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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:04 PM
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Swift boat eyewitness writes moving, devastating letter to the editor
http://www.telluridegateway.com/articles/2004/08/20/news/opinion/opinion01.txt

Letters to the editor

A veteran for truth

Dear Editor,

This letter is in response to the new attacks on John Kerry's war record by a group calling itself the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." As for most veterans of any war and as people who know me will testify, it is not easy for me to talk about my experiences in Vietnam. However, because of these new ads and, I understand, a new book recently published by an old Charles Colson "Enemies List" hit man, I feel compelled to speak out. Unfortunately, the veterans featured in these attacks are being used by extreme right wing Bush supporters to spread their lies and malign John Kerry.

I feel that most of these veterans who are joining this attack are against Kerry for what he did after he was home from the war than for what he did in the war. If they are against him for his stance against the Vietnam War, that certainly is their right, but to spread lies and malicious innuendos about his time on the rivers of Vietnam is not morally right and does a disservice not only to Kerry, but to all those who served and were wounded or died in that war. The people who are using these veterans for their own means obviously do not care about that. They did the same thing to Senator John McCain and Congressman Max Cleland in 2000 with no remorse or care for the consequences.

To me what is worse is that by their silence, the current administration has not, with any real meaning, disavowed itself or distanced itself in anyway from any of these scurrilous attacks, past or present. I feel that this truly shows the Bush administration for what they really are and ultimately, who is truly responsible for these attacks.

Since I happened to be along on one of the "excursions" where the boats that we were on were attacked and after which Lt. Kerry was cited for valor, I thought it appropriate to give my recollection of that event. This happened on March 13, 1969. I was assigned as Psychological Operation Officer for the Swift Boat group out of An Thoi, Vietnam, from January 1969 to October 1969. As such, I was on No. 43 boat, skippered by Don Droz who was later that year killed by enemy fire. We were second in line while exiting the river and going through the opening in a fish trap when a mine blew up under the No. 3 boat directly in front of us and we started taking small arms fire from the beach. Almost immediately, another mine went off somewhere behind us. All boats, except the one hit, immediately wheeled toward the beach that most of the fire came from (a tactic devised by Lt. Kerry, I later learned) and commenced showering the beaches with so much lead, that it could probably be now mined there. The noise was of course, deafening.

Three things that are forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago are: (1) The No. 3, 50-foot long, Swift boat getting huge, huge air; John Kerry thought it was about two feet. (He was farther away from it than I). I think it was at least four feet and probably closer to six feet; (2) All the boats turning left and letting loose at the same time like a deadly, choreographed dance and; (3) A few minutes later, John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river.

The picture I have in my mind of Kerry bending over from his boat picking some hapless guy out of the river while all hell was breaking loose around us, is a picture based on fact and it cannot be disputed or changed. It's a piece of history drawn in my mind that cannot be redrawn. Sorry, "Swift Boats Veterans for the Truth"- that is the truth.

To say that John Kerry or any of us were on that river to intentionally collect Purple Hearts really does every soldier and sailor, past and present, a disservice. We were going up those rivers (with an ongoing casualty rate of 86 percent at the time) on the orders of the same people who approved of Kerry's medals and who are now joining in the attacks against Kerry. Unbelievable.

I would hope that the American public sees these evil extreme right wing attacks for what they really are and also pray that the veterans being used by these unpatriotic right wing extremist political operatives will divorce themselves immediately from them and speak to the real issues as to why they oppose John Kerry. I just don't understand how anyone can align themselves with those who intentionally and gleefully painted a decorated triple amputee (Max Cleland) from Vietnam as unpatriotic. I think that this is the most disastrous, un-American thing that can be done to our servicemen and women, especially now with another unending war going on. Your ends cannot possibly justify these means. Come on!

Jim Russell

Vietnam veteran,

USN (1966-71)


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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:09 PM
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1. Wow! If This Is Authentic...
then it is a devastating repudiation of the SBL's. Nice Find.

Jay
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:16 PM
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5. Thank you so much for the link!
n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:12 PM
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2. why doesn't the main stream media pick it up?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:19 PM
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6. It just came out
You need to give them at least five days to notice.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:21 PM
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9. God, that is the truth and this is their damn job.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:26 PM
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11. Should someone send the link to them?
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 03:22 AM
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26. Telluride Letter
I copied and pasted the letter to most of media addresses listed by one of the posters - and then started to worry that the media will ignore the veteran's letter and focus on the "cheese guy."
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:12 PM
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3. That will shake up the repukes on Monday..nt
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:13 PM
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4. Thanks to Mr. Russell
and to all Vets who are being smeared by this vile misadministration's loathesome lackeys.

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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:23 PM
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10. I love that image. It's so true. I've emailed it to everybody I know.
nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:29 PM
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13. I love that graphic - so true.
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Norbert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 02:53 AM
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25. I just E-mailed your image to one of my old friends
So Very True and sad.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 09:59 AM
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34. Have you sent your image to MoveOn.Org?
It would make a GREAT ad in the papers, and they have the resources to do it!
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 03:53 PM
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38. I'll second that
That is a very hard-hitting, very clear and absolutely devastating graphic. Immediately gets the point across. Send it!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:19 PM
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7. Great letter! I hope that

a few more vets who were there will come forward.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:20 PM
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8. This just brought me to tears... How dare these bastards force
these painful memories on these guys-- who only wanted to live their lives out the best they could. Now, they either relive these memories and speak out, or are painted with the shameful lies that these vile Veterans for Bush liars are positing.

I'm just young enough to have few friends/family members who served, but not so young that I don't remember intensely the horror of Vietnam. I'm sorry guys (and women who also served). Maybe the bit of pain I feel at this situation, can lighten that of your own.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:28 PM
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12. How sad is it, an AWOL and draft dodger calling a War Veteran unpatriotic
When and if the last man you send over there and out there decides not to protect you, don't say no one told you so.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:45 PM
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14. Mr. Jim Russell, I salute you ... I'm speechless!
Thanks for the post.
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phiddle Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:07 AM
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15. Let's start spamming.
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poliguru Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:34 AM
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17. Don't overlook papers in swing states
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 12:34 AM by poliguru
Sending directly to specific papers sometimes gets it in quicker - nt as many people have to approve it. We should esp. send to papers in swing states - don't overlook suburban and rural papers - that's where most Bush people live.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 02:45 AM
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24. Spamming the media whores is good
But has anyone sent this to the Kerry/Edwards campaign, just to make sure they have it too? Might be a good idea.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 01:59 PM
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42. And it's even better now - Check the updated version in Activism/Events
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 02:01 PM by calimary
Updated as of (at least) 7/9/04 - although there's later stuff in there, now, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=8816&mesg_id=8816
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:14 AM
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16. In my news rag today also....Newsday-Long Island
A refreshing read......'bout time.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:36 AM
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18. read the letter below it
Good grief, I haven't laughed so hard in weeks. Some repuke asshole in a big SUV got a bit of a comeuppance in Telluride.

Well, interesting to know what can happen to you if you drive a big hulking gashog and plaster bush stickers all over the behemoth.


Cher
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:46 AM
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19. Cheese under the windshield wipers ... hope it was a good French cheese
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 01:01 AM by Bozita
good and soft and creamy.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 01:04 AM
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20. While I can laugh at the cheese and the defacing of the stickers
Doing the other damage was not cool. And I don't like the attitude from the waitperson. Maybe the people in Telluride are ticked about how they're treated in the Repug areas of Colorado.

I wouldn't appreciate anyone doing anything to my vehicle cause of my Kerry/Edwards sticker.

So far I've had no problems or road rage incidents. Well except for me making sure I got in front of a vehicle that had a Stop Kerry sticker so he could see my Kerry/Edwards. :evilgrin:

I hope we can find out if this vet is truly who he says he is - I would think the newspaper would vet it. Is the newspaper really called the Daily Planet - anyone know how that came about? So cool.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 01:10 AM
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21. rotflmao ... Thanks, I needed that
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 09:07 AM
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31. Well, this right-wing fruitcake
is most likely from colorado springs. I have not seen many B/C '04 stickers in colorado. There is also a lack of support for Coors in Denver. Pete Coors and shove his moose swill up his own ass.

Colorado has had seen a major dwindling support for the chimp and believe it or not, most of polls here are indicating that Colorado will be a battleground state, and it is. We may as well be the sleeper state that Kerry could win very easily. Kerry has big support because of the vets here, citizens here, and one most important fact: Kerry is a native son of Colorado.

Hawkeye-X
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 01:53 AM
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22. I think Chris Matthews deserves a lot of credit
for turning the tide against this immoral attack on Kerry when he blasted Michele Maulkin (or whatever the hell that idiot bitch's name is) out of the water for spreading lies.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 03:42 AM
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27. Free Republic Bombed MSNBC email boxes
The Nazi's at Free Republic bombed both Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann's email boxes over their on-air comments about the Asian Ann Coulter want-to-be.

Keith wrote a little about it in the MSNBC blog. He also bashed that SBVT ho some more in his blog comments. They were great!


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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 02:19 AM
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23. I hope that second letter-writer reads the first letter
he really needs to read it
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 04:08 AM
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28. Two More Vietnam Vets Come Forward For Kerry
First time either have spoken pubically. One is a Republican House Rep and Veteran for Bush!

Washington Post Article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24891-2004Aug22.html

…The campaign got some unexpected help from Wisconsin Republican Rep. Terry M. Musser, a Vietnam veteran and co-chairman of Veterans for Bush. Musser lambasted the Bush-Cheney campaign in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1) over Republican attacks on Kerry's military record. "I think it's un-American to be attacking someone's service record. Period," Musser said in a Washington Post telephone interview. "The president has an opportunity here to stand up and demand that the attacks be stopped." (See additional articles below)

In Colorado, Jim Russell, who participated in Swift boat operations when Kerry did, wrote a letter to the editor of the Telluride Daily Planet to angrily dispute the claim that Kerry was not under enemy fire when he rescued Jim Rassman from the water, a feat that brought Kerry a Bronze Star and Purple Heart….(2)
--END—

VERY IMPORTANT: Read all these articles and letters closely, particular Jim Russell’s letter, Vietnam veteran, USN (1966-71). Russell’s letter is right on the money and he nails these SBVT frauds for what they are. Very emotional and powerful letter!

(1) Attack on Kerry's war record riles GOP rep: (See add’l articles below)
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/aug04/253040.asp

(2) Letter to the Editor, A veteran for Truth - Jim Russell, Vietnam veteran, USN (1966-71)
http://www.telluridegateway.com/articles/2004/08/20/news/opinion/opinion01.txt

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Additional Articles: Rep. Terry Musser Denouncing O’Neill’s SBVT organization:

(1a.) GOP Vets Chair Calls for an End to "Wrong" Attack Ads Against Kerry
Full article: http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=21651

MADISON – The Chair of the Assembly Veterans and Military Affairs Committee today called on a group of Bush-Cheney supporters to stop running misleading ads about John Kerry’s war record. State Representative Terry Musser, who also serves on the Veterans for Bush steering committee, told Wisconsin Public Radio today that it was wrong for the GOP to attack to Kerry for his service in the war. President Bush, however, has yet to call for the ads to be pulled off the air.

(1b.) From a Second Source:
http://www.tomahjournal.com/articles/2004/08/19/opinion/01edswiftboat.txt

It's obvious that military authorities believed Kerry's account, and the SBVT ad indicts the military's judgment as much as it indicts Kerry. Perhaps that's why Republican military veterans such as state Rep.Terry Musser of Black River Falls and Arizona U.S. Sen. John McCain have condemned the ad. By raising doubts about the procedures in which Purple Hearts, Silver Stars and Bronze Stars are awarded, SBVT casts doubt on every military honor bestowed during the Vietnam Era.

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* Beltway Republicans Against Bush-Cheney ‘04, Inc.*
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 02:03 PM
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43. Good collection - Welcome to DU!
Thanks for adding this in!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 04:20 AM
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29. Thank you for posting this....
What a fantastic letter... too bad timmy did not get to see and read it on MTP Sunday...

:(
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 08:14 AM
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30. How do we send it to K-E headquarters?
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 08:14 AM by connecticut yankee
I tried posting it on the official website, but couldn't figure out how to do it.

If anyone knows how, please do it (If you haven't already done so).
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 09:45 AM
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32. Great find! Please send all such links to:
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bushalert Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 09:56 AM
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33. Awesome......
I just posted the article on my website

http://www.bushalert.com
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:51 AM
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35. Needs a little
:kick:
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 03:31 PM
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36. The spamming worked!
The Washington Post quoted from the letter this morning and The Daily Howler used the same quote.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 03:45 PM
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37. kick!
:kick:
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 05:23 PM
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39. kick
:kick:
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Julian English Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:25 PM
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40. Another Swift Boat Veteran
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 07:25 PM by Julian English
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4859

First Mr. Rood, then Mr. Russel. Now Mr. Sanders.

Wade Sanders served in the Navy with John Kerry in Vietnam and, with several other such veterans, has come out strongly in support of Kerry's presidential campaign. Sanders, who once shared an apartment with Kerry before the two went to Vietnam, said he commanded a Swift Boat in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry. "We operated together on a number of actions with Swift Boats," Sanders said in an August 18 phone interview as he traveled in Minnesota on a campaign trip for Kerry. He said he was not present at any of the incidents now in dispute, however.

"I believe that John Kerry is telling the truth about all of those events," said Sanders. Asked if there was any controversy about Kerry's versions of events at the time, he said, "I didn't hear anything. Roy Hoffmann and other wrote glowing fitness reports about him.... George Elliott admired John Kerry in Vietnam."

(Snip)


Sanders also said that Kerry's claim that he went into Cambodia was credible. "I personally went into Cambodia...," he said. "I wasn't ordered in on a mission. The border was ill-defined. But my understanding is that others were ordered into Cambodia on missions."

Sanders called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the veterans' group disputing Kerry's claims, "Swift Boat Veterans for Bush." "I am partisan and I am being honest about it," he said.


I would appreciate it others would see if they can find out more about Mr. Sander and even consider starting a thread on this.

Thank you.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 01:49 PM
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41. Sanders took part in the "Winter Soldier Investigation". . .
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 01:53 PM by frankzappa
sponsored by Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

You can get it at www.wintersoldier.com

Anyway, here's the link: (scroll down 2/3 of the way)
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:dRK9kCzicEIJ:ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php%3Fpage%3D20040613195930656+wade%2Bsanders%2Bblack%2Bcat%2Bdivision&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

<snip>
Wade R. Sanders Lt. Coastal Division 13 "Black Cat Division" NAVFORV May '68-May '69

In July 1968 I was in a swift boat operation patrolling the mouth of the Bo-De River -- a known VC area. At the time we were operating under the standard naval rules of engagement. There was a specific rule stating we were not to fire unless fired upon.

As we came out of the river, my gunners mate observed two individuals jumping a small stream near the river's mouth, about 200 yards away. They were unarmed. He didn't fire.

There was no reason to take action. No action was taken.

I sent a message in to my operational commander -- a routine report:

*Personnel observed moving. For your information, this unit while patrolling passed out of river, and observed two personnel running. Attempted to notify sector, but unable to establish communication. Personnel visible for only 10-15 seconds. No action taken by this unit.*

My immediate superior received the following reply:

*Reference A indicates possibility that Black Cat Division acting like *censored* cat division. Get this guy squared away. Area noted by reference A is definite Indian Country. Regardless of communication problem of sector, good judgment indicates that personnel should have been taken under fire.

Headquarters*

<snip>

BTW, the *censored* word is PUSSY. And it was listed in the book "The New Soldier" as "pussy cat division"


Hope this is helpful. It's probably worth a thread of it's own.

:nuke:

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 02:07 PM
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44. Welcome to DU!
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 02:38 PM
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45. This in from Pittsburgh...
For 35 years, Rich Baker seldom talked about Vietnam, Swift boats or John Kerry's ability as a young naval officer.

But now, with Republican partisans challenging Kerry's wartime record, Baker said he feels compelled to strike back.

"Every Swift boat officer gave his all in Vietnam, but Kerry stood above the rest of us," said Baker, 61, of Scott, a former Navy lieutenant and Swift boat commander. "He was number one as far as courageousness and aggressiveness. He set the tone."

Campaign aides to Kerry, the Democratic candidate for president, yesterday asked Baker to speak out publicly to counter television ads attacking Kerry's military record.

<snip>

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pp/04237/366585.stm



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