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kungfugrip Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:35 PM
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CNN: Gallup poll shows Bush Bounce at 2 points.
Edited on Mon Sep-06-04 02:35 PM by kungfugrip
Bush leads 52-45%. The bounce only shows in men. The lead balloon is the lowest Gallup post convention bounce for an incumbent in 20 years.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:37 PM
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1. that ain't much of a bounce
maybe a spring broke :)
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bobd Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:39 PM
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2. This is VERY Confusing
Your headline says Bush got a 2 point bounce but your text says Bush is ahead 52 to 45 which is 7 points. Huh?

Do you have a lincque to this story?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:40 PM
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3. The poll in question had Bush at 50% before the convention
nothing confusing at all.
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bobd Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:42 PM
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5. Is there a Link to this Story?
n/t
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:44 PM
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6. A bounce number is not the same as the % difference.
Say the candidates are 50-50. One gets a 2 point bounce so it's 52-48. That's a 4 point difference, but a 2 point bounce.
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bobd Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:48 PM
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8. OK, But is there a LINK to this Story?
It's not on the CNN web site that I can find.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:41 PM
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4. Welcome to DU
That's a small bounce, all right. But 52 to 45 isn't something I'm ready to celebrate just yet.

:hi:
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:51 PM
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9. How about that it's 49-48 Bush over Kerry among
registered voters in this poll? That is good news.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:47 PM
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7. What's the margin of error? If it's 3-points, there may be NO bounce
which would be 49-48 -- a dead heat.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:51 PM
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10. I need something a little more solid - got a link?
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kungfugrip Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:56 PM
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12. It's aired on Inside Politics w/ Judy Woodruff.
Polls will be out tommorow.
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:54 PM
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11. lol
so much for those Newsweek/Time polls
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vaguard Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:41 PM
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19. lol
lol
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:04 PM
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13. 2000's Trend Chart...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 04:01 PM
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24. They misoverestimated him in 2000
.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:18 PM
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14. The jig is up kind of early
Possibly the media has been asked to swallow a bit too much. It is apparent that the "other bounce" that was serendipitously added to the Convention show was thew SWBVT slur factor. That was starting to get slammed and reversed just before W snuck into NYC and tried to seamlessly build in a higher tone, few specifics negativity.

Separating the two AFTER all the headline damage possible has been done is trying to clamp down and separate BOTH advantages and fix "closeness" and "folks are already decided" in digital cement. First a big lie- then a little brief truth- then more big lie- wait for it wait for it- OK a little truth if you insist.

And so on to November. Whether it works or not it also serves to occupy(love that word) the Dems until the predictable Rose garden roundhouse and debate(survive means thrive)lays more smoke for endless vote fraud.

About debates. With no fixed structure the incumbent(in this case a desperate tyrant) gets the last word- maybe. Carter led the way to disaster by being both fair and unsuspecting. Survive. Simply show up and look OK, while intimate knowledge of the predictable rule keeping Dem might even be fed into the world's most sophisticated earplug. Then thrive(second debate watched mostly by revved up, suspense ridden
base nuts) if there is "no knockout punch" and the Mr. Personality game is stolen. That is hardly a debate of the issues and record although the media will shuffle judgments and "equal" critiques until the readership is bored to tears and indifference.

Common sense polls here are less prone to inbuilt fantasy and when they are, they are painfully visible. The pro star gazers on the other hand, Nostradamus fashion and eager to sell, are doing what most bad pros do- something besides their primary job. If you work under lousy management, you know what epidemic I am talking about. According to our talks among people, Bush core(a losing minority) is holding steady but not very enthusiastic. The ABB crowd has grown within Bush's own party and ekes into the core, especially honest naifs who suddenly have felt the effects of the sucker pyramid scam that is their unlikely coalition. The military continues to percolate away from Bush. Michael Moore's film(now subject verboten in substance in the media) will have a larger effect than any other book or visual(which is too bad since Moore is still way too kind to Bush as are most of his enemies). The Dems are united. Labor is turning out more than ever(No NPR buts please, the fact means more passion, more people, more votes). Bush is acting very exposed on the lousiest record imaginable for an incumbent. For once he needs an absolute Pravda and no one can get that.

Their blunders in the black cloak department are exposed and incompetent, often counter-productive. Bushco putting the best face on things is more than a bluff, but it still is a bluff. An attempt to shut down vote fraud BEFORE the election, more oil lines taken out by non-card carrying BFEE Arab resistance. Even if the general public gets nothing else, exposure to Kerry and Bush and the evil background of Bushco results will drive the subconscious except for short bursts of blindness.

Grind the numbers down. Let the polls be a guide to that satisfying work, but anecdotal experience with people will be a safer guide to how things are really going. The media use of polls is a trap. They are just poor things to hang your emotional life on. Don't let them determine momentum and the self-serving prophecy that allows them to keep their "scientific" credentials within the mystical "margin of error". I have HEARD a Zogby pollster on NPR and the kindly pushing for opinion. The whole field ain't that great. It's just the slack jawed media looking for some experts to bail them out of doing their own job.

And nothing in the spin can disguise the trouble Bush is in- and going
down down down.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:25 PM
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15. Thats pretty pathetic We can say the Repub Convention
was a disaster

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:28 PM
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16. W was at 50% BEFORE the convention?
Link?
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kungfugrip Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:45 PM
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20. No link yet. Go to gallup.com for pre-bounce polls.
Bush was at 50% thanks to the Swifties.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:36 PM
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17. It was a pathetically staged event, as is all Bush thinks is necessary
to win. The twins and their air headed giggling, combined with their atrocious sense of "fashion" were almost frowned upon by the delegates and the Laura appearance was a waxed up , botoxed barby doll, grown up with a fat ass to prove it, but air headed woman, spouting senseless platitudes. Her speech was a flop also.



They go on however, pretending it was a total success to the dismay of those Republicans who do, in fact, have a sense of reality.

They fooled few it appears with this Hollywood extravaganza.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:38 PM
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18. Odd, that stats would be so out of whack with registered voters
Edited on Mon Sep-06-04 03:46 PM by Snellius
Usually, Bush has a largely margin among registered and "likely voters". Last I heard there aren't many places where one can vote without being registered and, unless they expect all these people to go rushing out to their local county registrar in the next fews weeks, so what?

It's also interesting that CNN and USA Today always seems to highlight whichever method favors their boy. USA Today is going with the headline: "Bush leads Kerry by 7 points". Rather than "After convention president only leads by 2 points."
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:46 PM
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21. link at gallup
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:47 PM
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22. Link at USA Today
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kungfugrip Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 03:49 PM
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23. LIKELY VOTERS VS. REGISTERED VOTERS!!!!!!!
Michael Moore was right. We'll have much higher voter turnout. It's a friggin dead heat right now. God darn CNN.
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