Bush Edges Ahead of Kerry for the 1st Time [LA Times, statistical tie]

[truthisfreedom]

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/timespoll/la-na-poll26aug26,1,891368.story?coll=la-home-headlines
THE TIMES POLL
Bush Edges Ahead of Kerry for the 1st Time
The president gains in several measurements but remains in a statistical tie. Ads on the senator's war record seem to have an effect.

August 26, 2004

 
By Ronald Brownstein, Times Staff Writer


WASHINGTON — President Bush heads into next week's Republican National Convention with voters moving slightly in his direction since July amid signs that Sen. John F. Kerry has been nicked by attacks on his service in Vietnam, a Times poll has found.
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Although a solid majority of Americans say they believe Kerry served honorably in Vietnam, the poll showed that the attacks on the senator from a group of Vietnam veterans criticizing his performance in combat and his antiwar protests at home have left some marks: Kerry suffered small but consistent erosion compared with July on questions relating to his Vietnam experience, his honesty and his fitness to serve as commander in chief.

The Times Poll, supervised by polling director Susan Pinkus, interviewed 1,597 adults, including 1,352 registered voters nationwide, from Saturday through Tuesday. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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While 3% of voters who called themselves Republicans said they would vote for Kerry, Bush drew 15% of all Democrats, and 20% of Democrats who consider themselves moderate or conservative, the poll found.

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[Lovecrafty]

1. The reason I believe its crap is...

Millions of people went to see F911 over a two month period and we are told that had minimal, if any, impact on the polls. And now we are to believe that a few hundred thousand copies of a book combined with some television commercials is having an effect on the polls?!? Coupled with the fact that the Swiftsmears have been PROVEN liars and nothing but paid hacks for the Bush Campaign!

[LynnTheDem]

2. Not after last night W won't be ahead

All hell broke loose last night in Iraq. Mosques hit (incl THE mosque) 27 dead 63 wounded...Italy & Poland wanna leave today...60 journalists rounded up, mass arrest, driven away by Iraqi police...20 oil pipelines attacked & burning...

[0007]

23. Didn't you say earlier, that Italy wants to pull out of Iraq also?

[pinniped]

3. So all things asshole * is involved in turns to shit and his so-called...

numbers go up?

Whatever...

[hadrons]

4. some things that have helped the Chimp ....

1) Kerry's not running ads right now and Chimpy spent about $50 million recently

2) Swift Boat crap ... Kerry should have nipped this sooner, but since this came up what else have you heard about Kerry? Clinton had those cheating rumors about him in 1992, but you also had "it's the economy, stupid!" so voters could balance the good and bad ... with Kerry, all you hear is Swift Boat, so most not-so-informed voters hear about him its just the negative crap

3) Stand-off at the shire in Iraq ... "wow, Bush is going to take the fight to their most holy of places??? great, they (the evil "they") have been destroying what been sacred to us for years, let's do it to them!!!" ... the way news in Iraq is being reported if I wasn't on this site I would have thought hardly any soldiers were killed in Iraq the last few months ... Allwi's still there and the oil's still flowing (at times), so the uninformed think things aren't too bad

4) Oil/Gas prices ... they see oil prices going up and gasoline price remaining flat, so they think Dumbya's must be doing something ... the fact that its oil futures going up and that oil isn't the oil currently being used for the gasoline supplies isn't known to them and that's its going to be a few months before it bites them on the ass

[Piperay]

5. I don't believe it ...

neither candidate is running ads here so that shows that one of them (Kerry) knows he has the state already and other one (chimp) knows he has lost it already.

[hadrons]

6. Piperay, this is a national poll by the LA Times ....

[Gord]

7. Well..

Bush will likely win. What can we accomplish otherwise?

[trumad]

9. Bush will only win in the eyes of Gun Lovin Puke assholes

These polls make me chuckle because they do not factor in Undecideds and Independents. Add those in and Bush is toast.

[Gord]

10. Hey!

Guns BADDDD!

[trumad]

13. Know...Gun Loving trolls are bad!

[Piperay]

29. NO...

guns good, especially when used against RWings who are taking away our rights and our Government. I'm a liberal woman and I have lots of guns. Now, just take yourself back over to the other side.

[Massacure]

16. I'm a Gun Lovin Democrat. Does that make me an asshole?

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. bush* didn't *win* last time

So why would he *win* this time after being such a miserable failure? :shrug:

[Cha]

33. the bush bastard is gonna Lose ...just like the Big

LOSER that he is.

[depakid]

8. It's Brownstein. Ignore it

That guy's the West Coast version of Howard Kurtz. About the most overrated and under loathed media whore of them all.

[Gord]

11. The LA Times

is a rightwing whoremongering source. I can't believe it's even quoted here.

[depakid]

12. Yawn

It's too early in the morning to deal with insipidness.

Enjoy your day.

[trumad]

14. insipid idiot is dead. LOL

[progressivebydesign]

26. LA Times USED to be good.... a long time ago..

but the corporate powers decided that they were too far left, and brought in new brass that is STRONLY right wing. They also brought in a CEREAL executive to run things there. They reasoned that if a guy could sell cereal, why not newspapers?? I used to savor the LA Times on Sunday mornings.. I stopped, years ago.

[coalition_unwilling]

31. Don't mean to play devil's advocate

But about two months ago, Sunday edition of LATimes came out with a two column below the masthead op-ed from the paper's editorial board, entitled "Iraq: Disaster of a Failed Policy". They've been running hard-hitting articles on Abu Graib for the past few days, front-page above the fold. They've also been very hard on SBV and Bush.

DISCLAIMER: I live in LA and work right across the street from their downtown HQ. I do get frustrated with their coverage from time to time, esp. in the run-up to the war. But compared to NYTimes and Washington Post? LATimes is miles above, imho

[PROGRESSIVE1]

32. The LA Times is a left-leaning paper.

:wtf: are you talking about.

Yes, I do agree that Ron Brown-noser Brownstein is a cheap imitation of KKKurtz.

[trapper914]

15. The LA Times....

....also had Bustamante leading Schwarzenegger in their poll. They're hardly reliable.

[KittyWampus]

19. Thread Title Implies Kerry WAS IN THE LEAD!

hmmmm... funny how the Media wasn't trumpeting THAT... hmmmmmmmmm.........

[boobooday]

17. I have become a total cynic

I can't stop thinking that it serves them so well to have every poll look like a dead heat. Then, when you STEAL it, you only have to explain a shift of a few percentage points in the public. To really assess the validity of the poll, you would have to know how they chose their sample, and conducted their poll.

One major issue is that phone polls are always slanted toward the wealthy, and toward the elderly. The wealthy have more phone numbers, so are generally overrepresented. The elderly are more likely to be at home and to be willing to participate. And nowadays people conducting phone polls have to deal with the fact that they are missing an entire segment of the population -- namely, young people who use a cell phone as their primary line.

I live in the heartland, in a solidly red state. But I'm a big mouth, and I talk to everyone, Dem or Repub. I mean EVERYONE. And it looks like 70/30 for Kerry right now. Many of the Republicans I know are NOT voting for Bush, including my brother, who just retired from the military.

There is something very fishy about all of this. I'm not sure what it is, but damnit, you can't trust a single thing these pukes do anymore. I just refuse to believe that the American public is stupid enough to still be 50% deluded.

Please, say it ain't so!

[Beetwasher]

18. Cool! This is GREAT!

Bush will have the first overtly negative "bump" in post convention history! Ha Ha!

[iceman_419]

20. We should still pay attention

I know that you can't trust all polls, but we should at least take note of this and not act as if its just ssome right wing poll. Doing that will accomplish nothing except help Bush. This just means that we need to work harder to get the message out. I'm going to a Kerry meet-up tonight and I'm going to give my opinion of what Kerry's campaign should do, and I'm also going to do what I can to help out the campaign. Factual or not, we shoulld ignore these polls which show Bush leading, we should use them to fire us up and get out there adn do something.

[Gregorian]

21. NEWSPEAK

Or in my own word- newspew

Don't believe the hype.

However, if it's true, we have a much much bigger problem then just
Bush.

[krkaufman]

22. "Bush leads for the 1st time"?

What kind of happy horsecrud is that headline? It shows a bias.

[loudsue]

25. "It's the Rigged Voting Machines, Stupid!!!" Covering for another stolen

election coming Nov. 2.

When will the masses hit the streets, and EVERY State Bd. of Elections in this country to DEMAND a Voter Verified Paper Ballot come November, with AUDITS!!!

Anyone who has been following the BBV threads KNOWS this thing is getting really nasty....and Democracy just happens to be LOSING this war!!

Every one of us needs to get active on this issue ....NOW!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[ElementaryPenguin]

27. As an LA Times subscriber, I can tell you that Brownstein is a Bush whore!

And their polls are so incredibly inconsistent! Just getting us ready for this "incredibly close" race, which will be stolen by Diebold! We are in BIG trouble on that score!

:puke:

[MODemocrat]

28. Can't believe that many voters want a W IMP again

That's why I don't believe these polls. They're very partisan in nature, and, that's for both parties. Politics are filty, no doubt about it. :crazy: :think: :boring: :boring: :boring:

[DaveSZ]

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http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.latimes.com/news/custom/timespoll/la-082604poll_lat,1,357938,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines


Bush Passes Kerry in 3 Key States (MO: 46% to 44%; WI: 48% to 44%; Ohio: 49% to 44%)
LA Times ^ | 8/26/04


Bush Passes Kerry in 3 Key States By Ronald Brownstein and Kathleen Hennessey Times Staff Writers

1:53 PM PDT, August 26, 2004

WASHINGTON — President Bush has moved past Sen. John F. Kerry in three of the most hotly contested Midwestern battleground states despite continued doubts about the country's direction and the president's policies, new Los Angeles Times polls have found.

According to the surveys, Bush has opened leads within the margin of error in Ohio, Wisconsin and Missouri — states at the top of both campaigns' priority lists.

In Missouri, Bush leads among registered voters 46% to 44%; in Wisconsin, he leads 48% to 44%; and in Ohio, the president holds a 49% to 44% advantage, the surveys found.