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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:39 PM
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White House Calls On Kerry To Condemn All Soft Money Ads
http://www.international.nasdaq.com/asp/gmWorldNews.asp&headl">WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)


The Bush administration said Thursday Sen. John Kerry should condemn all soft money political advertising and not just the ads critical of the Democratic challenger.

"The president had condemned all of the ads by these shadowy groups, and he has called on Sen. Kerry to join him in calling for an end to all the unregulated, soft money activity that is going on in this campaign," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. ..

"The president has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative, false attacks from these shadowy groups," McClellan said.

He added that Bush had intended to purge the political system of soft money ads by signing the campaign finance reform legislation into law and noted Kerry also voted in favor of the legislation.

"Apparently, Sen. Kerry was against this soft money activity previously, too. But now he appears to be for it as long as it benefits his campaign," McClellan said.

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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:41 PM
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1. Kerry will be on the defensive again - this is what happens when you don't
do offense.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:49 PM
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10. Not quite
this is just a sample of Bush all or nothing thinking. There was a reason to condemn an ad about a fellow soldier, even one as sorry a specimen as Bush. Bush has failed to distance himself from the smear boat ads, and that failure will continue to be noticed. Bush thinks he doesn't have to play by the same rules he sets for others, and it's being noticed, too.

Never mind that all the smear boat guys are being discredited, one by one, and shown for the liars twisted by 35 years of hate that they are.

The worst thing Kerry can do is allow himself to be defined by the little emperor and his silly demands. Kerry needs to stay on message.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:40 PM
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48. Kerry has time to chip away at these bitter little lying freaks. He is
successfully outing them one-by-one for the lies they've told. war is difficult enough without fighting among yourselves when you come back over what did and didn't happen, especially when gross injustice is involved on the part of those running the war. Kerry created bitterness when he came back and spoke out against atrocities he witnessed and was a part of. he did the right thing... these other guys never had the guts to handle it. now they want to revise history and blame the whole damnned war on KERRY! well, guys...

nuts to that.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:41 PM
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2. Oh shut the fuck up
stupid white house

(I'm in a pissy mood today)
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:42 PM
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3. How about if Bush denounces the Swift Boat idiots first
After that, Kerry can talk about soft money ads.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:45 PM
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8. Dont Ya


Dont Ya just love how they try and make the other guy out to look like the bad guy???????

"he president had condemned all of the ads by these shadowy groups, and he has called on Sen. Kerry to join him in calling for an end to all the unregulated, soft money activity that is going on in this campaign," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said"

Scott show us the proof of this statment........I havent seen these word come off the lips of GWB in public yet.....and never will

Lets Stop Bul_Sh_T on Nov 2nd
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sidestreamer Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:56 PM
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14. Don't count on that.
While I'm at it, has anyone seen most of the official Bush/Cheney '04 advertisements? I can only think of two ads from him that don't focus on Kerry.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:43 PM
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34. Kerry already said he didn't endorse Move On's ads...
Now it's Bush's turn.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:42 PM
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4. "shadowy groups"
What bullshit.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:44 PM
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7. self-delete
Edited on Thu Aug-19-04 02:46 PM by Cocoa
not sure enough about this thought to post it.


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:00 PM
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18. It is a slur.
There is nothing shadowy about them.
All of these groups are right out there in public begging for more
money. It's the independence of these groups that annoys them.
They want to shut everybody up, except themselves of course.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:43 PM
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5. WTF?
Edited on Thu Aug-19-04 02:45 PM by 54anickel
Kerry hasn't objected to the Bush-bashing ads, McClellan said.


How did this get so twisted around?
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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:44 PM
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6. Tooo Late losers. Now that they see only the TRUTH works.
Dimson is an easy target for a reason. Kerry is a tough target for a reason. Turn the other cheek you right wing hypocryte.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:52 PM
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12. well put LauraK
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:49 PM
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9. changing the subject
the subject is LYING, Bush wants this to be about campaign finance law, which is not even on the table. These groups have been judged legal, end of story.

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:50 PM
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11. this is the narcissitic arrogance Bush is famous for
Edited on Thu Aug-19-04 02:52 PM by Marianne
it was pointed out during the 2000 campaign that Bush could never admit to losing. It was reported Bush made a tennis opponent who continued to beat him at the game keep playing and playing alm ost to the point of exhaustion, until Bush finally won a match. He most likely then thought he won all the games and probably bragged about how he won. He demanded in the Moore movie that people tell him "nice shot" as he was strutting and swaggering around in a field wearing his Wellies, and told reporters in the most unfeeling way after discussing the serious matter of war to watch his drive.(on the golf course)

This move is intended to make it appear that Kerry was wrong to defend himself--and of course it is a non sequitur. It is the operative mode that he used immediately by couping the election, barging in, insisting he was being wronged and taking the votes away from his own people in the most egregious display of disrespect for not only the process, but his own people. It is the operative mode he continues to use.

I agree that Kerry needs a war room that is faster on the draw, although what he does say is strong when he does reply, it lags and loses some of it's oomph because of the delay and lack of coverage by the media, who by that time are onto other things. He could use a ragin Cajun clone working for him.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:06 PM
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45. Bush* lives in a "GLASS HOUSE"...but "ALWAYS" throws stones.
Fuck him.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:56 PM
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13. Is McClellan talking to a mirror?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:57 PM
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15. Bush doesn't have the *s to call out the Swiftless vets by name
They are lying and he is part and parcel of them until he calls them out specifically.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:57 PM
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16. Kerry has denounced the latest moveon.org ad criticizing AWOL Bush
This again shows that Kerry has what it takes


Kerry is a HERO
Bush is a ZERO

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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:57 PM
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17. This would be funny if I were drunk.
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:03 PM
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19. Pathetic try by bush, Why would Kerry take the advice of a WH
so prone to tragic mistakes? Hope Kerry trivializes this challenge, it sounds like it's coming from a 10 year old kid.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:07 PM
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20. Pretty funny.
OK to raise $100's of millions from a few rich fat cats, but letting millions of Americans contribute small sums to counteract their lies is a problem? Sorry, that turd doesn't float.

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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:21 PM
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21. We're getting to them
whining is the first sign of a distressed child.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:27 PM
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22. Kerry only has to say four words:
"You first, Mr. Bush"
:evilgrin:
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:32 PM
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41. Kerry only has to say four words!
Bush* go fuck yourself.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:29 PM
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23. sorry scotty,
U guys have 2 stop lying first. Then there would B no fodder 4 these 'shadowy' groups - whatever the hell that is.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:33 PM
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24. 'shadowy groups'? Oh? Like the SWIFT BOAT VETS FOR "TRUTH"...THAT kind...
...of 'shadowy group'?

F*cking hypocrites!

HA!

Poor little W-easels. They can dish it, but they caaaan't take it. Those Kerry ads are a tad too TRUTHFUL eh?

TRUTH to a Repig is like Holy Water to a Vampire. I love to watch them screech and shrivel.

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:34 PM
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25. as soon as they get rid of all there tv and church and radio channels
we might consider it...the soft money is from the people ...not the corporations....
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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:50 PM
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29. Very good point 28erl. That is what started the need for these ads
And the 'liberal' media won't touch dimson.
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DoktorGreg Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:36 PM
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26. HAHA this is same deal Bush gave Iraq before war
EOM
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Ghetto_Boy Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:37 PM
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27. Where do they get this $62 Million from???
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:38 PM
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28. And I call on all "journalists" to condemn this ridiculous statement...
Why doesn't the White House go the whole distance and condemn free speech?
What transparent hogwash.
Of course, the media will point this totally illogical nonsense out to us.
Not.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:02 PM
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30. Oh, F&%* OFF YOU PATHETIC DOUBLE TALKING
ASSHOLES! "Intended to purge...soft money ads..." my ass. Shoulda woulda coulda. The topic would never have come up if the 'Pukes weren't getting their asses kicked by them.

How does the press sleep at night knowing full well these lying bastards keep turning the tables??? Someone needs to call them on it everytime they feed us that 'do as I say, not as I do' bullshit. This pisses me off!
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:03 PM
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31. G. W. Swift.....
Edited on Thu Aug-19-04 04:04 PM by coreystone
and the Double Standard. Not the book, not the movie, but, REALITY REPUBLICAN POLITICS.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:07 PM
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32. So who are these 'shadowy groups' Mr. Bu$h?
He certainly couldn't be referring to a legitimate organization like MoveOn.org?

Now tell me again, who it that is behind the Swift Boat Liars? I'm not really sure, they seem to be working in the shadows?




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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:12 PM
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33. Why? When Repukes are taking $ hand over fist from corporations
and drug Cos.?
:eyes:
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:54 PM
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35. This Article Is PATHETIC
God, the whores never quit. Failing to mention that Kerry condemned the very MoveOn ad this article cites (regarding Bush's supposed guard service) is either rank incompetence that should get someone fired, or something more sinister.

DTH
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 05:01 PM
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36. Someone needs a primer on "hard" vs. "soft" money
including Bush and his staff as well as McCain. The ads run by MoveOn are paid for by the MoveOn PAC. PAC money is NOT soft money. My guess is that Kerry understands the difference, but feels the need to distance himself anyway, which is unfortunate. The MoveOn PAC is regulated by the FEC. The Swifties are a 527, but not a PAC. If they Swifties were a PAC, they would only be able to accept $2K from each individual donor. They don't want to have to limit contributions, so they haven't declared themselves as a PAC. Unfortunately, a 527 BY LAW is required to be non-partisan. The MoveOn.org Organization is a 527. They only fund and promotre non-partisan activities like voter registration. The MoveOn PAC is the one that pays for ads on TV against Bush and for Kerry. That is their right as a PAC. If Bush wants to close down PAC's, he'll have to start with all the ones that support conservative and GOP candidates.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 05:09 PM
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37. I have two words for Bush:
First fucking Amendment.
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lcooksey Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 05:46 PM
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39. WTF?
When precisely did Shrubya "condemned all of the ads by these shadowy groups"? Cause that's the first I've heard of it.
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restorefreedom Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:25 PM
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40. Hi Kettle, I'm pot
This just shows how truly desperate the Cheney/Bush machine is.

They will stop at nothing.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:37 PM
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42. If the son-of-bitch can't take the heat...He needs to get his ass out
of kitchen.

Now that Bush's* polls are going down, because of all the negative ads that he encourage which have now back fired. He wants Kerry to stop all the ads that point out all the lies and deceitful things things that Bush* has done to the American people.

FUCK YOU GEORGE W. BUSH*. You can go straight to hell.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:47 PM
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43. Blackmail, pure and simple
they are insinuating that if Kerry condemns 'soft money' ads that chimp will condemn the Swiftboat liars but that would be stupid of Kerry to do because you could never trust chimp. Also the 'soft money' ads must be hurting the repukes awhole lot so KEEP THEM COMING!
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tapper Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:52 PM
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44. If only .... raise the stakes
Lousy, sanctimonious, lying administration, who apparently has no problems with the 'soft-money' swift boat smearers ...

ahem.

Got that off my chest ... now for pure fantasy -- Mr. Kerry raises the stakes, and challenges * to sign a pledge to work to get all big money out of the election process, by going to elections paid entirely by the public purse, save for very modest donations ($50-$100) to use in qualifying for funds ...

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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:18 PM
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46. Welcome to DU tapper!...I like your stratigy...Good thinking.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:35 PM
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47. will kerry please ask "So tell us George, just what war did you serve in?"
do it ad after ad, in debate after debate.

kerry appears to be a man who is comfortable with himself and does not need to prove his manhood by impugning another man's character. the attacks by bush on kerry's war record is such an affront now that i think kerry will hit bush where it stings, the uncomfortable feelings bush has about his own manhood.

as to manhood, john kerry road to the sounds of the guns, george bush hightailed it in the other direction. that is all one needs to know.

let's face it, george walker bush is a pussy, always was, always will be. nothing wrong with that; that's his business. but the damnable sin is that in effort to hide it from the world he sent thousands to their death. I hope the man rots in hell for all eternity for the needless death and destruction he has caused, all to prove his manhood.

i hope he has to endure the pain borne by each person who was killed or wounded in iraq, and feel the pain of their loved ones upon hearing of the deaths of their own beloved, for all eternity.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:59 PM
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49. Yeah, yeah, yeah
And like Bush isn't taking advantage of the 527s supporting him as well, huh? The liars of swiftboats, for example? I must say, McClellan should keep his trap shut if they're not going to condemn the swiftboats ad, but expects Kerry to condemn any criticizing Bush. What a bunch of overgrown childish hypocrites.
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