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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:44 AM
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Reuters: Jobless Claims Drop Sharply Last Week (claims fell to 319,000)
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 07:47 AM by papau
http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/ui/current.htm
September 9, 2004 UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE WEEKLY CLAIMS REPORT

SEASONALLY ADJUSTED DATA

In the week ending Sept. 4, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 319,000, a decrease of 44,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 363,000. The 4-week moving average was 339,250, a decrease of 3,750 from the previous week's unrevised average of 343,000.

The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.3 percent for the week ending Aug. 28, unchanged from the prior week's unrevised rate of 2.3 percent.

The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending Aug. 28 was 2,898,000, an increase of 20,000 from the preceding week's revised level of 2,878,000. The 4-week moving average was 2,888,750, an increase of 2,500 from the preceding week's revised average of 2,886,250.

UNADJUSTED DATA

The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 274,686 in the week ending Sept. 4, a decrease of 2,969 from the previous week. There were 322,501 initial claims in the comparable week in 2003.

The advance unadjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.1 percent during the week ending Aug. 28, unchanged from the prior week. The advance unadjusted number for persons claiming UI benefits in state programs totaled 2,605,340, a decrease of 22,093 from the preceding week. A year earlier, the rate was 2.5 percent and the volume was 3,120,553.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/index.html

Economists Lower Second Half U.S. GDP Forecasts, Survey Finds
Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Higher energy prices are prompting economists to reduce U.S. growth forecasts for the third and fourth quarters of 2004, a monthly Bloomberg News survey showed (year is forecast at 4.3% lagging 4.5 percent growth in 1997 and 1999 and 7.2 percent in 1984).

The world's largest economy will grow at a 3.7 percent annual rate from July through September, slower than the 3.9 percent estimated last month, according to the median of 61 forecasts. Economists have slashed a half percentage point from third-quarter forecasts over the past two months. <snip>

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=apQPuYfAhdjs&refer=news_index

U.S. Jobless Claims Probably Fell to 345,000, BN Survey Finds
Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The number of Americans making initial jobless claims may have fallen to 345,000 last week, returning to the average level for the year after a surge in filings related to Hurricane Charley, economists said ahead of today's Labor Department report. <snip<

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&ncid=749&e=1&u=/nm/20040909/bs_nm/economy_jobless_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of Americans filing initial claims for jobless pay fell much more than expected last week, government data showed on Thursday, but bad weather and the Labor Day public holiday buffeted the result. ...A Department analyst said the drop partly reflected a fall in claims from Florida due to Hurricane Charley.

Wall Street had forecast a substantial fall in claims to 346,000 from the originally reported 362,000 the previous week, which had also been influenced by Hurricane Charley....On the other hand, the Labor Day public holiday on Monday may have impacted seasonal adjustment factors, the analyst added.

The four-week moving average of filings, which smoothes weekly fluctuations to provide a better picture of underlying trends, retreated by 3,750 to 339,250 from 343,000. <snip>

The number of unemployed on the benefit rolls after claiming an initial week of aid rose by 20,000 to 2.898 million in the week ended Aug. 28, the latest for which figures are available.







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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:46 AM
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1. Jobless Claims Always Dip Around Holiday Week
It happens all of the time. People are not going to spend the last week of the summer going to the UE office.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:48 AM
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3. ?? Because they need to go on vacation?
People don't take a week off to go to the beach when they just lost their job.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:50 AM
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4. It is a "seasonal adjustment thing" - :-)
Even the DOL spokesperson this morning noted that the date Labor day fell on did not fit the Seasonal Adjustment model they are using!

Still a good report to get us back to the average disaster level of Bush number of around 345,000.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:16 AM
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9. Tell that to the kids.
:eyes:
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:15 PM
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14. I know what you're saying... but
that's exactly what I would tell the kids.

Now, if "vacation" means "drive a couple hours to grandma's house" I could see it happening. But if I was planning on a beach vacation or Disney, or or or...

It would be a very useful lesson for the kids. One that my generation never grew to respect the way our parents and parents' parents learned during the depression.

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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:47 AM
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12. Wrong.
People take vacations, working or not working. It doesn't cost much to jump in a car and go on the road, visit a relative, or go to a national park. In fact, they're more likely to hit the beach for a week, and then file for UE.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:47 AM
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2. unemployed on the benefit rolls rose by 20,000
Youch
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:36 AM
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8. Checking these unemployment parlor games they run in headlines...........
Is akin to trying gage how the stock market is doing by only looking one days daily ticker. With known crooks and murderers calling the shots, it makes it kind of hard telling what information your really getting.


September 30, 2002

How government plays the budget game

By John Maggs, National Journal

(snip)
1. Loading the Dice

Even before the government begins to make a budget, the process is skewed by official manipulation of forecasts for economic growth, revenue, and spending rates. This practice is akin to what badly run corporations do all the time-exaggerate their long-term growth projections and underestimate their long-term expenses. For the government, the most famous and still archetypal example was the Reagan administration's concoction of a "Rosy Scenario" to put forward a 1982 budget of tax cuts and spending increases that would be sustained by an unrealistic growth rate of 5 percent a year in the economy.

Most of the time, the techniques the White House and Congress use to spin their forecasts are fairly opaque. The bad faith behind the Reagan example is well-known only because then-Budget Director David Stockman decided to come clean in an interview with William Greider in The Atlantic Monthly.

The popular version of history has it that the Rosy Scenario was the product of "supply-side" economics-the discredited idea that tax cuts would produce enough economic growth, even in the short-term, to offset the loss of revenue. In fact, there were no supply-side assumptions in the Reagan budget, just an unrealistically high forecast for growth.

2. Assuming Virtue

One of the common ways the government distorts its budget forecasts is to assume it will behave in cautious, responsible and thoroughly unprecedented ways. For example, the Office of Management and Budget currently assumes that discretionary spending (the spending that has to be approved by Congress every year) will grow at about 2.5 percent a year-roughly the rate of inflation—when it has always grown at a much faster rate. And the pressures for higher spending are particularly strong now that the government is ramping up the war on terrorism.
(snip)
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0902/093002nj1.htm
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:00 AM
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5. Still Unemployed Here 51 Months
Unemployment claim - what's that?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:06 AM
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6. Still unemployed after 12 months ....
I'm sorry to say: I can only take solace in NOT having been unemployed for 51 months ....

I'm sorry mhr .... I know it's hard ....

But all is A-ok: Frodo will tell you how wonderful this economy is ...

DONT let your own facts be your guide: just swallow some of Bush's fallacious bromide: you will feel all better ....

snicker .....
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:29 AM
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7. After I Up-Chucked A Few Times, Frodo Got Tired Of Feeding Me Bromide
I guess he got tired of the mess!
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:21 PM
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15. Not at all tired of it.
I won't pretend that 319k initial filings is anything but a very good number. Clinton didn't get that low at all during his first term.

And every one of those 319k think it's BAD. I accept that. And I realize it's your reality. But it doesn't change the facts.



Some day soon you'll get a great job and your view of the how things are going will change. And Kerry's economic numbers will look rosy. And when he gets unemployment down to where it was pre-Bush there will STILL be millions of people looking for a job and THEIR view of how things are going won't match yours. But since it's all about you... you won't care?
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:09 PM
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17. Frodo seems to be the eternal optimist for Bush
right on schedule:eyes:
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arlib Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:07 PM
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19. Don't forget...
...eternal apologist as well.;-)
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SierraMtns Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:26 AM
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10. Wow! How do you do it?
I have not been out of work for more than two weeks since 1973 and have lost many jobs. I have had to take many cuts in pay at times but I could not live with myself if I didn't make an effort to work for a living.

I could use a three week vacation someday but it may be after I retire.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:43 AM
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11. I've been working fulltime since 1971
and have lost many jobs, just like you. But I always had something, even if it was just temping. This January, I am taking, for the first time ever, a month off, which I will be spending in Costa Rica. It only took me two years to save up the vacation time. Come on. You can do it!!!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:49 PM
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16. Welcome to DU, SierraMtns.
But saying "I could not live with myself if I didn't make an effort to work for a living" was a tad bit insulting without knowing the circumstances of the poster you were responding to. What's that about?
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SierraMtns Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:05 PM
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18. I was speaking only for myself
I certainly bear no judgment on the working status of others. Sorry for the confusion.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:50 AM
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13. Experts on Bloomberg said it will be worse
They said people in Florida weren't able to file. The offices were closed. Look for this number to go up.

More than one person said that.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:34 PM
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20. Jobless on Labor Day
<snip>
The national unemployment rate went down to 5.4 percent in August, from 5.5 percent, according to figures released last week by the U.S. Department of Labor. But the total number of people who are still unemployed stayed about the same, at approximately 8 million. And 6.1 million people fall under the category of “hidden unemployment.” Of those, 4.5 million are working part-time but want to work full-time, and 1.6 million have looked for a job but are not looking now, including half a million people who have grown too discouraged to look for work.

The Bush administration and most news reports emphasized the slight drop in total unemployment, along with the addition of 144,000 new jobs in August. But to keep up with the growth in the adult population, the nation must generate about 150,000 new jobs a month.
<snip>
http://www.eldiariony.com/noticias/detail.aspx?section=25&desc=Editorial&id=983172
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:27 PM
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21. Gloomy forecast for U.S. economy
Recession may be on horizon, report warns
By Dean Calbreath
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
September 8, 2004

The U.S. economy is running the risk of another recession just as California seems to be climbing out of the last one, economists at the UCLA Anderson Forecast warn in a quarterly forecast to be released today.

The report runs counter to the thinking of Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and other national economists. They say the country has merely run into a rough patch and will soon resume its expansion.

The Anderson Forecast, a nationally respected economic prognosis, warns that sluggishness in corporate and consumer spending, coupled with an overheated housing market, could throw the nation into a recession by 2006. <snip>

"As a best case, look for the economy's current slow patch to be sustained indefinitely, with no resumption of the dynamic growth the Street is looking for. Alternatively, be prepared for a consumer-led pullback to induce a recession sometime in the next two years." <snip>

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20040908-9999-1b8economy.html


Dollar Trades Near One-Week Low on U.S. Growth Outlook Concern

Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar traded close to its lowest in a week against the euro amid concern an acceleration in U.S. growth in the third quarter won't be as fast as some economists previously expected.

The U.S. currency fell 0.7 percent yesterday after Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan told a Congressional committee that retail sales data for August ``have been mixed,'' while inflation is slowing. Economists shaved half a percentage point from their median estimate of growth in the third quarter in the past two months, according to a Bloomberg survey.

``The market had been expecting an upbeat tone from Greenspan and he gave a measured outlook, hurting dollar sentiment,'' said Mansoor Mohi-Uddin, head of currency strategy in London at UBS AG. ``Analysts are a bit more cautious on the outlook for the second half of the year.'' <snip>

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=af_DLcKO1evo&refer=germany


Job market's only as rosy as the analyst
By SCOTT BARANCIK, Times Staff Writer
Published September 5, 2004

<snip> Florida's low unemployment rate is misleading. It excludes a growing pool of discouraged workers who have given up looking for a job - and therefore aren't counted as part of the state's labor force.

The percentage of unemployed who are out of work half a year or more is rising swiftly.
A growing proportion of workers who want a full-time job can find only part-time work.

To say that Florida is creating jobs faster than any of the 10 most populous states is faint praise. From July 2003 to July 2004, the nine other states created a total of only 339,300 new jobs. <snip>

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/09/05/Business/Job_market_s_only_as_.shtml


The missing million
Originally published September 6, 2004

LAST LABOR DAY, we took note of the jobless recovery. At that time, almost two years after the relatively short 2001 recession had been declared over, the American economy still was losing jobs. But this Labor Day, the problem of missing jobs has evolved into the problem of missing workers. <snip>

Trouble is, the U.S. economy right now still has a million fewer people working than at the start of the recession in March 2001. And millions of discouraged workers have been leaving the job market or have become mired in underemployment.

As a result, the labor force participation rate this summer fell to the lowest point in almost 13 years. Economists at the Economic Policy Institute, a labor-oriented think tank, figure that translates to more than two million missing workers.

These are workers so discouraged that they've given up looking for work, and thus they're not factored into the official unemployment rate calculation. If they were -- and there's a good argument for that -- the true unemployment rate would be more like 6.4 percent. <snip>

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-ed.econ06sep06,1,7750575.story?coll=bal-opinion-headlines


The Story of American Jobs
Director Greg Spotts takes on offshoring, warning that it may make the American dream "more of a myth than an accessible reality"

<snip>
Q: What kind of impact do you think outsourcing to other countries will have on the U.S. in the next 10 years?
A: If we stay on the same course we've been on since Reagan, we'll start to see a significant erosion of the middle class, a lot of people whose talents are underutilized or unutilized. What if, as India and China become more like the U.S., the U.S. becomes more like India and China? We might start seeing more and more people working for subsistence rather than to achieve the American dream of affluence. The American dream might become more of a myth than an accessible reality.

Q: What do you think of recent studies indicating that outsourcing is responsible for only a minute fraction of job loss? According to a June U.S. Labor Dept. report, less than 2% of job loss in the nonfarm private sector was due to outsourcing.
A: They're lies. Those studies are completely funded by tech companies. How can companies say there's a shortage of skilled labor in the U.S. and outsource work when the unemployment rate among tech workers here is growing to record highs? As for the Labor Dept., it's outmoded and not making a real effort to quantify outsourcing. There are no official figures on job loss due to white-collar tech outsourcing because it's not in their interest to keep track. <snip>

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2004/nf20040910_9020_db053.htm


BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT: WHY JOBS ARE A CAMPAIGN ISSUE
by CASH MICHAELS
The Wilmington Journal
Originally posted 9/9/2004

<snip> A new TIME magazine poll saw 62% of Americans believing the economy was “only fair” or “poor.” <snip>

According to a new report released this week by the NC Justice Center titled State of Working North Carolina 2004, “… both the quantity and quality of new North Carolina jobs have not equaled pre-recession levels.”

“From March 2001, when the recession began, to June 2004, North Carolina has experienced a net loss of 71,300 jobs,” the Justice Center says. “This has led to an increase in the number of workers who are long-term unemployed (over six months), who run out of unemployment benefits before getting a new job or who take part-time work when they need full-time.” <snip>

Of the new jobs that are being created in the state, “the lower job quality is a difficult problem” for many workers,” the report notes. The industries showing the most job growth “tend to pay less and are less likely to offer health insurance.” <snip>

http://wilmingtonjournal.blackpressusa.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=48071&sID=4
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