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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:46 PM
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Falwell Integrates Faith Into Law School
http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040817/APA/408171107

By CHRIS KAHN
Associated Press Writer

The Rev. Jerry Falwell will open a law school this month in hopes of training a generation of attorneys who will fight for conservative causes.

"We want to infiltrate the culture with men and women of God who are skilled in the legal profession," Falwell said in a telephone interview Tuesday with The Associated Press. "We'll be as far to the right as Harvard is to the left."

Graduates of the law school - part of Falwell's Liberty University in Lynchburg, which is affiliated with his Baptist ministry - could tackle such issues as abortion rights and gay marriage, Falwell said. Classes begin Aug. 23 for the first-year class of 61 law students.

"I'd love to fight Roe v. Wade," said incoming law student Heidi Thompson, 33, a Liberty graduate who has spent the past few years working as a high school counselor in Orlando, Fla.

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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:50 PM
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1. Arn't critical thinking skills needed for Law School?
I don't see how this will work.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:52 PM
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2. Critical thinking my ass!!!!!
Sounds about right! errr that is something like a pun.. oh well. At any rate, if you read, "The Betrayal of American Democracy", I think you will see that we are soon nearing the point of no return to what we use to think of the United States of America. :cry:
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:29 PM
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3. Republicans are running out of squares
who can pass a bar exam, that they can appoint to judgeships down the road, who will rule on issues of Constitutional importance.

Ya gotta hand it to them. They're really thinking long-term. Makes you wonder what they know, doesn't it.

Gyre
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 04:21 AM
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22. Not in Lawd school. (n/t)
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:41 PM
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4. It's the way Afrikaners did it in South Africa
The very religious and conservative South Afrikaners work for decades to infiltrate the South African government. Once the British were gone there was nothing to stop them from their pogram of aparthied.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PaganWarrior/
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:45 PM
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5. Isn't the Federalist Society far right wing enough.
We need to start our own left left wing counter balance. The more the dems go after the middle the harder they pull to the right. This is what happens when you do something like create the DLC. The American Taliban thinks it's mainstream. How awful is that?
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CaptAhab Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:45 PM
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6. Roe v Wade
If you actually bother to read the decision of Roe v Wade you'd be amazed how well it balances state interest with individual rights. I took a class in U.S. constitutional law last Spring, and I thought Roe v Wade was one of the most beautifully crafted decisions in American jurisprudence. These so-called law students are indeed ideologues and zealots, not scholars.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:51 PM
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7. Good luck getting hired with a degree from "Liberty"
Edited on Tue Aug-17-04 07:51 PM by depakote_kid
No self respecting firm is going to hire someone with a degree from Falwell U. Talk about a waste of time and money- these poor suckers will have VERY limited career opportunities.

Why do I not feel sorry for them?
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Edmond Dantes Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:08 PM
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8. See Post #3
Under the current regime, their career possibilities are limitless. Genuine legal talent is not a prerequisite for employment. The only requirement is that the law grad be a "true believer" willing to serve the Lord and Master: Big Business.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:30 PM
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12. You're totally right on!
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:09 PM
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9. Are you kidding? Whole firms will be set up for them with Scaife's
billions. Never mind the RW firms already in existence that would hire them.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:42 PM
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14. Despite what you may think
Law firms don't hire people from fringe schools like this one is bound to be. There may be a few out there set up to do so, but they are very rare. Law firms seek out graduates from reputable and established schools- they're not just interested in associates who think critcally and will work long hours- they're interested in making money - and they want prestige.

And no matter how you cut it, there isn't going to be any prestige coming out of Falwell U. Would you want a firm with a Falwell grad representing you? Would your insurer? I don't think so. Lawfirms know that....
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:24 AM
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26. Law firms don't need to hire them
Just look at the Judicial Appointees from the administration. Their real legal experience is limited to the point of being stunted.

The rePukes don't care if you worked for a top flight firm unless it's massively conservative. James Baker is a prime example.
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:17 PM
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10. This is just bloody frightening.
I swear, there's nothing wrong with your country that a few orbital bombardments wouldn't fix.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:19 PM
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11. Just-what-we-fucking-need.
Not!
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:34 PM
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13. Hmmmm.... bet it's not ABA approved n/t
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keep_left Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 10:16 PM
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17. Nope...just like Tom Monaghan's school wasn't.
Monaghan (Domino's Pizza fortune) founded yet another one of his endless tax-dodge vanity projects, the "Ave Maria School of Law" with "visiting scholars" like Robert Bork. The damn thing had absolutely NO accreditation at all! Somehow, they still found students willing to pay. P.T. Barnum was right, I guess...
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:58 PM
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19. Monaghan paid to rebuild a cathedral after an earthquake while peasants ..
Edited on Wed Aug-18-04 12:04 AM by Bozita
... slept on bare ground.

Central America in the '90s.

Christianity at its best.

Opus Dei
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chrisesq Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:42 PM
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15. It will be a while before they see anything come from their degree.
Their not even provisionally ABA accredited. That means that other than in Virginia they will be unable to practice in I'd guess 90% of the states.

You can be assured that it will be a while before they become ABA accredited. Years from now if they are lucky.

And we already have one of their students talking about overturning Federal cases. Talk about delusions of grandeur.

If you want a conservative law school, go to the University of Chicago. Aat least it's respected and accredited.

My guess is that these students' GPA and LSAT scores were so dismal that they had to choose Liberty U or nowhere at all.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 07:29 AM
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23. but at UofC they know how to read and write,
and do that critical thinkie thingie.


Lawfirms DO want critical thinkers, by the way. If they have a bunch of "morans" working on a project, pretty soon the client will get pissed and take the business elsewhere. Results count and results are created by smart thinking, not just padded billables.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:45 PM
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16. Jerry "Fat" Foulball actually has a fair number of acolytes.
We need to keep a close eye on him and Pat ROBert$on as well...
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 10:37 PM
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18. Hey, wasn't that a movie with Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 12:11 AM
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20. Even the conservative big firms only hire from top-tier law schools
We're talking Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Michigan, etc. Even the RW Federalist Society members brag about their academic pedigree. Falwell U? I don't think so.

Talk about delusions of grandeur!

Bake
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 12:11 AM
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21. Sure, you can send Faith to law school
But she would still be an out of control vampire slayer.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 07:32 AM
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24. I can only imagine contracts and torts
OK, class, let us pray.

Now what does Marbury v. Madison tells us? Yes?
"It means that mere humans were stupid enough to think that a supreme court could have the power to decide whether a law is constitutional. They forget that only GOd can tell us whether any law, including the constitution is appropriate."

Very good. Now, what is a contract?

"Professor, it means that which God has drawn up. For example, when God makes a woman, her place is to provide her body as a vessel to have children. She has a contract with god. No man may break that contract."


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Mrs_Beastman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:18 AM
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25. that is the most frightening thing I have ever heard
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:50 AM
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27. I don't even wanna think about the LU Dred Scott interpretation
They probably think it's just fine.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 09:07 AM
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28. What's next, medicine?
Perhaps Jerry Falwell's school of faith-healing? :silly:
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