Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:27 PM
Original message
Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60497-2004Sep3.html

FBI counterintelligence investigators have in recent weeks questioned current and former U.S. officials about whether a small group of Iran specialists at the Pentagon and in Vice President Cheney's office may have been involved in passing classified information to an Iraqi politician or a U.S. lobbying group allied with Israel, according to sources familiar with or involved in the case.

In their interviews, the FBI agents have also named two Israeli diplomats stationed in Washington and asked whether they would be willing recipients of sensitive intelligence, the sources added.

The investigators have asked questions about personnel in the office of Pentagon Undersecretary for Policy Douglas J. Feith as well as members of the influential Defense Policy Board, an advisory panel for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumseld, according to former U.S. officials who have been questioned and others familiar with the case.

Investigators have specifically asked about a group of neo-conservatives involved in defense issues, including Feith, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz, Iraq and Iran specialist Harold Rhode and others at the Pentagon. FBI agents also have asked current and former officials about Richard Perle of the defense board and David Wurmser, an Iran specialist and principle deputy assistant for national security affairs in Cheney's office, according to sources familiar with or involved in the case.

...more...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. Wow! They name Cheney in the headline!
This is explosive. Of course, it's also in the Saturday paper which nobody reads.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:39 PM
Response to Original message
2. Perle, Rhode and Wolfowitz did not return telephone calls
Edited on Fri Sep-03-04 10:40 PM by seemslikeadream
Perle, Rhode and Wolfowitz did not return telephone calls placed to their homes and offices late Friday. Reached at home, Feith declined comment, citing the ongoing investigation.

Controlled burn?



Congress Must Investigate Spy Scandal by Rep. John Conyers


I write to ask that the Judiciary Committee commence an immediate full investigation and examine substantial and credible evidence that Pentagon officials have engaged in criminal wrongdoing in their handling of classified material and have engaged in unauthorized covert activities.

Press reports have recently disclosed that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is currently examining whether a Pentagon analyst, Larry Franklin, illegally passed along a classified document involving the policy of the United States toward Iran. It is not yet known whether Mr. Franklin was acting on his own, or whether he was acting at the behest of his superiors. The fact that a rogue element of the United States government may have been working with a foreign government in possible contravention of current foreign policy is a grave matter that should be of concern to every American.

Unfortunately, based on media accounts, it now appears that these allegations may be only the tip of the iceberg of a broader effort of Pentagon employees working in the office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, Douglas Feith, to conduct unauthorized covert activities, without the knowledge of the Central Intelligence Agency. According to press accounts, it also appears that these activities may have involved other disclosures of classified information to foreign governments (1) and the falsification of documents.(2) In addition, these activities may well constitute criminal misappropriation of federal funds.(3) All of these allegations, if true, involve potential violations of federal criminal law and are, therefore, within the jurisdiction of the Judiciary Committee.

To fully investigate these allegations, I would suggest that the Committee examine the following questions:

(1) Did Pentagon officials illegally give classified information to members of the Iraqi National Congress or to discredited Iraqi exile Ahmed Chalabi? Were White House officials, including officials in the Office of the Vice President, aware of such activities? Did Mr. Chalabi then pass along such materials, including information that the United States had broken Iran's communications codes, to Iran?

(2) Did Pentagon officials illegally obtain and disseminate false intelligence information to further the (now discredited) assertion that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction? Were Pentagon officials either the conduits for or originators of documents claiming Iraq had made efforts to acquire such records, including fraudulent documents claiming Iraq had attempted to buy weapons grade uranium from Niger? Were White House officials, including officials in the Office of the Vice President, aware of such activities? What role (if any) did officials in the NSC, including Elliott Abrams, have in these actions?

(3) Did Pentagon officials conduct illegal and unauthorized meetings with foreign nationals, including Iranian and Syrian nationals, to plan or direct covert activities against foreign governments? Did Pentagon officials provide monetary or other assistance to such foreign nationals, including a known arms dealer, Manucher Ghorbanifar? Did such meetings involve any foreign intelligence officials, including the head of Italian military intelligence (SISMI), or other foreign military officials? What role (if any) did officials in the NSC, including Elliott Abrams, have in these actions?

(4) Did Pentagon officials obtain information about the covert status of Central Intelligence Agency operative Valerie Plame? Was such information obtained illegally? Was such information illegally shared with White House officials, including officials in the Office of the Vice President?

While I am fully cognizant that many of these activities may be the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation, there is ample precedent that such an investigation does not preclude, and will not be interfered with as a result of, a concurrent congressional investigation. Recently, when allegations were made about the mishandling of classified information in the National Archives by a former Clinton administration official, you and other Committee chairmen affirmed this principle.

I urge you to treat this request with the utmost importance. These matters may well constitute the greatest subversion of our democracy and compromising of our national security since the Iran-Contra affair. It is of paramount importance that our committee begin work on this matter immediately.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/conyers.php?articleid=3488

Letter from Rep. John Conyers to the Judiciary Committee OK to post in full


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:13 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'm Really Surprised More People Are Not Replying to this
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. What should we expect from this?
What, Israel's friends in government are going to allow this to go far? Starting with, oh, the Justice Department? Let alone the issue of pardons.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Do You Know That for Sure
I don't. I want to know more, so that I can hold these people accountable whether through marckes or my artwork. Sure.... it's frustrating, but a hell lot more important than some Drudge Report that gets at least 20 replies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Lots of comments
when this 1st came out but now most of us are waiting for further developments. Ashcroft has already delayed the indictements. No surprise there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Can ASScrack's delay be Superceded?
And is this just a delay tactic?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #6
11. Plenty of developments here
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 01:14 AM by Snazzy
Largest of all is that this alive, although page 5, in WaPo.

I think that a part of low replies on something like this (and I know there's many similar stories--I post some of 'em) is that we here, DU, are way ahead in dissecting and projecting who's involved in scandal-X.

But there's quite a bit of news here, at least to me, amazingly enough published in the the WaPo and not on DU, other relatively obscure media, or some fine blog.

Allow me to walk through the article for a sampling:

1. Cheney in Headline #1 (although not in the click through head).

2. Investigators interview Defense Policy Board.

3. David Wurmser's name is highlighted.

4. The question asked: "The initial interest was: Do you believe certain people would spy for Israel and pass secret information?"

5. That Franklin passed a "draft presidential directive."

(6A&B) ("A federal grand jury in Alexandria may take up the Franklin case as early as next week" and "One aspect of the probe concerns AIPAC and another looks at whether intelligence on Iran ended up in the hands of Iraqi National Congress leader Ahmed Chalabi" -- I've seen, but good info for WaPo readers).

6. Great quote: "Iran has been a particularly controversial issue within the Bush administration, which still does not have a formal policy more than 3 1/2 years after taking office." Why? Neocon's didn't want one except overthrow.

7. The root of all evil: "Wurmser, Feith and Perle were co-authors of a 1996 policy paper for then-Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu titled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm." It called for removing Hussein from power in Iraq as part of a broad strategy to transform the region and remove radical regimes."

8. Even greater quote: "...officials also concede that Israel is one of the three countries most active in spying on the United States."

9. Conyers: "yesterday, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee demanded that a new prosecutor be assigned." Who said "the role of U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty in the case has "obvious political implications." He calls for Special Counsel or Fitzgerald, the guy leading the Plame investigation, to take over.

-------

So, some of it is a recap--but, if you read carefully, there is some subtle but new info--subtle but ever more bunker-buster explosive--and also a 'keep alive' in one very significant daily.

These crimes from this admin. are indeed worse than Watergate, but it is the Watergate of our times.

Allow me to toss in my own sorta ignored LBN:

White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001

(That's Condi and Hadley) Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x800454

Bushco. knew a foreign power was running ME policy. Condi dragged it right into the Whitehouse, like a cat proudly bearing its master a trophy of a well poisoned mouse. Lacking clue, they abdicated nearly all policy because Whistleass' Whitehouse is a politics only machine, thanks to Rove and whatever deal Cheney and Poppy worked out. Nat'l Sec. Adviser Condi, with full awareness, essentially signed off on Israel, through the Neocons at DoD, running ME policy. This despite it being obvious that it breaks half a gazillion laws and they were being actively though embryonically investigated for the possibility of just that. They could have shut it down (Feith's back channels) in 2001, instead they ordained it. They could have built a firewall as soon as they knew FBI/and whomever was on this. Instead they failed in wishing it away, and this is going to explode big time.

The only question is now or in the history books?

Can we make it now?

(edit: trying to perfect the Condi poisoned mouse phrase--need to do more creative writing, clearly.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. This subject has been discussed
Edited on Fri Sep-03-04 11:56 PM by seemslikeadream
Here are some of the threads

White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=800454

Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029

Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333

Ashcroft Nixes Arrests in Israeli Spy Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796806

Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817

Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167

Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060

Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161

AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332

WP: Spy Probe Expands/Linked to NSC Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795385

FBI seizes computer from AIPAC offices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=791564

F.B.I. Interviews 2 Suspected of Passing Secrets to Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=792950

FBI intensively reviewing several high-profile neocons going back 30 years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2294390
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. Yes, we must investigate and the case will be solve-ed
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:56 PM
Response to Original message
9. Didn't Ashcroft call off some planned arrests in this case?
And why wans't this reported in the major press?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. yes here
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 12:25 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC