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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:22 AM
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"Private war" soldiers appeal for U.S. embassy help
08 Sep 2004 12:51:33 GMT

Source: Reuters

(Adds embassy saying letter forwarded to Washington)

By David Brunnstrom

KABUL, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Three Americans on trial in Afghanistan for illegally imprisoning and torturing Afghans have appealed to the U.S. ambassador to request the charges be dropped, lawyers for two of them said on Wednesday.

One of the men, Jonathan "Jack" Idema, has said his actions were sanctioned by the U.S. Defense Department, the FBI and the Central Intelligence Agency and that they had denied links with him due to embarrassment over the prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq.

Idema, a former Green Beret, is on trial with Brett Bennett and Ed Caraballo. Bennett is another ex-soldier and Caraballo an Emmy award-winning cameraman who was making a documentary. The men face up to 20 years in jail if convicted.

Idema's lawyer, John Edwards Tiffany, and Caraballo's lawyer, Robert Fogelnest, criticised the Afghan justice system as inadequate to handle such a trial.
more
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL115465.htm
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:41 AM
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1. They are asking Negroponte for help?
Hmmmm.

It wouldn't be hard to believe if Negroponte was the person to hire them in the first place.
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:48 AM
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3. negroponte's the ambassador to iraq.
not sure who the ambassador to afghanistan is...probably the guy from doonesbury...
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Surf Cowboy Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:47 AM
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2. Let 'em rot...
To hell with them. Let this be a lesson to mercs that this WH can't be trusted any more than they can. You buy the ticket, you take the ride. These guys are supposed to be black bag--they're supposed to expect this kind of thing and handle it quietly.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 10:09 AM
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5. and let the men who pull the strings go free?
why?

I for one think it's a good thing these mercs don't handle it quietly. I don't think charges against them should be dropped, but i do think charged should also be brought against anyone in the governement who is involved with these mercenaries. That would not happen if all we'd do is let the mercs rot in hell. I want Rumsfeld amongst others, to rot in hell with them.
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Surf Cowboy Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 12:17 PM
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9. We'll never get the big guns. But we can sure as hell discourage more
bullets in the form of Mercs. I say to turn them over to the Arab nationals and let them decide on the most appropriate punishment for fighters not aligned with any government (ie. terrorists).

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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:56 AM
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4. Sheesh, didn't these guys ever watch "Mission Impossible"? (TV series)
What is it that tape at the beginning always says?

"...if any of your IMF force is caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions..."

Sorry. No sympathy for mercenaries here.


:nuke:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 10:26 AM
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6. Have to use idiots
who take out no "insurance" so confident and trusting are they. If the fix was in they would have kept their mouths shut and waited for the pardon.

Expendable stooges. And they got caught in an election year.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 10:46 AM
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8. Idema has a bit to do with the election "year" in Afghanistan
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 10:50 AM by seemslikeadream
Threads on Idema


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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 10:33 AM
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7. Just like the reThugs dismissed Zell
so will the neocons to these men. buh bye now......
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 03:13 PM
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10. Illegal Combatants
Is all I can think of. What comes around goes around.

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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:19 PM
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11. "operating guidance" is to hide the "American hand."
October 15, 1970." This Memorandum includes a
discussion of covert plans promoting a coup in Chile,
and the overthrow of Allende, known as "Track II."
Kissinger orders the CIA to "continue keeping the
pressure on every Allende weak spot in sight."

http://universitypress.info/AmericaBetrayed11.html

The Deutschebank is also in business with the CIA.
One month before 9/11, the Financial Times of Asia,
Wire-Business Line (54), carried an article which
directly linked Deutschebank to the CIA, as well as to
unnamed individuals in Afghanistan.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 10:18 PM
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12. US ‘vigilantes’ met Karzai’s brother
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 10:21 PM by seemslikeadream

KABUL: Lawyers for two of three Americans on trial for kidnapping and torturing Afghans in a vigilante counter-terror operation said on Wednesday they had videos showing the trio met Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s brother.

John Edwards Tiffany, lawyer for ringleader Jonathan Idema, said the videotapes, which had been among material temporarily confiscated by the FBI, showed “the three Americans being warmly greeted at the Kabul Airport by Afghan officials upon their arrival.” “The officials include Haji Timor, the director of the Kabul Airport; General Babajan who is the commander of the Kabul and Afghan National Police, and President Karzai’s brother,” Tiffany told a press conference in Kabul.


Idema, Brent Bennett and Edward Caraballo are on trial on charges of illegally kidnapping, jailing and torturing Afghans as well as entering Afghanistan without permission or proper documentation. Tiffany, who only arrived in Kabul late August, said the latter charge was disproved by other videotapes — already played in court — showing the three meeting high-level Afghan officials.

Babajan subsequently arrested the three Americans and had been present in court on several occasions but had not come forward to acknowledge greeting the three on their arrival in Afghanistan, the lawyer added. Idema claims the group was working with the full knowledge of US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to hunt down terrorist suspects.

He says it foiled plots to assassinate senior government leaders and US troops. Tiffany said the group had detained a suspect named Ghulamsaki, who had confessed to a plot to assassinate top Afghan government officials.

He said Ghulamsaki’s brother-in-law Daoud was Osama Bin Laden’s security chief. The American trio were arrested in July for allegedly running a private prison and counter-terrorism operation in Kabul. They could face up to 20 years in jail if found guilty. The trial, which began July 21 and had two hearings in August, will resume on Sunday.
more
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_11


3 Americans Urge Dropping of Charges They Ran Afghan Jail
By CARLOTTA GALL

Published: September 8, 2004


ABUL, Afghanistan, Sept. 8 — Lawyers representing two of the three Americans accused of running a private jail and kidnapping and torturing prisoners said today that they had asked the United States ambassador here to request that the Afghan authorities drop the charges.

The lawyers, John Edwards Tiffany, who is representing the suspected ringleader Jonathan K. Idema, and Robert Fogelnest, representing Edward Caraballo, said that Afghan prosecutors had told them they would withdraw the charges if the ambassador requested.

A spokeswoman at the United States Embassy in Kabul confirmed that Zalmay Khalilzad, the ambassador and special envoy to Afghanistan, had received a letter from the lawyers and had forwarded it to the State Department in Washington for guidance. Until now, American officials have been content to allow the Afghan authorities to detain and try the three men.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/international/asia/08CND-TRIA.html
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