Audience boos as Bush offers best wishes for Clinton's recovery

[Nambe]

WEST ALLIS, Wis. (AP)

President Bush on Friday wished Bill Clinton ``best wishes for a swift and speedy recovery.''

``He's is in our thoughts and prayers,'' Bush said at a campaign rally.

Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed. Bush did nothing to stop them.

Bush offered his wishes while campaigning one day after accepting the presidential nomination at the Republican National Convention in New York. Clinton was hospitalized in New York after complaining of mild chest pain and shortness of breath. ..
Ride Don’t Drive * * It’s Global Cool

[Catfight]

1. What a bunch of sicko's

[cthrumatrix]

8. but but ...they all have christian values.....shrub included

[cthrumatrix]

11. this is what "Jesus would do" --- all the church goers must be pleased

[saigon68]

70. WHO WOULD JESUS BOO ? OR KILL ?

They are compassionate alright </sarcasm>

[Narraback]

202. Right on - Rock on

Semper Fi

[alonso_quijano]

32. Classy

[Name removed]

177. Deleted message

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[Scairp]

191. Oh gee

THAT is just SO sincere. Use spellcheck, freeptard, if you are going to insult one of the best president's this country has ever had.

[pa28]

195. Bill Clinton was a friend to everybody in this country.

Even to those who somehow failed to see it and wasted so many of our national resources to destroy him. Hopefully this great man will make a speedy recovery. Sincerely, PA28.

[shaolinmonkey]

2. Oh, you can feel the compassion.

Hypocracy.

[devinsgram]

75. Yes, hypocracy at its best.

What goes around, comes around. I wouldn't want to be them.

[savorsuccesslady]

121. Speaking of Compassion- Here is a PLAN to raise MILLIONS

If every single Dem in the entire nation (and some caring compassionate Reps, too) were NOT send a card to President Clinton but were instead to send $4.00 to the DNC for Kerry's campaign (which is roughly what a nice card and postage stamp would cost) then that would more than make up for the monies that will be lost due to the fact that Pres. Clinton can not now be campaigning...

I daresay that Pres. Clinton would be much more cheerful hearing that many many millions of dollars have come suddenly flooding into the DNC (than to have bags of cards that he may never even get to read).

If you like this idea, please circulate to everyone on your address list. I think that Pres. Clinton was a great President, and would be happy for millions of dollars in donations to help defeat W.

[Longhorn79]

124. That's nice and all, but

donation time ended the last day of the convention in Boston. You'll just cost the DNC money when they have to send it back to you.

[Carolina]

161. send it to the DNC

DSCC, etc. We can still do that and since Kerry's gonna win (please, goddess) the funds may help give him a Democratic Congress.

*Edited for stupid typo

[bif]

3. Fuckin' souless pigs.

[barb162]

84. you said it best!

the lovely compassion of these people is such may they rot in hell

[cthrumatrix]

4. the evidence of "hate radio" is now on display - shocking

[Malva Zebrina]

5. I hate them more nt

[bushisanidiot]

6. Bad Move Rove

this combined with the hate spewed from Zell Miller, live footage of repuke deligates kicking a downed protestor, and those heart warming purple heart bandaids...

it's almost as if they WANT to lose.

[DoYouEverWonder]

59. It's just that they can no longer hide their true selves

They use to do a better job of hiding their real feelings for us. The hatred that seeps from every pore of their bodies, was on full display this past week.

We have seen their aura's and they are ugly.

[gasperc]

68. where's the video of the downed protestor getting kicked by delegates?

:kick:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

180. Here

http://www.actupny.org/reports/rnc_nyc-kicking.mov


alternate link:
http://cronus.com/images/rnc_nyc-kicking.mov

With thanks to Cronus

[Mokito]

98. live footage of repuke delegates kicking a downed protester

WHAT? WHERE? WHEN? Do you have a link for this. I seem to have missed this story.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

179. Here you go

http://www.actupny.org/reports/rnc_nyc-kicking.mov


alternate link:
http://cronus.com/images/rnc_nyc-kicking.mov

With thanks to Cronus

[LauraK]

190. Thanks Quark.

[Freddie Stubbs]

215. What did Rove have to do with this?

:shrug:

[Beware the Beast Man]

7. Ahh, more faces of "compassionate conservatism."

:puke:

[RoundRockD]

9. That is disgraceful. What a bunch of hateful God-fearing Christians!!

[Nambe]

10. Fine! Now I can stop feeling bad for seriously disliking these people.

There's a load off.

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. These are our fellow citizens

The "christian" right wing. A mob of hate filled bastards.

[apnu]

13. Hey undecideds! There's your GOP!

When ever you are suffering from delusions and about to pull the lever for someone with an (R) after their name, remember their supporters don't even have the decency to wish someone well who's having major heart surgery.

Its "compassionate conservatism" at its finest!

[cthrumatrix]

20. bingo..... this is who they are!

[samtob]

97. In fairness

Isn't labeling the entire voting population (republicans or democrats) by the stupid actions of a relatively small group wise or right for that matter?

[Mikimouse]

101. Until such time as one of their own comes out and...

openly criticizes those actions, I will presume that all of them agree with it. The republicans and their supporters have demonstrated no inkling of compassion or respect for dissent and they are complacent that they are going to win this election by hook or crook (mostly by lying and cheating). They get no respect from me. As far as I am concerned, they want it this way, and this way it shall be. I am proud to say that I remember the voices on this board that chastised many of us (myself included) for heaping insults on Ronald Reagan's name after he died. I seriously doubt that the RWers would have any sense of decency if something like that happened to one of ours (I refer you to the Wellstone memorial for an example).

[samtob]

109. wait now....

My point was, grouping based on the actions of few.

Case in point (actually a really good example), with the gay community.

No one can deny there is a less than desirable population within the gay community (albeit the minority) who engage in public restroom sex, bug chasing (finding thrill out of possibly contracting HIV) etc. and then of course NAMBLA

Looking at that relatively small group, and labeling the entire gay community as being sexual deviants would be ludicrous.

That is all I am saying. Rest assured, I have felt pretty embarrassed by the actions and comments some of my constituents have displayed in public...and I certainly do not want their thoughtless actions put upon me.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

120. Did you just loop gays and child molesters together?

You do know that most child molesters are heterosexual, don't you?

And yes, I'm putting all Republicans in the fucking gutter based on the actions of this group. Deal with it.

[samtob]

135. uuuhhh NO

N.A.M.B.L.A.
North American MAN BOY Love Association. Child molesters, yes, but THEY state they are part of the gay community, and are pissed off that the "mainstream" gay community has left them behind.

The words "Child molesters" was not stated in my original post.


Now, are you willing to accept the labels some of the republicans are putting on the Democrats? I most certainly am not!! I would rather fight the label and prove them wrong.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

146. Um...

No, the WORDS "child molesters" was not stated in your original post.
But you did refer to NAMBLA in this following quote:
"No one can deny there is a less than desirable population within the gay community (albeit the minority) who engage in public restroom sex, bug chasing (finding thrill out of possibly contracting HIV) etc. and then of course NAMBLA"

I just find it very intersting that you'd mention NAMBLA in the same sentence as gays.

On edit: screwed up the bold tag.

[samtob]

151. They associate themselves

Don't believe me? Here you go, see for yourself.

http://216.220.97.17/pederasty.htm

Not my words, theirs.

On this page you will find out how mad they are at the mainstream gay community for leaving them behind too.

Oh yeah, they do not feel they are child molesters, they believe everyone else (which would be you too) are discriminating against them, "ageism"

[yardwork]

171. The fact that THEY associate themselves with gays means nothing!

Some murderers claim to be Republicans. Does that make all Republicans murderers?

You seem to have joined us for the primary purpose of gay-baiting.

[samtob]

174. Hey

What is your problem??

I am doing the polar opposite of gay baiting, read the damn post.

I said it is not fair to group people by the actions of a few! I used the gay community as an example of what happens when you do.

My sister is gay for god's sake. Do you have a problem with gay people?

For you information the gay community dislikes the fact that NAMBLA has any association with them, but that does not change the fact they are a homosexual organization.

What is with the attack mode in this forum?

[yardwork]

178. Reread your posts. You claim that NAMBLA is gay because they say they are

The gay community has totally rejected them - as you note.

You have nine posts here and five of them involve a fight you got into as soon as you joined us. It raises a question in my mind about your priorities.

My suggestion is that you back off, go to another thread, and post on something completely different.

[sid dicious]

181. NAMBLA is sick

Just because they have homosexual relations with young boys doesn't mean that they are a Homosexual organization. Their predaters who find it easy to have sex with boys. Not every guy who rapes another in prison is gay...in fact outside of prison they would consider themselves to be heterosexual. So know what your taling about before you start making false acusations against the homosexual community because of your right-wing christian hate!

I gotta have smoke.

[Dhalgren]

192. Look, the problem is that,

as with the SBV (Shit for Brains Vets), most republicans remained silent and many republicans defended the lies and smears. With the PH band-aids most republicans remained silent, some defended the "joke". When Bush is on the stage and his supporters show happiness at the idea of a former 2-term president undergoing heart surgery, bush should have shown "leadership" and set these brain-stem monsters straight. But he didn't. Silence is a form of support, that's why we, here, are always screaming about the way our government is behaving, at home and around the world - we won't stay silent. If a member of our party or group does something or says something that anyone of us disagrees with, we should and will speak up. For the republicans as a group, or as individuals, to remain silent in the face of such behavior is, itself, an act of barbaric venality or, at least, beastial indifference. And that, I think, is the point...

[short bus president]

176. This is not just a "relatively small group"

Remember, this occurred at a shrub fundraiser, and those crowds are the hand-picked, invitation-only, loyalty-oath-signing "cream of the crop" republicans. Their stupid actions reveal a good bit about those whose hands picked them.

[Journeyman]

14. Cool. I hope *that* gets some airplay. . .

Nothing like a chorus of residual hate spilling over from the RNC to help the undecideds get a handle on "who they'd like to have a beer with."

[Nambe]

23. This was on a CBS site.

The NYT will grab it, no doubt. Maurene and Molly will talk about this for a year.

[louis-t]

48. "who they'd like to have a beer with."

Why not have 10 beers and then go and kick somebody's wheelchair over. Idiots.

[ldf]

93. maybe kerry could use it

in his ads.

i can't wait for the "alleged" rapture to clear out all this human garbage.

:grr:

[Rose Siding]

100. The reporter even noted the negative

"He did nothing to stop them". That's a gift. It could have been "he hurriedly continued" or glossed over all together. It says something about the reporter being a human.

[deutsey]

15. I hope this gets lots of airplay

Sickening.

See how ugly that kind of crap is? I hope our side can refrain from similar displays of ignorance in the future.

[Connie_Corleone]

24. I was about to post the same thing.

The whole country needs to see how Bush's base acts.

[eridani]

198. Do you think it will?

Are we going to see it replayed as often as the 'Dean scream'? Am I Marie of Roumania?

[Freddie Stubbs]

216. Not to sure how much good that will do

You may want to hear the audio of the event:

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

[annxburns]

16. That was a huge mistake

He should of never done that at a rally.

Man, the purple heart bandages, The Swift Vet Smears, Zell Miller's/Dick Cheney's screed, Alan Keyes anti-gay rants, the delegates beating up a protestor on the convention floor and booing a former President who has to undergo surgery.

REPUBLICANS ARE JUST CHARMING, AREN'T THEY.

[lancdem]

65. I was about to say that

A Repuke rally is the last place to make those kinds of remarks, unless you want a scene like the one that played out.

I love the line about about Bush doing nothing to discourage it. Those are some sick, ugly people.

[MaineDem]

81. "I love the line about about Bush doing nothing to discourage it"

That's my thought, too. The very least he could have done is try to tone down the crowd. So much for respecting the office if not the man. That's what I've been trying to do with BushieBoy but I guess that's over. No more Ms Nice Gal!

Fuck 'em! I've had about enough of the GOP bullshit as I can stand.

[dansolo]

89. Any shots of Bush during the booing?

I can't see him supressing a smirk when the audience was booing.

[ET Awful]

17. I do hope the booing was televised nationally and will be repeated

to show these people for the scum they truly are.

[sniffa]

66. hopefuLLy

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. Bush did nothing to stop the swiftvets either

he is a dishonorable shit.

[davidinalameda]

19. disgusting

[MuseRider]

21. Did anyone see this?

I would be curious to know what Bush's* reaction was to the booing. He didn't try to stop it but what did he do?

[cmf]

I'm sure he just smirked

his usual shit-eating grin.

[glitch]

34. like he did when a reporter asked him about the SBVT ads

just smirked and walked away. I really hope someone uses that footage in an ad. This too - perfect.

[seaglass]

37. Yeah, I did. I must be hallucinating because I saw the people

behind him (Firefighters for Bush) clapping when he said to send their prayers to Clinton. Maybe it was a different news channel's feed that didn't pick up on the booing?

[indie_voter]

45. I saw it too, didn't hear any booing. He didn't smirk either. n/t

[kskiska]

95. Freeps were disappointed because

the boos were later edited out.

[Freddie Stubbs]

203. Here is a link to the audio of the incident

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

[kwolf68]

205. I didn't hear boos....

...

[Freddie Stubbs]

207. Me neither

:shrug:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

217. It cuts off too soon - no way to tell.

[chromotone]

22. They're just jealous...

Clinton has a heart...

[GliderGuider]

27. ROFLMAO!

Nice shot...

[wicket]

25. What a bunch of sick fucks!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[glitch]

26. Bet he smirked while they booed

People who see it on tv - let me know.

[BrotherBuzz]

28. Bush did nothing to stop them

and I'll wager sixty cents he smirked, to boot. This speaks volumes of that compassionate conservative crap.

[tandot]

29. Compassionate conservatism?

[Connie_Corleone]

30. Hopefully on TV

Maybe C-Span will air this later tonight. They usually show Bush's rallies.

[Dudley_DUright]

31. It is hard to imagine cheese-heads (even the wingnut variety)

behaving so viciously. I was born and raised in WI, and I am ashamed at this behavior.

[yardwork]

173. These probably weren't native Wisconsinites

Remember that chimp flies and buses supporters into his rallies. He has a core group of strong supporters who travel with him, sort of like chimp-heads. They make up the bulk of the audience at each of his so-called campaign stops.

He's not talking to local people at these stops. He's the star of a traveling photo-op.

[KAZ]

33. This tears it.

These fucking republicans will get no quarter from me. I'll no longer even make an effort to be polite. Fuck them, and the fucking families.

Sorry board. Had to vent.

[Book Lover]

35. Jesus must be smiling

as he sees "his people" displaying their humility and compassion. </sarcasm>

Today has been one of the worst news days I can recall, and this is just the rotten cherry atop the pile of crap. I have been crying all day because of what happened in Russia, and then I come across this bullshit. What petty, petty people these are. It makes me ill to think we share the same air.

[denverbill]

36. Can anyone say "Wellstone Memorial"? I knew you could.

But will this be the lead story on every talk show tonight - how the Republicans booed a seriously ill former President? Hell, no.

[ronnykmarshall]

38. Hope this makes the news

Show people what pricks Bush supporters are and how Bush did nothing to stop them.

[cthrumatrix]

42. email to Tweety and others .... let them see "compassion at work"

[expatriot]

39. oh my god... this is sick. so fricking sick... any video/audio of this?

[carpediem]

40. lovely. n/t

.

[NashVegas]

41. Maybe They Oughtta

Rethink that policy of shipping in the faithful and only the faithful.

[RamboLiberal]

43. Cretins - I can believe this - hope it's on the talking heads shows

And for the hell of it I submitted it to Sludge - let's see if he posts. :evilgrin:

I swear this is WAR!

I never understood in history how a nation of "civilized" people in Germany could sell their soul to a maniac! Sadly, now I know.

And remember this today - let's vow to never behave like these cretins when something happens to one of their party.

[Mike Niendorff]

91. re: "I never understood how ..."

"... a nation of 'civilized' people in Germany could sell their soul to a maniac! Sadly, now I know."

Same playbook, really: the unifying power of shared hatred, and the delusional power of self-congratulatory lies.


MDN

[Artemis Bunyon]

212. That's just too scary to think about... (eom)

x

[Malva Zebrina]

44. Laura will say that her husband has been booed millions of times

so this is OK.


The Tequila trollops will giggle.

[hatrack]

46. Not in person, he hasn't - his handlers wouldn't allow that!

Really classy bunch of fans you got there, George. Real classy.

[HuffleClaw]

47. story has since been REDACTED

BOOING VERSION
http://cbsnewyork.com/nynews/NY--Bush-Clinton-on/resources_news_html

NON-BOOING VERSION
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040903/ap_on_el_pr/bush_clinton&cid=694&ncid=1963&sid=96378798

(actuallly, you can thank the good folks at Free Republic for noticing this)

[lapfog_1]

49. GOP is exposed

Party of Lies and Hate on display for all to see.

They would have been better off canceling the convention!

Arnold - Nixon / Humphrey debate, Soviet tanks in Austria,
"economic girlie men"

Zell - What more needs be said.

purple heart bandaids (this AFTER Bob Dole's own purple heart,
or should we say "Black Heart").

Kicking protesters after dragging them to the floor.

Booing Clinton's health problems!

The more they get on TV, the better for the Democrats.

[Claire Beth]

50. was it televised???....

could the boo's be heard on TV???

[Freddie Stubbs]

159. Here is the audio of the event

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

[Feanorcurufinwe]

219. That audio cuts off to quickly to be able to tell

[lebkuchen]

51. That's today's GOP for you. No class hateful inhuman bastards

Did I mention "stupid?"

[ibegurpard]

If Clinton was speaking

about, for example, Reagan or someone like that and his audience booed he would have said something. I guarantee it.

[ibegurpard]

52. Delete

Dupe

[OKNancy]

53. No booing on the one I saw

Maybe it was another event, but I saw it on teevee, it happened right after Kerry's live announcement. I didn't hear any boos. Polite applause is what I would call it.

[agitpropagent9]

55. I just saw it too

I agree. There was no audible booing, but rather polite applause. I'll be watching for other networks' coverage to see if they picked up on something different, but this is looking like a tempest in a teapot.

[Guaranteed]

63. That's what I heard, too. nt

[jimbot]

54. Saw it on TV...didn't hear any boos

I just heard clapping...maybe the authors heard a few people in the crowd boo but I would imagine it was very few if the tv mikes didn't pick it up. The corrected story containing no boos makes me think that the authors embellished a little...stating "Bush did nothing to stop them" would imply that the boos were loud enough for Bush to hear -- if that was the case, I would have heard it too on TV. If the writer's did embellish, I hope this doesn't get a lot of play as you will hear "liberal media" repeated over and over again by the freeps. Hopefully a few more versions of the tv feed will come out with good audio so we can find out.

--JT

[cthrumatrix]

57. well they slammed Dean with the mic - if they want to report it ..they can

[LauraK]

56. Bill, Talk About Sucking All the Air Out of the Room

And now the boos! You ROCK Big Dog.

[flamingyouth]

58. Classy

But what would we expect from that lot.:eyes:

[marlakay]

60. Bush has them all stirred up to hate

Great...more hate in the country...just great.

[takumi]

61. Why Did He Have to Use the Word 'Swift'?

I think he was trying to be 'funny'.

[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

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[Raster]

67. but of course you didn't

[DrWeird]

71. Yes. Reagan was an asshole.

It's kind of like when Osama dies. People should be happy.

[TheWebHead]

78. do we have to regurgitate this ugly talk again?

look, I'm sure most of us disagreed with Reagan's policies, but let the man RIP.

[Bridget Burke]

83. No matter what Reagan did, his death was a blessing.

For him & his family, it was past time for him to go.

Bill Clinton is full of life & we'll need him for many more years.

[Kierkegaard]

64. Wow. Imagine that.

Who would have ever thought that Borscht was a crass, red-necked, simple-minded, giggle stick?

[wickywom]

69. Wierd... on ABC...

They cut in about two hours ago .. showed a brief statement by Hillary
then cut to Bush telling the crowd who
applauded respectfully...

I heard NO booing.

[Alpharetta]

72. very weird. I'd like to hear the tape too, but

I am not going to turn on the TV to hear it.

Maybe someone will find an online video.

[saigon68]

73. Its on this Website--- the booing

http://cbsnewyork.com/nynews/NY--Bush-Clinton-on/resources_news_html

The main stream media knows a bad thing for the BUSH CRIMINALS and is suppressing further comments.

[Emillereid]

86. CNN showed the clip of Bush's remarks and then instantly cut away to

something else giving NO audience response!

[54anickel]

96. Not there any longer as far as I can see. I'm from WI and hoping this

isn't true. Alas, it probably is though. Just like some of the nasty bumper stickers cropping up lately. WI, you used to be such a progressive state. I can't remember partisanship being this bad here before. :shrug:

[quaoar]

143. Drudge is claiming that AP retracted the part about the boos

But his evidence is a link to a transcript that just shows the word (applause) after Bush's remarks.

[Freddie Stubbs]

210. He also has an audio link

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

[Feanorcurufinwe]

218. Cuts off too soon to tell if there's booing

[Longhorn79]

150. I don't see any clip on that website

[Almost_there]

186. Could this story be a plant? I heard NO boos..

I listened to the audio clip, it has about 4 seconds of applause and cheers for Clinton, no boos that I could discern at all. The AP story has no byline, no author, nothing. A right wing friend of mine pointed out that the story could be a fake, and if it turns out to be a fake, then what? CBS ran this on their website, and as best as I can tell, there is no story. President Bush respectfully called President Clinton "President Clinton", as he should do, and the audience applauded and cheered, then it cut out.

:shrug:

If this thing is a planted story, it will just give the right wing ammo, pointing out that we are willing to go to any length to show how uncompassionate they really are. Ugh. Perhaps I've just missed something, I'm too tired from work right now.

~Almost

[wickywom]

76. I could be wrong ...

but I didn't hear booing-- they did cut away pretty quickly--ABC was the only
channel to break programming.
I'll give the CBS one a try.

[mainer]

74. Bushies must be terrified ... Clinton's demise would be disaster for them

Think of the aftermath. All the glowing TV retrospectives on the Clinton years, reminding America how good we had it under the Democrats. Foreign leaders lavishly praising the President they loved best. With all that praise for the Big Dawg, Bush would look terrible in comparison, and there'd be no room on the news for their rabid attacks on Kerry. It'd be Bill and more Bill for weeks to come.

So the Repugs probably really are praying that Bill does fine.

[Emillereid]

77. Attention Republicans: GO FUCK YOURSELVES!

Here's a link to www.thegreys.com mp3 called Attention republicans:

http://thegreys.com/mp3/attention.mp3

Check it out -- the poet/songwriter sums it all up quite nicely. They've also put out a bumper sticker that says: ATTENTION REPUBLICANS: GO FUCK YOURSELVES! It's the first bumper sticker to really express what I feel -- now if I can get the nerve up to put it on my car in my republican infested neighborhood!

[SquireJons]

79. I hope he keeps it up.

It will show undecided voters just how ugly the repugnant party really is.

[RamboLiberal]

80. Sludge has picked up the story put it in red

Just an FYI. Interesting that those of you who have seen the video couldn't hear any booing.

H'mmmm. Wonder what the truth is.

[nonkultur]

92. Sludge Developing

AP CLAIMS: 'AUDIENCE OF THOUSANDS BOOS' AFTER BUSH WISHES EX-PREZ 'SPEEDY RECOVERY'; 'Bush did nothing to stop them'...

THEN RETRACTS... AUDIO REVEALS LOUD CHEERS FOR EX-PREZ... DEVELOPING..


Rove and the Repugs will use this to claim media bias.

[SayitAintSo]

114. Can you say VOICE OVER ? n/t

[diablerie]

82. Morons,

I could see booing Rove/Rumsfield/Bush etc.

[readmylips]

85. bush got the response he wanted...boos for Prez Clinton...

when have bush or any of those criminal bushes ever gave a shit about President Clinton. bush knew he would get boos for Prez Clinton. I'd rather die of lepracy than to ever be a republican.

[Tight_rope]

87. Bush recreated repuke monsters!

[Libby2]

88. I saw it too.

I didn't hear any booing, there was polite applause.

[neomonkey]

90. Man it's getting so hard

Trying to keep my head up lately, I'm hopeful, all is not lost, that herd of slime that just put on the show in NY is gone and everyone is back in their respective states and business can get on as usual and I'm really hoping John Kerry finally rises to the occassion, but sometimes this gets all very frustrating and I choose to tune out the madness so as to give myself some peace, a respite from politics.

When shit like this happens though, it is impossible to ignore the madness, the despicable side of the aisle which calls itself "Republicans" - it's hard to not be affected. It's hard to face the fact that that faction can very well still own the White House for the next 4 years.

I can't begin to express my horror, my anger, my dismay, the utter futility.

[RobertSeattle]

94. Any video of this yet

Or did Rove get his special "memory eraser pen" out ala "Men in Black" and get everything fixed.

[Freddie Stubbs]

105. In the audio you can only hear cheers

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

[CCIE2BE]

99. Didn't hear any booing...

And the AP seems to of have retracted the statement. Although even if it was true I suppose some at DU are no better then the people who did. Remember all the bashing of Reagan when he died? I mean it is one thing if you don't like a person but to be so cruel to anyone is unacceptable, no matter where they stand in their political opinions.

[miss_kitty]

108. "retracted the statement"

or changed the story. so you were there then?

[CCIE2BE]

110. Same thing?

I would have considered those two things the same. Here is the audio... Maybe listen to it with an open mind http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

Take it however you want, but I suppose we will believe whatever we want.

[miss_kitty]

122. well next time maybe you'll think to include a link that supports

your story on the first post...i haven't listened yet...but i want to point out a couple of things that are REALLY obvious to me.

1) you expect to be believed w/o sourcing. i don't know you. why should i believe you?

2) "Take it however you want, but I suppose we will believe whatever we want." here it appears you are attempting to put me down w/o giving me a chance to listen "with an open mind", making an assumption that i don't have an "open mind." i see this as 'projecting.' just mho, though, I'll keep an "open mind"


and no. changing a story without pointing it out as a correction, or as a retraction are not the same thing. it's covering up, either the truth, or an incidence of bad reporting.

thanks for the link. i appreciate it. lying and inaccuracy serve no good end.

[miss_kitty]

127. and you are correct

even though he tape is short, people WERE cheering...it was good of you to bring this to everyone's attention.

again...thanks for the link

signed
ms open mind

[Longhorn79]

134. Sounds like cheering to me

Whoever made this story a story in the first place made a mistake. AP should have done some fact-checking before posting this tidbit.

[Gabysan]

111. Boos

I have listened to the tape several times and it sounds like cheers to me.

[miss_kitty]

138. well until CCIE2BE posted a link i wasn't privy to what you 2 heard

so like if you have a link to a story you want to refute, why not just offer it up on the first time you post? you are no one anyone around here knows, and you should be able to back up your claims as proof.

as for believing a story that is from the AP or purports to be from the AP, its a little more believable, however, apparently not infallible.

thanks for the heads up.

[Octafish]

102. The same type of people cheered when JFK was murdered.

"I was listening to the TV broadcast in the school lunchroom in New Orleans, Louisiana. My family had moved there from Seattle. When the announcement that President Kennedy had died was made all the southern kids got up cheered and celebrated. The people in the south hated Kennedy for trying to bring equal rights to blacks. I will never forget their hate for him all of my life." -- GW, Carnation, WA. USA

[CCIE2BE]

104. Why are you ignoring the facts?

Why are you ignoring the fact that the tape has no one booing and that the AP retracted the story??? Also why are you ignoring the hate for reagan that was displayed by many "democrats". Both "sides" have morons on them, lets be fair.

[Octafish]

116. What "facts"?

Here are the facts from my post: President Kennedy was murdered. Children of the hate-mongers cheered. Those are facts, as reported by people who were there. One of those I quoted above. Several others, some of whom post on DU, have also described similar events from that day. My "side" says that was wrong. I don't give a flying fuck for fairness.

BTW... Seeing how you must have confused my post with someone else's, let me ask you: Were you at the speech? Did you see it on TV? How do you know what the facts are?

[CCIE2BE]

117. No need to get hostile...

No need to get hostile my friend. Yes I did see the speech, not only did I see the speech but I have heard the speech too. http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3 Here is a link to the audio. I am simply saying to keep an open mind and don't rush to conclusions... I am not sure if people cheered when JFK was killed I didn't deny that fact either. I simply said that there are ignorant people out there and those ignorant people are both democrats and repugs. For example, look at what was said here and other pro democrat forums when Reagan died, or what would be said if either Bush was put in surgery...

I was not attacking anyone or trying to cause problems, I was simply stating my views on it. Is there something wrong with that? Am I being unreasonable somehow?

[Octafish]

137. Feel free to express your opinion. No hostility intended, my friend.

First, thanks for the link. I saw you posted it farther up on the thread and I'm looking forward to checking it out.

Second, I don't want to read shit from the other side here about "fairness." That's the first thing the pukes said about the DEM convention in Boston. "Oh, the Democrats have to be positive and fair." Nice. So, the puke pundits and Corporate McPravada make it so it's not fair to attack the unelected moron. It's only fair when Smirk and Sneer attack Kerry. That's why I have no truck for fairness.

I've posted here for three years. Tell me, please: When did DUers attack Reagan when he died? Many actually expressed sympathy for his suffering from Alzheimer's Disease and expressed condolences to his family. That's how most Democrats are -- kind-hearted people. With the exception of the trolls and plants, that's how most DUers were, as well.

As far as your opinion: Great! Feel free to express it any time, even if it goes against the grain or what I post. That's also how Democrats are -- they tolerate many perspectives, as long as they are not fascistic, totalitarian, communistic or otherwise criminal.

BTW: A heaty welcome to DU! Where ya been, CCIE2BE?

[Robbien]

148. Yes we have many new names here today trying very hard

to change the story.

The media reported what happened. The Bushies realized how bad it looked and now are sending out their team to try and wipe it all out.

Sorry, not buying.

[area51]

201. "new names here today trying very hard to change the story."

Yes, that's what it looks like.

I got to see a little bit of the clip on the BBC news that is played on Houston's PBS station, and it sounded to me like there were some boos.

[truthisfreedom]

103. AP has apparently corrected this story... there was no booing.

[Snellius]

107. You can bet they're cheering at the RNC

And Ratsicot and Rove are enjoying their cigars.

[Gabysan]

113. Sounded Like Cheers

Thanks for that correction. It would have been repugnant for people to applaud news just like that.

[eridani]

199. You mean they wiped out the evidence? n/t

[miss_kitty]

106. they didn't boo a guy...we was HAD!

message deleted by poster, since it was based on bad info....

on edit change subject line from: they booed a guy

[RichardCranus]

112. Complete lie. There was no booing

What moron claimed there was booing? Someone is trying to give Dems a black eye for making up bullshit.

AP has corrected this story to read there was no booing. Who did this?

[Carolab]

115. What are you talking about?

The REPUBLICANS booed. The AP report reads the same. Check the link.

[RichardCranus]

118. It's not an AP link

It's a local NYC CBS station link. http://cbsnewyork.com

Someone set us up because there was no booing. I saw the live feed and there was no booing.

[Vickers]

123. 'Someone set us up"

Hahaha! Did they set us up the bomb? ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

[RichardCranus]

125. Looks like a bomb to me

Someone is trying to make us look like we are now fabricating stories to suit our political goals. I hate dirty shit like this.

[Vickers]

126. Dude, if the worst "they" do is make "us" look like fabricators

"We're" sitting pretty!

;-)

[CCIE2BE]

128. You're kidding right?

come on now... you remind me of my step father just uhhh different. He is a strong right wing partisan jackass. I get in arguments with him all the time because of BS like this. Like the whole Kerry Vietnam thing... I dunno man but jumping to conclusions like that does nothing but make democrats look like fools. I mean no one knows what happened there and why this story was written the way it was. It could have been someone trying to make the supposed "liberal media" look bad, or it could have been the liberal media trying to make Bush and his supporters look bad. Who knows? Not I, not you...

[wicket]

132. hmmmm.....

:nuke:

[CCIE2BE]

144. What does that mean?

Does that mean I am too extreme or something? I assure you I am not an extremist but rather a fair rational person.

[Freddie Stubbs]

158. Perhaps some were too eager to believe this story

:shrug:

[Almost_there]

187. CBS is just whoring from the AP...

CBS New York was quoting verbatim the AP Wire story, which had no byline or anything. Listen to the audio, it honestly sounds like it should, Pres. Bush announcing "We have just been informed President Clinton is in the hospital. We wish him well and a speedy recovery." Applause, followed by cheers of what I would call support.

~Almost

[w4rma]

208. There is booing right at the beginnning.

It changes to applause and cheers.

[Freddie Stubbs]

214. The audio of the event tells the whole story

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/bush.mp3

[shrdlu]

119. boo-boo on boos...

BBC had video of dubya's statement. I did not hear boos. My impression is that the audience was cheering their compassionate conservative. (gag)

[Name removed]

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[CCIE2BE]

130. Hmmm, I agree with your point...

I agree with your point but you come off like an idiot when you call people names. I find it much better to explain your case and point of view in a calm fashion. Ask questions and listen to what they have to say in response. Most people can not do this though... Are you one of those people who can not?

[Name removed]

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[CCIE2BE]

139. Valid points but....

Instead of making general comments and how stupid you think they are for making such comments, you should instead question their comments and ask for explanation of their feelings. I know it sounds like BS but I find that works in most situations, and not only do I get my point across but I also get to learn if they have any valid points.

[quaoar]

145. Since you are new

You might try to avoid flaming with your very first post.

You might want to learn the lay of the land first.

Besides, I have not seen a retraction from AP. Only a comment posted on Drudge. And he has precious little to back it up.

[Gabysan]

131. Check what their saying at the RightNation site

http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=51439&st=0

[slauren22]

136. RightNation

For the most part, I saw prayers and well wishings...yes, there were a few bashes, but overall it was very civil and nice. What exactly did you see?

[snippy]

147. But as you point out in your post there you are a liar and proud of it.

Like Bush himself, his supporters have no honor or integrity.

Bush is a lying cock sucker who did not bother to even read the intelligence briefings warning of 9/11. And now he drapes himself in the flag he wipes his ass with and annoints himself in the blood of the victims of his indolence and greed.

[AlCzervik]

153. rightnation thinks Clinton's timing is suspecious

so please spare us from their prayer business.

[sid dicious]

162. Sigh...

I'm not going to that right-wing hate fest over there! I'm depressed enough that FoxNews now controls the media! President Chimpy was smirking shortly after he talked about President Clitor and you could tell that he was happy.

The sooner Clinton is gone the sooner the poor masses will forget about the 30000000 jobs lost under Shrub Co. 30 million jobs!!!! Even Kerry's 10,000,000 jobs created will leave us 2 million jobs short.

I'm so depressed right now. First the vitriol of the SSwiftWaffen for hate against John Kerry. A man who told the truth about the massacre in Vietnam. And now, the greatest President in my lifetime is in the hospital with his heart in danger. And these jackals are smirking his potential demise.

The media is showing its true colors now that they fear that the chimp could win again...

We're doomed...I just thought we could make it. I'm moving to sweeden. My ex girlfriend said I could stay with her and her husband if things get bad enough here....and dammit, it likes like time to get my passport updated as it's now 10 years old.

I haven't been here in a while. But dammit. After seeing this, I wish I had just ridding off into the sunset without looking. Folks like these Freepers and their ilk will run the country for the next 4 years people!!!

[CCIE2BE]

141. Nothing too bad...

I saw a few bashes by idiots but nothing compared to what I saw when Reagan died. Most the people there seemed to have been kind and wishing him the best...

[sid dicious]

168. Sure...they are too busy gloating over the damned donkey kong bounce

that chimpy has gotten from the swiftwaffenvets for the reich and their hit pieces against John Kerry! They blame him for lying about vietnam, so they make up lies about his record! Belive me if this happened to Clinton while he was in office, the RightKlan would be rejoicing and their aryan moderator would be just as happy.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

185. Geez, get over Reagan already

Most people on DU here were really kind and nice about it. Look back at the archives, Skinner addressed it. Either quit overstating the "Reagan bashing" that as going on here, or go complain about us on another message board. Damn.

[snippy]

140. Your hate makes your butt look big.

Bush is a lying cock sucker.

[CCIE2BE]

142. Was that post specifically crafted for irony?

Seriously was it?

[snippy]

149. Why do you ask?

[Longhorn79]

152. I think he's referring to your criticism of right-wing hatred

while in the mean time you offer us all a model of venomous bile that is hard to live up to. (not that I'm complaining)

[lordvader2112]

154. "I Like Big Butts....

...And I Cannot Lie".

Come on folks, seriously. The CBS Affiliate in New York hatched a grand conspiracy to make DU look bad?

Are you actually buying into this?

Or, (just perhaps!) they might have made a mistake....

[sid dicious]

163. Hillary hates Repugs!

But it's big in a good way! :)

[AlFrankenFan]

155. Empty words from an empty head n/t

[DuaneBidoux]

156. THEY DID NOT BOO

I heard a few very isolated screams or jeers, but hey there are always a few major assholes in any large group.

[Skittles]

164. at this point ONLY assholes could support Bush

nt

[sid dicious]

166. It's only gettin worse...

Seems to me like we're going to be like a docotor's finger on a prostate exam....surrounded by asshole! :(

[Skittles]

169. they don't even have to courtesy to hand over the vaseline

welcome to the DU - I love your tag name! :D

[sid dicious]

184. thanks

I've been here since Winter...just was without a computer for a few months...as I was sort of unemployed and had to sell my last one in March. :(

Now I'm working again...of course for 1/2 of my previous salary and four times as much medical coverage payments. But I digres. Thanks for rewelcoming me! :)

All this crap in the news about Chimpy got me feeling pretty damed isolated what with my workplace being pretty full of right wing fucks. At least they were gloteing over Bill's ailment, but they were laughing about the Repugs and swaggering like they were the ass chimp himself. This is like being at a reunion.

[DuaneBidoux]

196. Ah yes but if you read my post I said

MAJOR assholes boo Clinton (minor assholes just support Bush).

[Piperay]

157. Both sides

do this :shrug: I'm not going to get upset about it because it is not unique to one side or the other. It always hurts when it is the one you support but I remember seeing some ugly stuff about Reagan over here. You can rationalize it by saying "yes but they deserved to be booed or they deserve no sympathy" but it is still all in the "eye of the beholder". :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[glitch]

165. The boos are not as interesting as this thread - as someone above

there are assholes in every group. Usual response: tsk tsk and move on. But everyone by now knows from the Dean Scream blitz that audio can be manipulated, so the influx of posts saying they didn't hear boos hence there were no boos give me more even incentive to believe the original article.
But that's just me. ;)

[sid dicious]

167. amen

nt

[Junkdrawer]

172. Mega dittos, vidali

Massive influx of new posters "advising us" is usually more telling than anything else.

[Bluebear]

188. You said a mouthful

[Feanorcurufinwe]

220. Yep, when the contemporaneous report says one thing

and the after-the-fact reports revise history to make Bush and his supporters look better....

[franklyspeakingpress]

170. Bush is such a phony freak...

Not only did he convey best wishes for President Clinton and a speedy recovery, within the very next breath he was reinforcing his cult-like followers "again" regarding the terrorist issue. The guy is a big damned stinking phony baloney folks. And why should he call the audience on booing his comments towards Clinton's triple bypass surgery? Sorta sounds like he is maintaining his status quo, "I didn't do nuffin wrong" theory, "I just let everybody else do muh dirty werk fer me." ---ginger

[Snellius]

175. What galls me is knowing most Republicans think it's an act of god

You begin to realize at some point that there is just no communicating with these people. They're lost in their fear of TERROR and holy war against EVIL. Republibans.

[yardwork]

183. That's true but how do they explain the hurricanes in Florida?

When natural disasters happen in California Pat Robertson says it is the hand of God taking vengeance on sinners.

I'm not making light of the hurricanes and the terrible suffering, injuries, and deaths of those in their path. I'm agreeing with you that it is wrong for the right-wingers to claim the "hand of God" as a cause for anything. Trouble comes to everyone sooner or later.

As Jesus said, "Let those without sin cast the first stone."

The hypocrisy of these so-called "religious leaders" - including shrub - really makes me ill.

[Swamp Rat]

182. No matter what, this makes Bush look bad.

My thoughts are with you Bill... :hug:

[dkhbrit]

189. I despair

As an expatriate Brit living here in the USA I have tried to remain neutral and judge the government objectively and with respect. Sadly, the events of the last 3 years or so have really tested my patience. I cannot vote. I have no real voice here. I pay my taxes of course. No taxation without representaion? I guess that is long gone :smile:.

I objected to the war. I objected to the British invlovement in the war. I hated the loss of life on both sides. I can't begin to see how we are safer, more secure now that countless thousands have died. Just line up, let's say, 10,000 people against a wall and shoot them. Dead People 10,000 Progress 0. That's pretty much the net of where we are today as far as I can see. We have achieved nothing positive. Nothing. Yet the world watches on, and apart from the voices in cyberspace, and the tiny portion of the general media that gives a toss it just carries on. I thought perhaps there may just be a tiny hint of sorrow, acceptance - or just plain realism this week. Instead, we get disgusting images of people with plasters with purple hearts. I was absolutely stunnned. I spoke about this with people I work with. It was dismissed, much like a conversation about the weather or the baseball standings. I was genuinely moved seeing those people on the sreets in NYC. Thank goodness for them. And all the people here.

And today we see this.

I can't vote. I wish I could. Get these evil bastards out.

[Swamp Rat]

193. Welcome to DU!

I'm going to vote for Kerry for the both of us... for all of us.

Go watch some Blackadder re-runs. That'll cheer you up, if you like hardcore satire like me. Our generation is not the only one to suffer fools and tryants... or two giant stalking things. :toast:

[DuaneBidoux]

197. I was an expatriate American in France

Hey, I speak French, have married a French women, and have French family. My whole American family is Republican. Imagine my situation (freedom fries now?)

The irony is that I started life, and lived a great deal of my life as a Republican. But there is nothing similar with what I was now among these people. They have become corrupted. I voted Republican occasionally and actually think there are some reasonable ideas in some Republican circles. I have not abandoned this party (probably forever) because of their ideas but because of their behavior.

I am not ready to call these people fascists, but I have begun to wonder with this developing blindness and seeming inability for critical self analysis, would they be able to see it coming upon them should it get much closer. I no longer believe so.

Incidently, the real reason the French were against this war is quite simple. They believed, with their own history of meddling and failure intervening in the Middle East that what would happen is exactly what has happened. What I can't understand is why the British, with such a similar history and we would hope several humble pie lessons under their belts would follow Bush into this mess.

[devilgrrl]

194. Didn't sound like booing on the audio I heard.

:shrug:

[eridani]

200. Does someone have UNDREDACTED audio?

If that isn't there, no one can prove a thing one way or another.

[chum]

204. I SAW THE VIDEO - THERE WERE NO BOOS

I was surprized there wasn't but this dog won't hunt. The audience was totally respectful. There are a lot of real issues out there but this one is totally fake. I saw the video - and when I saw these threads I was totally surprized bcause it DIDN'T HAPPEN.

[w4rma]

209. There was booing right at the beginning.

It changes to applause and cheers.

[are_we_united_yet]

206. I don't swear often on this forum

But for all of those who booed on the recovery of President Clinton I can only say you lower than dog shit and I hope the 'terrusts' target you and those like you for you embody all that is wrong with America.

[jwirr]

211. Real True Christians

one and all!!!!! This is what is rapidly convincing me to abandon the church. The Bible says that "it is easy to love your brother....I say love your enemies". They don't even love fellow Americans, let alone their enemies. Not all those who say, "Lord, Lord" are of Christ.

[bamacrat]

213. What would you expect

from repubs, their evil vile creatures whose only agenda is taking over the world. And monkey boy's disgusting attempt to get swing voters by wish The Great One well is not a surprise.
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