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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:21 PM
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White House Accuses Kerry Of 'Losing His Cool' Over Ads
http://www.international.nasdaq.com/asp/gmWorldNews.asp&headl">WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)


.."I do think Sen. Kerry's losing his cool shouldn't be an excuse for him to lash out at the president with false and baseless attacks," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. ..

Next week, the group will accuse Kerry of demoralizing U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam, saying Kerry's anti-war speeches when he returned from Vietnam were used by the North Vietnamese as propaganda.

The organization is funded by private sources. Its biggest contributor is Bob Perry, a Texas developer who has also given millions to the Republican Party.

McClellan declined to characterize President George W. Bush's ties to Perry other than to say, "I think he has been a supporter."

Likewise, McClellan declined to characterize any ties between Perry and Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove, other than to say the two men know each other.

"We have not been involved in this ad whatsover," McClellan said. ..

Use your Head

Put a Lid on It!
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:23 PM
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1. Good Lord
They are reaching, aren't they?

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:23 PM
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2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh, wait, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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wolfgirl Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:24 PM
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3. n/t
:kick:
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:24 PM
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4. I just heard them use the "wild eyed" term on Kerry on Inside Politics.
Yeah, right. I hope they keep using that one because it is so ridiculous it is funny
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:31 PM
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13. The "crazy" meme has been popular
They've been pulling it out a lot this campaign season.

But they mean "crazy" in the sense that the Chinese Communists and Soviets used it -- when people did not think as they ought to think, they were considered insane and in need to intensive therapy, usually conducted at gulags and prison camps. Welcome to Bush World....

Of course, just as chimpy smeared Gore as a liar, because he himself was the champion liar, so must chimpy, being totally fucking bonkers on top of being dumb as shit, must smear his opponent as psychiatrically unstable.

Hey folks -- eventually all this stuff is going to come out, and it is going to be even more disturbing than a lot of us "Kremlin Watchers" imagine that it is.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:44 PM
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26. Exactly. Busheviks ARE Bolsheviks with a different economic
philosophy.

They are Totalitarian MONSTERS, and yes, a key feature of Nazis, Commies, Busheviks, and all the rest ike them is a gift for projecting themselves on to others.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:44 PM
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59. You sure have a way with words!

"Of course, just as chimpy smeared Gore as a liar, because he himself was the champion liar, so must chimpy, being totally fucking bonkers on top of being dumb as shit, must smear his opponent as psychiatrically unstable."

I love it. It's dead on.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:25 PM
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5. The Story Is Starting To Snowball and Turn on The Bushes!!!
It's getting out of their control. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Can Kerry make
a case that Bush
broke the law?

What FEC looks for
in illegal coordination

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5772722/

INSTANT KARMA
(John Lennon)

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon you're gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin' to do
It's up to you, yeah you

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin'
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin' at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:34 PM
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16. the NYT article is excellent
thanks
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:54 PM
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55. the new york times article
the NYT made a chart that took up almost half a page. Each one of those yoyo swift boat bobos either said something totally opposite as recently as 1 year before, or signed some document years ago that totally disagrees with their present position, showing clearly in a box chart.


I LOVE IT!!!!

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:26 PM
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6. Bet W has never, ever, not even once, lost his cool
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:31 PM
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14. If The Ad. People For Kerry Were Smart...
they would put together a 30-sec. spot featuring video of all the times where Jr. has "lost his cool" and right at the end ask who has lost his cool.

But they're not.

Jay
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:47 PM
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29. They need to for they need to turn every lie/distortion on W like ugly on
an ape.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:53 PM
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31. All Of The Material Is Out There Too.
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 03:53 PM by jayfish
Their just not tough enough.

Jay
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:39 PM
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58. No...paying attention to your surroundings is required to lose your cool!
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:26 PM
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7. Any word about Chimpy chewing the rug?
The Malignant Narcissist in Chief must be pretty pissed off for being outed as a deserter. Given his known volutility, and especially his shaky status as a "dry drunk" with a hair-trigger temper, I bet Snotty McC has some things he's holding back about people near and dear to him "losing their cool."

Fuck these Nazis....
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:27 PM
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8. Let's keep Bush's feet on the coal all the way to his convention
on this issue.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:29 PM
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9. Cry Me A River!
And float a Swift boat on it.

:nopity:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:30 PM
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10. but false and baseless attacks will do that Scott
:crazy:
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:30 PM
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11. "...I think he has been a suppoter.."
Like Bush didn't know Kenny "Boy" Lay that well and let's not forget that Bush also didn't know Ahmed Chalabi well either.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:30 PM
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12. First, he's "Lurch", now he's "Freddy Krueger"
This is actually getting fun to watch!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:33 PM
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15. he's crazy like Gore!
he must have gone crazy in Vietnam, like McCain did.

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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:06 PM
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37. I had a sense of been here, done that...
That is where the McInsane meme came from

The lies were so vicious, he got angry & rightly so.

Then, the stress of 5 1/2 yrs in a POW camp had finally gotten to him.

Have they no shame?

No, they don t.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:34 PM
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17. Scotty - there is a special place in hell for liars, you know. I would be
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 03:40 PM by yellowcanine
careful about what I say if I were you.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:34 PM
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18. I'm not one to say this often,
but there really is a special place in Hell for these guys.

They should read Dante's Inferno and get an idea of the punishments which they ewill be facing in the hereafter.

You see how upset they've got me? Im Jewish for crying out loud and I'm hoping for a Christian hell just for these liars. I guess I'm 'losing my cool'.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:09 PM
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57. High five! This Wiccan had the same thought -
let em fry in a medieval version of Hell.

Hell, I don't even believe in Hell and I hope they fry in it.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:35 PM
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19. AAR radio news reported that a Kerry campaign person
sorry, don't remember the name, came back immediately with a reply which was that :
Bush is behind/ responsible for this ad.

wow--that is what is needed. They know they cannot get away with it. If only the networks would play the reply when they play the Bush liars -- I hope.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:37 PM
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20. Bwahahaha that ain't going to fly
whatever anyone can say about Kerry losing his cool is not one of them. :crazy: Kerry is so cool B-) that the concern has been he needed to show more passion and emotion, the repukes are pathetic with their desperation.x(
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:40 PM
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22. Good One -NT-
Jay
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:58 PM
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35. Oh, yeah. Great point. They "flipflopped" with their insults!
Did it without any awareness they'd crossed over from the image they were using, as Piperay pointed out, to a Kerry foaming at the mouth, and coming apart at the seams.

Pathetic @**holes.

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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:39 PM
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21. McClellan's boilerplate today: "shadowy groups," "losing his cool"
McClellan kept referring to "shadowy groups" and unregulated soft money. The press corps kept asking him about the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group's ties to the Bushes, but McClellan wouldn't get into that. I would love it if someone asked him if Merrie Spaeth and Bob Perry comprise a "shadowy group."

The other thing McClellan kept repeating was that Senator Kerry was "losing his cool." Considering that Kerry was investigating Reagan administration scandals at a time when McClellan's boss, Bush, was still drinking and screaming obscenities at Al Hunt, I don't think it's wise for McClellan to keep harping on losing one's cool.

By the way, I find these self-righteous poses just infuriating. Bush and McClellan both pull these stunts. It's obvious they're mendacious and evil and venal and selfish, but they behave as though they believe they are morally superior to Jesus Christ.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:41 PM
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23. This is great
The white house has validated the truth about the swiftboat liars by immediately attacking Kerry. Let's watch the drama unfold, folks!

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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:42 PM
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24. Kerry's response should be
You're damn right I'm angry. These liars are impugning my service to this country, so yes, I'm pretty angry. Anyone would be.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:50 PM
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30. Not just his service - anyone's service
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mctrotter5 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:44 PM
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25. Kerry is going to have to get down and roll in the mud with
these hypocrites.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:44 PM
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27. Rove is laughing. Kerry is on the ropes. This one CAN be lost!!!!
Kerry has been on the defensive since before the election. Each week the WH (or friends) pick another theme: Kerry is __________________ (a Jane Fonda devotee, one of most liberal senators, a flip-flopper, a cowardly short-time in country vet who's dishonest about war record, now "wide-eye" and prone to "losing cool"). It's amazing to watch this man (Rove) work! He knows exactly how Kerry will react and Kerry never disappoints. Now he's got his fist stuck in another tar-baby. He's constantly on the defensive and constantly playing catch-up.

If he doesn't stop listening and reacting to Rove and start going on the offense, then I'm afraid it's four more W. years, and THAT prospect is as disturbing as anything I can imagine actually happening.

Kerry! No more defense! Or, only use defense to counter-punch. But focus on offense. Or all is lost.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 05:02 PM
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46. Great advice
but it's likely "pearls before swine". I'm sure that Kerry's campaign isn't taking notes from the electorate. We're just the minions getting whiplash and dispepsia watching Kerry swat back overhead smashes. We cheer when he manages to keep the ball in in-court. He's just not a street-fighter like Rove and apparently nobody on his campaign is either.

Gyre
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:46 PM
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28. So Kerry is normally "cool"? Is this an endorsement?
Glad to have you on board, Scott!! :D
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:53 PM
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32. Kerry lost his Kools?
I didn't know he smoked, but I hear smokers can get very cranky without a cig.....oh wait...nevermind.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:54 PM
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33. When John Kerry indeed gets pissed that little snotty nose Scott McClellan
will know it and will not indeed be able to utter a snide remark, or even dare to look cross eyed.

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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 03:56 PM
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34. Just sent the Kerry Campaign an email and told them they need to
start talking about the Bush Policy to do away with overtime takes effect this coming Monday. I told him he needs to talk about this as much as possible especially over the weekend. I know many people, Republicans included, have no idea that their overtime could be cut off next week. People usually vote their pocketbooks so this is a great way Kerry can demonstrate how Bush tries to hurt families.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:35 PM
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54. I agree - amazing how that one has flown
way under the radar.

He could demonstrate his intention to take the high road by doing this, as well -- getting off all the silly Vietnam back and forth (I'll admit I'm pretty tired of the whole thing myself) and getting back to the issues that will really affect real people -- now.

I would like to see him take charge of the situation, and get out of a defensive position. They'll keep throwing crap at him, but he needs to employ all the other democrats out there to keep hitting back while he makes a big deal out of the important stuff.

And then, of course, hope the media actually covers that...
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:03 PM
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36. I'm afraid they are a bit off key here....
Seems Kerry's nerves and temper came through the fires of Vietnam. Having been in charge of a unit; having navigated the rivers on a swift boat; having to decide life and death decisions in an instant have made him hardened like steel against trivial child's play such as this.

BRING IT ON!
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:12 PM
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39. what does the GOP know about "cool"
nada
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:22 PM
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40. I suggest the ad, per se, is not the big problem, rather the media with
its anti-Kerry coverage.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:27 PM
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41. MCCAIN IS SUPPORTING THESE ATTACKS BY KEEPING HIS
MOUTH SHUT!!! HE SHOULD PUT PRESSURE ON BUSHCO TO STOP THIS SORT OF THING, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THERESA LEFT THE PARTY! bunch of scumbag liars, the whole lot of them. This is going to be the last straw to blow up in Bush's ugly fucking lying face!
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:32 PM
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42. Fuck the White House! Especially that ass kissing fool Scott McClellan!
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 04:33 PM by Tight_rope
He is such a fool...Being used to do the dirty work Bushco because the rest of the group has already disgraced themselves all the way to hell.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:34 PM
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43. I almost threw my remote at the screen when he said that.
You wanna see somebody lose their cool?! WAGH!
*Remote crashes through TV screen*

Whoops. ;-)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:36 PM
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44. "demoralizing U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam"???
I wasn't aware the POWs were watching CSPAN and so well-informed of Congressional testimony. Do tell, SwiftLiars!
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 04:49 PM
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45. McClellan...........a great stand-up comic actor
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 04:50 PM by Feeney2
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 05:07 PM
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47. Racicot also said "unhinged"
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_08_15_atrios_archive.html#109303885084378264

Marc Racicot: "I think they have comepletely unhinged. Senator Kerry, Tad, although I've certainly had time to get to know him, he looks to me to be wild-eyed."


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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 05:13 PM
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48. This is what the American people think about junior and his phony
Swift Boat liars.

Swift Boat Politics: Do you believe Sen. Kerry or the veterans behind the ad? * 131,915 responses, that's an awful lot of voters, 'eh?

Sen. Kerry
62%

Veterans
38%

But where does Snotty McClellan stand with the average American? I'll tell 'ya, in the fucking toilet full of junior's shit.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 05:40 PM
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49. Gore-ing Kerry again
which is it? are they emotionless and robotic? Or hotheads out of control?

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE!!!

What BS.

McClelland is SOOOOO ineffective and annoying.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:37 PM
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50. Really. That thud you hear is the sound of the load that just hit Rove's
pants. Can't have it both ways. He can't be Lurch and Gomez Addams.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:46 PM
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51. So that's how he won those cases
As a prosecutor?

He just lost his cool, and the jury convicted out of fear of the crazy attorney?

Let's see, who has more self control--a District Attorney, or a coke-head, foul mouthed, several-times-arrested deserter?

Gotta think about this one . . .
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:49 PM
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52. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boohahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:kick: *
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:09 PM
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53. Hey, Nambe
Is there a link for this?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:57 PM
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56. OK, it's time to turn the tables. Bush was AWOL
So beat him with the AWOL stick, and when he whines, tell everyone he's not cool headed. And on top of that- it would be telling the truth. Not lying like these clowns are.
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