions Game Plan in Venezuela
The Opposition's Game Plan
By Benjamin Melancon,
Mon Aug 16th, 2004 at 09:33:30 AM EST
"The opposition is so hopelessly disorganized and defeated after being repeatedly outmaneuvered -- by Chavez, his supporters, and community media in Venezuela --that even the U.S. is afraid to put the golpistas in charge.
I hope.


Fact is, the (former) oligarchs of Venezuela aren't going to give up on retaining and regaining their privelege, the U.S. government isn't going to give up on maintaining and increasing economic and political control over all of Latin America, and so the U.S. government will never give up on the Venezuelan 'opposition'. This opposition isn't the 40% or so that voted to recall Chavez but the handful of people who would actually run the government (so as to allow them to completely run the economy and the country).

Thus, with a predictable defeat, that opposition has been laying the groundwork for what can only be another coup attempt..."

The rest of this story is at
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2004/8/16/93330/0241
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:40 AM
Response to Original message
1. Chavez needs to start another round of firing
In the military and in the oil workers union. He needs to make sure that 2 years from now they have NO people in postions of power anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:47 AM
Response to Original message
2. David versus Goliath!
or what! It's mindboggling this story is not getting airplay...
what a corrupt bucha whores the massa media is
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 09:48 AM
Response to Original message
3. It Just Occurred to Me
that the opposition probably expected to lose, but contest the election if it were close or there were indications of fraud. Think what happened to Milosevic the last time he was "elected." And they did contest the results.

Stupidly, however, the opposition claimed an overwhelming victory which nobody finds credible. Fortunately, Chavez won by such a margin that none of these tactics are likely to succeed.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Something like this:
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 10:19 AM by bemildred
Keep it close, spread chaos and doubt, make a lot of noise,
try to work up a call for "intervention" and "peacekeeping"
and stuff like that. The level of turnout is what fucked them.

Edit: there were also a number of elements of this plan, e.g.
the "para-militaries" from Colombia, that were dealt with before
they could be brought into action. Hugo, whatever his faults or
virtues may prove to be, demonstrates a good deal of hybrid vigor,
and has repeatedly out-maneuvered both the US and Venezuelan
elites' attempts to undermine him. On the evidence I would say
he has them way outclassed, and that is what most drives them nuts
about him, his very existence is an attack on their racist delusions
of superiority.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. That's What WE Have to Do! Turn Out The Voters!

> The level of turnout is what fucked them.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
6. I think maybe it is time to invent
In-sourcing. To whit, where you fire the Patron class by finding willing immigrants to come and take over the civilian govt sinecures that the patrons call their own.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. I like it.
I think any non-english speaking fellow fresh over the border
could do a better job for the American people than about 98%
of the corrupt half-wits in Congress. At least la raza
knows how to work hard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 03:00 PM
Response to Original message
7. They won't go quietly into that good night
If Bush manages to steal the U.S. election, I think they will play the invasion card. Some helpful "Chalabi" figures will provide the propaganda, which much of the North American media will faithfully parrot back. I imagine accusations about drugs will play a major role. However, Chavez is smart and clearly has popular support, so this may be a much tougher military job than they expect. Controlling the oil is the main thing for the BFEE - if they succeed in Iraq that becomes the template.

I hope Kerry will not be persuaded to go along with this scheme, should the U.S. election be contested fairly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. I don't know - the apparently honest overwhelming defeat for the coup
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 04:04 PM by yellowcanine
plotters at the polls has to give even the PNAC crowd pause. It would be a hard sell to say that Chavez is not a legitimate leader after this. This is major blowback. I am sure Karl Rove is wondering what went wrong. Just a foretaste of what he is going to be feeling election night, I hope. I would buy Twinkies stock if I were you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. I hope you are right, and the vote was encouraging
I must confess ignorance about the Twinkies reference, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 03:38 PM
Response to Original message
8. The Opposition's Game Plan
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 03:40 PM by Tempest
Sorry, posted this in the wrong thread.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
9. Thanks for link!
Viva Chavez!
But unfortunately, it isn't over yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 08:49 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC