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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:25 PM
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Al Qaeda No. 2 Official Appears in New Tape


This is Breaking News.....

A Tape on Al-Jeezer TV claims that US forces are backed into a corner in Afghanistan by Muslim holy fighter.....this according to MSNBC
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:28 PM
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1. oh, heavens... if true, we could be looking at a massacre of US troops
Who knows what is true, but it does appear from media reports that "beat around the bush (no pun intended)" that we've gone full out trying desperately to gain Bush's* October surprise for him.... I hope our men and women in uniform don't pay the price for Bush*s desperation...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:41 PM
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3. He's just ranting.
Zawahiri isn't talking about some specific incident somewhere, he's just claiming that U.S. forces are 'on the run' in S. and E. Afghanistan. A lot more interesting than the content is the fact that Bin Laden isn't to be seen. I think we're getting closer to realizing that he's dead.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:44 PM
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4. Are you sure it was Zawahiri?
I haven't been able to find any links to this yet, so I don't know. Did they say it was Zawahiri who was on the tape? It seems like Al Queda's 'Number 2' gets redefined at will.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 03:06 PM
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10. They just like the phrase "Al Queda's Number 2"
It is subliminiminal.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:26 PM
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12. 2 points
I've seen a shot of the tape from al-J, and yeah it's him. Quite distinct looking, looks distinctly like that.

"al-Qa`idah #2" is sort of misleading, he's more like #1 but Sheikh Ussamah has more symbolic effect than the other's tactical..
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:33 PM
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13. That's how it has always seemed to me
Ironically, Bush and Osama seem to hold somewhat analogous positions in their respective organizations. Figureheads. 'Public faces'.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:56 PM
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17. Is a pattern developing that goes something like this, in order
to knock the front running issue from the front of the news? The hot news today is junior's TANG record, so does Karl Rove comes out with a terror color coded alert or a new al Qaeda tape or ......more fear rhetoric?

I wonder if anyone is keeping a record of all the antics the RW displays to knock the news from the front cover?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:22 PM
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6. Bin Laden doesn't appear on tape: possibly dead?
I hope so.... but perhaps we're about to see another tape closer to 9/11 or the election?
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:34 PM
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2. This is what happens when someone has never been to a war zone. n/t
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:02 PM
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5. Link To Unfolding Story
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:25 PM
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7. pic, yep it is him


from Northeast Intelligence Network www.homelandsecurityus.com

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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:48 PM
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8. Predictable.
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They_LIHOP Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:23 PM
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11. Indeed. In fact, it's ALMOST like Al-Q does bushco's bidding!
Ain't it strange: Just when the Chimpster desperately needs himself a distraction (from the Barnes interview, Globe Article, and Kelley Book), all of a sudden we get a missive from UBL's right-hand-man!

I wonder: has anyone here ever given any serious thought to the possibility that Al-Q is but a well-nurtured, covert puppet/monster, created in the cauldron of the Reagan/Bush-era Neocon's? The same Neocons who, as we all know, now make the decisions in the bush II administration?

Even if there's no connection, is it not eerie how this outfit Al-Q seems to nearly ALWAYS do exactly what the neocons would like to see happen?!?

Seriously. I know it sounds crazy (to non-DUer's, for sure!), but you have to think about the possible angles to understand the connections that I see here...

9/11 was neo-con/PNAC's lusted-for "New Pearl Harbor" that gave them the juice they needed to push Bushie, the Congress, and the Public, into signing on to their long-planned attack on Saddam's Iraq.

The Al-Q bombings in Turkey happened shortly after Turkey refused to allow the US to launch the Iraq War from their soil, much to the chagrin of the neo-cons. <Payback>

The Bali bombings, in which many Australians were killed, provided Mr. Howard the guise under which he could publically justify getting his nation involved in the Iraq conflict. This happened, in case anyone forgot, smack-dab in the middle of Australia's deliberations on whether or not to send troops to Iraq!

The bombings shortly before the Spanish election provided an opportunity to study the effects of a terra attack on a democratic election pitting a pro-war conservative incumbent against a anti-war lefty challenger (sound familiar?). It also provided the pretext to float a trial balloon on whether bushco had the 'power' to cancel elections in the event of a terra attack here in the States immediately prior to the election.

And, finally, as we've all noticed, messages from Al-Q seem to ALWAYS just HAPPEN to come out at times when bushco are in dire need of a 'story' (that the corporate media then can use) to direct the US public's attention AWAY from one of the MANY, MAJOR scandals that have wracked their criminal administration.

This doesn't even take into account the seemingly deliberate attempts by the Bushies to IGNORE the threat posed by Al-Q at all costs in the months between 1/2001 and 9/2001. Ignorance to the point where the Attorney General directly told his analysts that 'he didn't want to hear ONE MORE WORD about Al-Qaeda' even as the 'system was blinking red' over at the CIA, and two known terra-ists from the Kuala Lumpur 'summit' were running around the USA taking flying lessons.

All this as the lawyers at Justice were suddenly finding their 'civil liberties' side, refusing to even APPLY for a FISA warrant to search Moussaoui's computer on the grounds that they didn't want to 'profile' him! Nevermind that the French sent voluminous documentation that showed the guy was part of Al-Qaeda! The folks at Justice simply claimed that the info from the French intel agencies 'never arrived'. RIIIIIGHT.

This also ignores the numerous accounts by soldiers in Afghanistan describing how Bin Laden's crew were basically allowed to stroll out of Tora Bora unmolested. Despite 9/11, and the 'war' we were supposedly waging against them at the time! BTW, where IS Binnie-Boy and crew these days? On ice until one week before 11/02/04, by chance? We thought so...

Folks, it just gets more obvious to me everyday: The leadership of Al-Q answers to, and obliges, people/persons who seek to keep bush/cheney in power. People who also seek to keep the public AFRAID, and the military involved in an ENDLESS 'war on terra', to be fought in the part of the world where most of the known reserves of high-quality, cheap-to-produce oil are located.

When any crime is committed, as we all know, the investigators first ask: Cui Bono? Who benefits? As time has gone by, the answer to this fundamental question consistently points to the SAME BENEFICIARY: bushco, and the military/industrial/security complex of the United States.

When will the American public finally wake up to the handwriting on the proverbial wall? Al-Q is just a tool of the junta that stole our democracy in december of 2000 via judicial coup. Whether this means bush/cheney directly, or it means shadowy NWO groups 'above' them, is more difficult to know based on the evidence at hand, but the end-result is the same. Al-Q serves the aims of bushco. Period...

And they appear to be aimed at keeping it that way for four more years.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:39 PM
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14. Bingo!
When I first saw this on CNN, I thought the exact thing. Americans will think, "Thank God we have President Bush in office to fight these evil-doers."

My prediction: The day before the election, they take a few American hostages in Iraq and then distribute pictures.

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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 03:02 PM
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9. ODD RIGHT AFTER CHENEY'S REMARK

about not making the mistake of voting for the wrong person or we may have more attacks.

yup er.this came out mighty fast..........cheney must have called them guys in their cave.....

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:40 PM
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15. but of course! bad news for bush this week
whip out them terra'rists!! distract the masses!!

you know what? i for one, no longer trust my government. the boy has cried wolf too many times. AND, if there is a terrorist strike --i am wanton to believe that these bastards are behind it. they have politicized terra one too many times for their own benefit.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:48 PM
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16. Dear George: Why is this man still on the loose?
You've had 3 years and the most extensive and sophisticated intelligence and fighting capabilities known to mankind to get this dangerous man off the streets but here he is threatening us yet again. You're no terror fighter, Mr. Bush.
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