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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:27 PM
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Swift Boat Author Tells Nixon He Was In Cambodia, Later Clarifies
(08-25) 15:57 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

The chief critic of John Kerry's military record told President Nixon in 1971 that he had been in Cambodia in a swift boat during the Vietnam War -- a claim at odds with his recent statements that he was not.

"I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border," said John E. O'Neill in a conversation that was taped by the former president's secret recording system. The tape is stored at the National Archives in College Park, Md.

In an interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday, O'Neill did not dispute what he said to Nixon, but insisted he was never actually in Cambodia.

-SNIP-

Chad Clanton, a spokesman for the Democratic presidential candidate, said the tape "is just the latest in a long line of lies and false statements from a group trying to smear John Kerry's military service. Again, they're being proven liars with their own words. It's time for President Bush to stand up and specifically condemn this smear."

-SNIP-

In an interview Sunday on ABC's "This Week" O'Neill said: "Our boats didn't go north of, only slightly north of Sedek," which he said was about 50 miles from the Cambodian border.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:30 PM
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1. Was he lying to his GOP God Nixon, or is he lying now?
Should not be a tough call for the media.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:26 PM
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18. Or was he lying on Sunday!
It was "in Cambodia" in '71, 100 yds from Cambodia today, and 50 miles away on Sunday!

snip>
In an interview Sunday on ABC's "This Week" O'Neill said: "Our boats didn't go north of, only slightly north of Sedek," which he said was about 50 miles from the Cambodian border.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:31 PM
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2. So, O'Neill says he lied to President Nixon?
My goodness, the man is just so enmeshed in his fabrications, I wonder if he even knows what's true anymore? Seems a bit unstable to me, if you know what I mean. Probably got screwed up in 'Nam. A lot of those guys did, you know.
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neoteric lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:32 PM
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3. Can I get a "drip drip" for these
Swift Boat liars. This will all turn out to hurt Bush in the end, once it is shown that these allegations are compleely false.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:12 PM
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12. Bush Bandar 04 ... I love it. Speaks volumes of truth.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:35 PM
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4. Same Story Breaking Now on Front Page of Yahoo!
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:41 PM
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5. The AP is bending over backwards to be "fair" to O'Neill - what the fuck?
They sure don't do that for Kerry when Kerry is telling the truth - but somehow they have to give O'Neill every chance to explain his lies.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:48 PM
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6. Here's how TPM called it:
How many times do they have to get caught making false claims, unsubstantiated assertions or putting forward witnesses who weren't there, before they cease to have any credibility and get treated as such in the media?

At the moment the standard seems to be, "Okay, on your first nineteen claims, it seems like you were lying to us, but send along number twenty and we'll run that one up the flag pole too."

****

I'd say that Joshua has it pretty well pegged.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:09 PM
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10. The media is worse now than in 2000!
And many of us thought that would be hard to do!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:39 PM
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16. Wow. The editorialist Josh links to may have crossed a line.
    "...while it's not even documented that John Kerry spilled a drop of his own blood in Vietnam. The bar for heroism was lowered dramatically from one war to the next."


So now *ALL* awards from Vietnam are suspect, given that the "bar for heroism was lowered." A Congressional panel should be put in place to review all Vietnam-era medals.

Wow.

Here's the link to the drivel (at GOPUSA.com): link
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:54 PM
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7. So O'Neill lied to the President of the United States of America
that's treasonous. To his Commander-in-Chief?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:51 PM
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20. Bush lies all the time and media loves him for it
Bush lies to the media, and if they don't help him spread the lies, he beats them up. They love him more the more he lies and beats them and they always come back for more.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:07 PM
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8. O'Neill's little "border dispute" (from SBVT-Gate: The File
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 07:09 PM by skip fox
which can be seen in full, with hot links, in DU's Editorial section):

John O'Neill himself, having claimed recently never to have been in Cambodia,
but in 1971 claimed otherwise. In an 24 Aug. 04 report on Aaron Brown by
Joe Johns:

<snip>

JOHNS: . . . John O'Neill said Kerry made up a story about being in Cambodia
beyond the legal borders of the Vietnam War in 1968. O'Neill said no one could
cross the border by river and he claimed in an audio tape that his publicist played
to CNN that he, himself, had never been to Cambodia either. But in 1971, O'Neill
said precisely the opposite to then President Richard Nixon.

(starts tape)
O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.
NIXON: In a swift boat?
O'NEILL: Yes, sir.
(end tape)

JOHNS: Now, O'Neill may have an explanation for this but he has not returned
CNN's calls. What does seem clear is that a top member of the swift boat group
is now being held to the same standard of literal accuracy they've tried to impose
on John Kerry –
. . .

BROWN: And just quickly on the O'Neill thing, just for my edification here,
Mr. O'Neill's publicist played for you a tape where Mr. O'Neill says what again?

JOHNS: Well, he says in the tape essentially that he did not go to Cambodia,
plain and simple. He says that a couple times in fact in this little short interview
that was played for me on the phone. Now, of course, as you listen to that
conversation with Richard Nixon, he says something completely different or,
at least, that's what it sounds like --

<snip>

By the 25th of Aug. on the Hannity and Colmes show, O'Neill had figured how
to seem to answer this:

<snip>

COLMES: You claimed at one point you weren't , and then you claimed
you were. This is very confusing to people.

O'NEILL: Well, it shouldn't be confused. I was never in Cambodia, and Kerry
lied when he said he was in Cambodia.

COLMES: You said to Richard Nixon you were in Cambodia.

. . .

HANNITY: On the border.

COLMES: There's a tape of you saying that to Richard Nixon.

O'NEILL: What's the next sentence? I was along the Cambodian border.
That's exactly right. What I told Nixon and was trying to tell him in this
meeting was I was along the Cambodian border.

<snip>

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250004


But the problem with that is he'd earlier claimed that not only no one
went into Cambodia, that no one came within 30 miles of the border:

<snip>

O'Neill: . . .everyone familiar with the entire operation series knows
that the PCF, the Swift Boat areas, stopped just north of Sa-Dec, some
50 miles from the border. The areas further north were PBRs--smaller
boats--and that the border was heavily guarded to ensure that nobody
could go across it.

(Interviewer): There were navy gunboats anchored in the Mekong River
Channel, through which a Swift Boat would have to pass.

O' NEILL: Yes. It would have been apprehended 30 miles before. But
were placed there because in 1967 some drunken Army guys actually
went up that river and were interned in Cambodia. And so to avoid future i
ncidents, those gunboats were placed there. And we checked with the c
ommander of those gunboats, whose name is Tom Anderson. He's also in the book.

<snip>

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4835

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x775416#775520
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:15 PM
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14. He lied to his "Commander in Chief"? Like North lied to Congress?
Sounds like a liar.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:07 PM
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9. Swift Boat Writer Lied on Cambodia Claim !!! Yahoo headline, Rate it 5!!!
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:09 PM
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11. Is the swift boat full of lies sinking yet?
I'd say it's a media Titanic.


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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:13 PM
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13. depends on your meaning of the word Cambodia
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:47 PM
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19. LOL!
:silly:
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Norbert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:21 PM
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15. O'Neill is a Nixon protoge'
'nuff said.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:20 PM
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17. Thanks for reposting
I fouled up and forgot to put the correct headline in. Thanks and sorry for my mistake.

And I think it appropriate that the liar at the forefront of this debacle is a former Nixon protege. Certainly this is the most Nixonesque White House since the original.


By the way, isn't it funny how all of these guys who were talking up Mr. Kerry have all so suddenly changed their tune, and to one so apparently in unison? It's obvious someone engineered this; my guess is that Rove is mixed up in it, if he didn't actually call the shots. Regardless, it's equally obvious that the incumbent's people have trotted out their Election Smear Playbook and are running it step by step.

And finally... the ads that really got the ball rolling on this were done on the cheap... supposedly. I would love to get a bird's-eye view of the money trail around Swift Boat Vets - not just the stuff on the books. Something just tells me that more than one guy has been bought there, and remember the cardinal rule about BushCo involvement in anything: Follow The Money. High oil prices? Follow The Money. Unfinished Afghan invasion and continuing pre-election cock-ups? Follow The Money. War in Iraq? Follow The Money. Electioneering in Florida? Follow The Money.

It's the Money, Stupid!

- Mac in Ga
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