Bush Suggests Terror War Cannot Be Won

[neuvocat]

NASHUA, N.H. - President Bush (news - web sites) ignited a Democratic inferno of criticism on Monday by suggesting the war on terrorism could not be won, forcing his aides to scramble to defend his remarks just as he had hoped to bask in convention accolades.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20040830/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_bush

[bemildred]

1. Todays "No Shit Sherlock" award. nt

[QuidditchFan]

2. I LOVE that this breaks the day the convention starts...

This means that it will crescendo on Wednesday or Thursday, right before the selected one makes his speech.

[BootinUp]

3. rate it up!

The biggest Flip Flop of bush's term.

[neuvocat]

7. Indeed.

[Pachamama]

15. I thought that Bu$h & FUCheney kept saying we needed to Re-elect them

in order to win the War on Terra? (Because with only them, we can win by staying the course....) Now Bush is saying its not winnable?

So why should people be voting for these people again?

:eyes:

[KittyWampus]

19. Bush DOES Do Nuance... See?

Flip Flop.

[masshole]

4. Has anyone seen any follow up on the tube?

Has anyone questioned the numerous RW shills on TV yet about these remarks?

Don't forget to vote this story.

[babylon_system]

5. USA is greatest purveyor of terror in the world

Winning the wAR ON tERROR would mean the defeat of the USA. GW Bush will ensure that the USA is never defeated, hence the wAR ON tERROR cannot be won.

[aquart]

6. So make him our Endless War President w/Special War Powers?

Republican wet dream, that one is.

[StefanX]

8. Bush is a flip-flopper then!

Bush retreats

"We have a clear vision on how to win the war on terror and bring peace to the world."
-- George W. Bush
July 30th 2004.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,127583,00.html

"I don’t think you can win {the war on terror}. But I think you can create conditions so that the — those who use terror as a tool are — less acceptable in parts of the world."
-- George W. Bush
Aug. 29th, 2004.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_08_29.php#003373

We've had such reverses in one month?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_08_29.php#003376


Make up your mind Georgie. Can we win this war or not? Did you misundercalculate again? Guess you lost a few too many braincells back in your AWOL cokehead days, huh?

[grytpype]

10. Good point!

[ruggerson]

9. THIS HAS TO BE MADE INTO AN AD WITHIN 24 HOURS

And run in EVERY BATTLEGROUND STATE

[chelsea0011]

11. No suggestion. He surrendered.

He'll be holding a white flag while giving his speech.

[fearnobush]

12. Then and Now: Bush said, "I don't think you can win it."

Then - Sept. 17th 2001
``We will win the war and there will be costs,'' Bush said
during a visit to the Pentagon, badly damaged when hit by one of the hijacked airliners. ``The U.S. military is ready to defend freedom at any cost,'' he said as the Defense Department readied call-up orders for an estimated 35,000 reservists.
<http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:68UlYQC8wuoJ:www.firehouse.com/terrorist/17_APbushsays.html+Bush+%22we+will+win+the+war%22&hl=en>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Today - Aug 30 2004.
Asked "Can we win?" Bush said, "I don't think you can win it."

[peacetalksforall]

13. The concept of 'war president' makes me sick to my stomach.

If we can't win it - then ask him to be the 'peace president'.

That's where we should have been from the beginning if we really think of ourselves as leaders. Clinton was a leader. No Republican has been a leader.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Only a coward would say such a thing

What a wimp.

It's so sad, that he has such little faith, in his fellow Americans. We can do better than this.

[mike_c]

21. um, with all due respect...

...he's right. The "war on terror" is a scam and cannot be "won." That Bush is the primary perpetrator of the scam is doubly ironic.

Now I just wish a few more prominant democrats would find the courage to face this reality and call for an end to this nonsense.

[SpiralHawk]

16. "We have always been at war with terror"

Goldstein is an enemy of the state.

ChocoRations may be increased 2 mg. for each "qualified" citizen after the elections if you re-select BushCo.

Big BushCo loves you.

[bluestateguy]

17. What if Bill Clinton, Al Gore or John Kerry said exactly this?

I can just see the hate Radio now:

"Appeasers!"

"Pacifists"

"They blame America first!"

"The Democrats can't be trusted to protect America."

[agingdem]

18. Don't you think...

now is the time for Kerry to say "Then what the fuck are we doing in Iraq? So, I voted to give you the authority to go into Iraq based on your absolute certainty that Saddam had WMDs pointed at our heads, and now you say we will never win this terrorism thing?! Talk about giving aid and comfort to the enemy!"

[Disturbed]

20. War On Terror?

Somebody should ask him what that phrase means?

Hmm...let me guess.

Dumbass- Uh.. war on terror is a war on evil doers that hate us for our freedom.

Your guesses?

[agingdem]

28. It means...

a catastrophic success.

[LauraK]

37. Seems like a worn out thread to me.

We should let the war itself beat him up.

[Fridays Child]

22. B*sh was just being nuanced and sophisticated, so sayeth Scott McClellan.

"White House spokesman Scott McClellan sought to clarify the president's remarks, telling reporters, 'He was talking about winning it in the conventional sense ... about how this is a different kind of war and we face an unconventional enemy.'"

So, let's review:

Sensitive, nuanced Republican = good

Sensitive, nuanced Democrat = bad

[hyphenate]

23. Not under him

it can't. But then, we wouldn't have as many international enemies if he wasn't president, either.

[southernleftylady]

24. and i heard that kerry said it could be?? wtf? nt

[IndianaGreen]

25. Israel has done a great job in winning their war on terror

as has the British in Northern Ireland. Duh? I think that Bush had a Freudian slip in which for once he told the absolute truth. The war on terror cannot be won because it is our policies that are creating terrorists, just as Israel and Britain's policies in Occupied Palestine and Northern Ireland respectively, are responsible for the terrorism they face.

Change our foreign policy, abandon imperialism and militarism, and stop enabling the subjugation of others, and we begin the long process of draining the swamp from which terrorists come.

Every bomb we drop, every village we destroy, plants the seeds of terrorism!

[MasonJar]

26. That means that the prisoners will be held for life with no lawyer

or trial. Welcome to the new American way.

[FreakinDJ]

27. He always was a QUITER

[Citizen Daryl]

29. He FINALLY admits to being a complete failure. n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

30. Again, RATE THE STORY AT YAHOO! It has been rated a 2.90

with 937 votes -- can you say "Freepers"? (Or "Rovers" -- somebody doesn't want this story noticed.)

[bamacrat]

31. DUH

i mean everyone with half a conscious and a bird brain knew that. what a freekin moron hopefully he pissed some people off, and they'll reconsider their vote, not likely but i have hope.

[leesa]

36. Well, not really. We have invaded two countries in this foolish

war against terror. Most people in this country thought invading the completely innocent country of Afghanistan was a swell way to fight terrorism. I know, becaue I was one of the few voices looking for sanity at that point. I ended up here.

[Just Me]

32. I propose a "WAR ON GREED" and a "WAR ON NEPOTISM",...

,...and a "WAR ON CRONYISM" and a "WAR ON INTOLERANCE" and a "WAR ON INEQUALITY" and a "WAR ON POWER-MONGERS" and a "WAR ON CONSUMPTIONISTS" and a "WAR ON EXCLUSIONISTS" and a "WAR ON LIARS",...

I could go on and on,...

[yellowcanine]

33. Edwards has already picked this up and incorporated it into his stump

speech. Basically says "John Kerry and I believe the war on terrorism can be won."

[mbperrin]

34. Voted.

a little kick

[Citizen Daryl]

35. Info-Graphic

[milkyway]

38. Stop him, Karl, before he opens his mouth again!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

39. Maybe that's because it's not a real war

When terrorist attacks by individuals who don't represent a specific state nor even a consistent ideology are lumped together in a description of a world war against "them thar evil doers" it's time to question whether this really deserves to be called a specific war. Certainly Bush hasn't always treated it like a war as he has not offered Geneva Convention rights to captured suspected terrorists, nor the label of enemy combatants when it has been inconvenient to do so. But he promotes the terror war when it becomes convenient for him to suggest that we are at war and that the Patriot Act is a wartime necessity and when he wants to call himself a War President. Then, when he can't justify his failure to round up Osama Bin Laden, he states that this nebulous idea of a world wide terror war can't ever be completed. He chooses to say that the attack on the Twin Towers is an act of war and yet the anthrax attacks are not. We are being completely manipulated by the language used by this administration.

[DRoseDARs]

40. And today he's flipped his flop YET again...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040831/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_bush_28

In a speech to the national convention of the American Legion, Bush said, "We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we did not start yet one that we will win.


That statement differed from Bush's earlier comment, aired Monday in a pre-taped television interview, that "I don't think you can win" the war on terror. That had Democrats running for the cameras to criticize Bush for being defeatist and flip-flopping from previous predictions of victory.

[Occulus]

41. And today, in Nashville, TN, Bush* said

"We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we did not start yet one that we will win."

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/politics/index.ssf?/base/politics-5/1093955651262850.xml&storylist=politics

Flip-flopping like a fish out of water.

[Occulus]

42. Ooooops

didn't read the whole thread, my bad.

Weird. One minute after posting, the editing period has expired. Hmm.