Time/drudge: bush --'I'm the guy making history'

[tuvor]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm

Sorry to make you look at drudge excerpts, but Time requires a subscription.

My nomination for doublespeak of the day:

As sure as I’m sitting here, the right decision was to remove Saddam Hussein from power. The tactics going into Iraq were based upon a certain set of assumptions, like refugee flows, hunger, oil destruction. Had we had to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success—being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day. I couldn’t have sat down and said to you, By the way, we’re going to be so victorious so quickly that we’ll end up having to fight another third of the Baathists over the next year in order to bring liberty to the country. There’s an idea that you can chew on.

EDIT: Accidentally capitalized first letters in "drudge" and "bush".

[Cocoa]

1. Bush's problem is that he's so unbelievably awesome

how could he have predicted the Iraq war would have gone so great?

[highnooner]

2. Well, that is something to ruminate over?

:freak:

[dArKeR]

3. Hey tuvor, Drudge links are not allowed on the DU. Go post them on

some immoral liars forum.

[tuvor]

6. They're excerpted from Time

And it's subscription based.

I don't have a subscription, and surely Time wouldn't like such material being posted elsewhere.

This time around drudge is just the messenger.

Would you prefer not to have the exerpts at all?

[Pirate Smile]

12. I'm with you. I'd like to see the dumbasses' statements to Time. I get

Newsweek so I don't usually buy Time.

A little discretion about when to link to Matty is OK IMO.

[Dookus]

19. Can you point to such a rule?

I think you're mistaken.

[DeepModem Mom]

4. And grandiosity is a symptom of what, DU psychologists?

[TahitiNut]

13. NPD.

He's a sociopath ... poster boy for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

[Infomaniac]

21. Grandiosity is also attributable to his learning disabilities...

and innate sadism.

According to "Bush on the Couch" many of W's character traits and personality evolved from his undiagnosed but readily evident dyslexia and ADHD.

"Grandiosity and shame are symptoms of the learning-disabled individual's inability to construct an internal world that reflects the complexities of life. Such a child's inner world must be simple, because complexity causes anxiety; when shame is unresolved, compensatory grandiose images are allowed to thrive and magical thinking spawns unrealistic notions that flourish unchallenged. The material world is simplified to conform to his internal worldview. Listen to pResident Bush's descriptions of the world in which he lives, and you'll probably find that you make your life an a far more complicated place."

The author goes on to describe W's faint praise for the military. For example, W's attempts to cut veterans and active duty benefits as "... an all-too-evident indifference to the suffering of others, a passive manifestation of innate sadism. A hallmark of grandiosity, indifference reveals the individual's unconscious fear of conferring reality to other people."

[booksenkatz]

5. Wait just a damn minute

I thought he told us he was "the guy" who hugs widows of fallen soldiers? And I could have sworn he once said something to the effect that he was "the guy" who has to make decisions. I guess maybe he just wants to be "the guy," period.
:shrug:

[Sophree]

26. Or the guy who

"Couldn't imagine a mother having to decide which child to pick up on September the 11th."

Whatever the f*ck that means!

[qanda]

7. We cannot take much more of Bush's catastrophic successes!

What a complete and utter moran!

[A_Possum]

22. Catastrophic success!

Good meme for Iraq! But...where's the success again?

[ORprogressive]

8. Hitler made history too

[Book Lover]

9. One might be forgiven were one to assume

that someone who had a BA in History (hey, just like Mr. Bush!) might have had such an idea.

[Octafish]

10. Hey, moron!

You can make history without destroying the planet, our nation and its people and Constitution!

Duh.

[Inland]

11. Bush doesn't understand his FIRST mistake was to think Iraq dangerous

If Bush thought that the invasion was going to be long or overthrowing Saddam difficult, it was because he's an idiot who thought Saddam actually had an army, usuable WMD or the support of the people. What he calls a surprising success would only have been a surprise to him, cause we knew Saddam was a palooka, not a fight. {and in fact, I think we all know Bush didn't invade Iraq because he thought it was strong and dangerious, but because it was weak and available. But let's give him the doubt, for a moment, that he is merely incompetent and not studiously evil.)

So the failure to plan for success is actually twice as dumb as he allows. It was dumb not to expect it, and dumb not to have a plan. What a dick

[calimary]

16. I think "dick" is the operative word here. I realized awhile ago that

bush's most fundamental issue is an obsession to prove that his is bigger than his dad's.

[GingerSnaps]

14. Bush is making history alright

I am watching history in the making right now on c-span and I have never seen a protest that large in my life.

[0007]

15. Hilter made a lot of history also!

junior's history will be in the same class.

Except Hilter had a brain.

[bluedog]

17. Read This Closely..........

When asked whether there is anything in John Kerry’s Vietnam career that he thinks is relevant to this race, Bush tells TIME, “His service was honorable, as far as I’m concerned. This debate ought to be about who can lead the war on terror. And that’s where I’ll conduct it.

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I can understand why Senator Kerry is upset with us. I wasn’t so pleased with the ads that were run about me. And my call is get rid of them all, now.”
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this statement in itself says bush knew about the swifties ad and did nothing about them........."UPSET WITH US"

[xxqqqzme]

18. somebody needs 2 explain 2 him,

for the 80th time, the difference Btween the baathists and the other factions in Iraq. I'm fairly certain, you detail-challenged, never reads, could-care-less rat bastard, the baathists were not the persons in Najaf.

jeebus, he can't even keep the players straight.

[karlrschneider]

20. Well, he's in some "good" company...Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Marcos,

Sukarno, Mao, Mussolini...to name a few, made a bit of history as well.

[grytpype]

23. Yep. Worst President in History.

That's history, ain't it?

[Kierkegaard]

24. I've got something for * to chew on as well.

"Wellllll, it was catastrophic success! Yeah, that's what it was."

~Jon Lovitz

[aaronbees]

25. Bush's Grandiosity

He always chooses the most banal of "accomplishments" and elevates them to something grand .... "I make history" ... so the fuck what?? History's not hard to make, Chimpy. It's the kind of history that's made that matters.

[DemBones DemBones]

27. WTF is he talking about?

"being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day"

HUH? In terms of war, if your enemy escapes and lives to fight another day, you have NOT been successful.

:crazy:

[sendero]

28. Netpune's tragic influence...

... on Bush*'s fragile personality rush to the forefront once again.

[JDPriestly]

29. I've chewed and I'm spitting it out!

1. By definition, nobody messes with a "successful" army. If the U.S. army had been successful, i.e., if it had "brought liberty," quickly restored power, kept the order and employed the Iraqis, the Iraqis would be supporting the U.S., and the "Baathist" remnants would not have dared to rebel. Bush fell for a time old strategy that every child knows. Lie down, play dead and then rise up and strike the opponent's vulnerabilities. If Bush had planned his invasion properly, the Iraqi rebels wouldn't have so many vulnerabilities to strike.

2. "A third of the Baathists." These are not just Baathists, the rebels are also Shiites and others who hated the Baathists. We failed to gain their trust. Failure, not success is the work, here.

Bush, please apologize, step aside and let Kerry have a chance. You weren't elected in the first place, and you know it.