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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:26 AM
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Thousands Registered to Vote in 2 States-Report
NEW YORK (Reuters)


About 46,000 people are registered to vote in two states, New York and Florida, a violation of both states' laws that could affect the outcome of the November presidential election, according to an investigation by the Daily News.

Many New Yorkers spend the winter months in sunny Florida, which played a pivotal role in the 2000 election after George W. Bush narrowly won the state in a contested ballot recount. Florida could be a crucial state in the November presidential election.

The New York tabloid examined computer records to ferret out duplicate registrations in New York City and Florida.

The Daily News said it could not provide an exact count of how many people vote in both places, because millions of names are purged between elections. But the newspaper found that between 400 and 1,000 registered voters voted twice in at least one election, a federal offense punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Of the 46,000 registered in both states, 68 percent are Democrats, 12 percent are Republicans and 16 percent didn't align themselves with a party, the newspaper reported on Sunday. ..

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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:23 PM
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1. Everyone knows you can't vote twice
in the same election.

I have no symapthy. They need to be punished severely.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:58 PM
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10. I don't think they vote twice, but rather
vote in whichever state they are in, I hope they are not absentee voting in the other state,while living and voting in one. Spounds like a felony.
Americans want convenience. So f*k'n lazy, when absentee voting is so convenient when you get it.
I wonder about other repub state voters, like all the Alaskans who come to SoCal for half the year
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 02:41 PM
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12. Register in two states
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 02:44 PM by Yupster
should get you a polite letter to cancel one within some date.

Vote in two states should get you jail time and loss of voting priviledges. I have no tolerance for that.

Article said it found evidence that between 400 and 1,000 voted in both states.

Why mostly Democratic? Because most people in New York are Democratic and that's who these people who move to Florida are. A large group of New Yorkers moving to Florida would be retired Jewish voters who would vote overwhelmingly Democratic, except when they vote for Pat Buchanon.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:10 PM
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20. apparently there is little interaction between
thw two different states. Doe you know if they voted in the same elections in the different states? that would indeed be a travesty. however 400 to 1000 isa small number. my guess is too lazy to change the paperwork on the majority.
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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:37 PM
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2. I seriously doubt of much of this is intentional.
Most likely they are retired and relocated and forgot to cancel their NY registration.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:09 PM
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5. cancel registration?
Are you supposed to do that if you move?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:22 PM
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7. I didn't know that, either.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:45 PM
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3. There's something fishy about this...
"Of the 46,000 registered in both states, 68 percent are Democrats, 12 percent are Republicans and 16 percent didn't align themselves with a party.."

Why is this section of the population so heavily Democrat? Only 12% Repuke? Sounds like another illegal voter purge to me - and how convenient that Florida is one of the states in question.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:58 PM
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4. Why Democrat?
Because they're from New York.

I have no problem with making these people pick one state to vote in.

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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:19 PM
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6. They could also be from Florida.
I still think this smells of Repuke voter purging.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:29 PM
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8. That doesn't make sense
Why would someone in Florida deliberately establish residency in New York? The reason people in the northern states establish residency in TN, TX or FL is because of extremely favorable rules regarding tax, the value of your house, or both.

There is no way in hell I would ever establish residency in a Northern state if I was already living in one of the named southern states.

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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:38 PM
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21. Hey, I used to vacation in Florida all the time
and I would never establish residency there.

Your argument is the one that doesn't make sense.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 02:39 PM
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11. the purge is on
yes, i agree with you.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:41 PM
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9. So are these people with the same last names,
and very similar first names or initials, a la the Choicepoint purge lists?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:08 PM
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13. Intimidation of the elderly
who know by know Bush is personally screwing them over. 2002- shakedown of a nursing home in Vermont(?), 2000- Florida- 2004 - Florida again with elderly black campaign workers getting visits from the FBI.

Always Democrats. Always the people they can scare. What does the GOP have to do? Carve out their fraud and disenfranchisement policy in stone and put in the Capitol?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:30 PM
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14. So why didn't the article mention which party those who voted twice
belonged to?

Just asking. If they know that someone voted twice, then they also know the party affiliation of those who voted twice. My guess would be that the majority of the people who voted twice are republicans, or it seems to me the NYDN would have mentioned that they were Democrats or other party voters.

Something stinks. However, if those who voted twice are indeed republicans, this could end up a plus.

From the posted article.

"The Daily News said it could not provide an exact count of how many people vote in both places, because millions of names are purged between elections. But the newspaper found that between 400 and 1,000 registered voters voted twice in at least one election, a federal offense punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine."

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DemVIctory Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:59 PM
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15. Cancel registration?
I moved from Iowa to down here in Florida last year. Do I actually have to cancel my Iowa voter registration?
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Radius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 04:49 PM
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16. Part of the registeration..
When I have moved the registration card has had a section that you can fill out to cancel your previous registration. It is easy to miss though.

As long as you don't vote in two states you should be ok..
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 04:52 PM
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17. I looked at my card
There is nothing on it that says I am supposed to cancel it if I move.
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Radius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 05:02 PM
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19. Our Form
Looks like this. They use your previous address information to purge you from county/state rolls. It is the registration form, not the card.

As long as people don't vote in two places, it is just a paperwork snafu.

http://www.app.sboe.state.nc.us/

(adobe)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 04:55 PM
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18. I expect Florida will solve the problem....
By purging the rolls of anyone who "looks like" a New Yorker. (You know, the one with the Kerry bumperstickers)
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