New TV Ad Hits Bush's Failure to Support Assault Weapons Ban in Congress

[Nambe]

U.S. Newswire

A new 30-second television spot produced for MoveOn PAC says President Bush will be responsible for the re-legalization in the U.S. of deadly assault weapons feared by police and favored by terrorists. The ban on these weapons ends next week.

Such weapons as the AK-47 military assault rifle will be eligible for sale and use in the U.S., able to fire about 600 rounds per minute with a range of 300 meters, once the ban on assault weapons passed by Congress and supported by four previous Presidents - Ford, Carter, Reagan and Clinton, but not George W. Bush - expires on Sept. 13.

The new ad notes that "John Kerry, a sportsman and a hunter, would keep them illegal" while "George Bush will let the Assault Weapon Ban expire."

"By claiming he supports extending the ban while allowing his Republican congressional allies to let it die without his protest, the President is cynically trying to deceive Americans who support the existing law - 77 percent of them, according to consistent poll findings. It is a dangerous and dishonest act on Bush's part, and we believe it will hurt him politically," said Eli Pariser, national director of MoveOn PAC. ..

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[MrBenchley]

1. Right on the money...and it cuts to the heart

of this idiot's claim to be "protecting America"....

[FeebMaster]

2. hahahah

Such weapons as the AK-47 military assault rifle will be eligible for sale and use in the U.S., able to fire about 600 rounds per minute

The really sad thing about that is someone got paid to write it.

[jack99]

68. Damn

thats as fast as a M60 machine gun (550 rounds per minute). That guy has a fast finger and is crazy if he expects anyone to believe that, because it is a complete lie.

Also the AK47 has always been available, but heavily restricted because its a machine gun.
Jack

[wurzel]

3. You'd think the ban would be part of "Homeland Security".

[FeebMaster]

5. How so? (nt)

[MrBenchley]

8. Yup...but like everything else about this drunk and his gang....

"homeland security" is all hat and no cattle....

[Overseas]

73. Amen !

Love the clarity of your statement. I like the reminder of its origin, Kerry stepping out from decorum to jab at the Dimestore Cowboy... Hope it is used often. "Like everything else about George and his Neocon Gang, XYZ is all hat and no cattle..." I hope we continue to pierce through the Cardboard Cowboy image he swaggers around with.

[One_Life_To_Give]

4. What a Finger

able to fire about 600 rounds per minute

I never met a person that could pull a trigger 600 times a minute before. this person must be gifted.

The thought behind the ban may be in the right place. But the legislation was a piece of junk.

[MrBenchley]

6. Wow...good thing those guns can't be converted

to that rate of fire pretty easily...oh, wait, that's exactly why nutcases and criminals want them...

I know which finger I give to the sort of person pimping for assault weapons....

[FeebMaster]

9. Post that link to the book

from 1981 that explains how to convert AR-15s to full auto again. You know, the book published when it was legal to do and before they modified AR-15 receivers to make them harder to convert.

[One_Life_To_Give]

17. Then ban the modifiable receiver action

My biggest issue with the is it bans items based on cosmetic features. That have nothing to do with how the weapon operates.
The whole issue should be sent to a group of experts, like we do with electic codes etc, to determine how to implement responsible features. Then maybe we can ban the Chinese AK47's that new out of the box occasionally give full auto fire that they are not supposed to be able to do. While still allowing high quality AK47's that can't be modified to Full Auto/Select fire without extensive access to specialty machined parts.

[MrBenchley]

22. I'm quite happy with the bill before Congress.....

Clearly, MoveOn is too....

[One_Life_To_Give]

28. Happy I can buy a easily modified weapon that

Happy I can buy a easily modified weapon that looks like a daisy?

There is nothing in the ban that prohibits a Semi auto gas cyclic weapon of less than 1mS reload. Provided I don't put a bayonet lug on it or make it look like one of those nasty "Assault Weapons"

[TrogL]

7. I take it you've never heard of an automatic rifle?

[FeebMaster]

10. Sure

but what does that have to do with the assault weapons ban?

[One_Life_To_Give]

11. AWB Doesn't apply to Automatic Rifles

Automatic Weapons were restricted by seperate legislation back in the 30's. And it appropriatly classifies the weapons by their type of action. Not on the cosmetic appearance and brand naming used by the AWB.

[slackmaster]

45. Let me take a whack at this one too

The assault weapons ban covers only semiautomatics. Anything that firea more thaon one round per trigger pull is legally a "machinegun" and covered by different laws.

Here's a link to the part of the United States Code that contains the actual legal definitions of "assault weapon" and "machinegun". It's not difficult reading; you'll see that the terms are mutually exclusive.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html

Expiration of the AW ban will NOT make it any easier to buy a machinegun. Machineguns have been heavily regulated since 1934. That's not going to change.

:toast:

[GregW]

15. Maybe they're 'bump-firing' 600 rpm

Damn ... my finger would be sore and the barrel smoking on my CX4 if I could pull that off!

[FeebMaster]

16. Anyone who can pull a trigger 600 times in minute

deserves to be personally exempt from any future assault weapons ban.

[absolutezero]

23. its an automatic rifle

you don't pull the trigger 600 times, you hold it for one minute and the gun fires 600 rounds (assuming unlimited clip capacity)

if the ak 47 has a 50 round clip (im not sure, someone wanna check that?) you can fire the entire clip in 0.0833 minutes (about 5 seconds)

[FeebMaster]

27. Sorry, you're wrong.

The assault weapons ban has nothing to do with machine guns. All of the weapons affected by the ban are semi-automatic and therefor fire one shot for each pull of the trigger.

Machine guns as you've described have been heavily regulated since 1934.

[MrBenchley]

31. And if it couldn't be converted to automatic

nobody would want one...but the RKBA contingent here wants to pretend that's not true for some bizarre reason...

[FeebMaster]

32. Yes tell us again how they're easily convertible

even though you've been shown a dozen times or more that that claim is wrong.

[Kierkegaard]

41. Really?

http://www.ftfindustries.com/new_page_1.htm

[slackmaster]

46. Same procedures apply to firearms not covered by the AW ban

A pre-ban Uzi or whatever is no easier to illegally convert to fully automatic than is a post-ban Uzi or whatever.

[shadu]

48. But 'those books are intended for academic purposes only!'

Absolutely crazy.

[NickB79]

51. Notice that those books were all written before 1982

In 1982 they required manufacturers to redesign their firearms so that it would require a great deal more machining to convert to full-auto than what the book says. You can't use these books to convert a new AR-15 or semi-auto AK-47 clone that you would buy from a store today, as the trigger assembly has been changed.

[DavidMS]

56. You still need BATFe approval

Doesn't change a thing whatsoever. Get the forms filled out, get fingerprinted, get the CLEO sign off and pay 200 dollars. Of couce it doesn't matter because there are no new civilian transferable machineguns since 1986. And the process is the same for buying a civilian transerable machinegun.

[pinniped]

42. Lightning Link seems to do the job fairly easy.

Are you two discussing whether or not certain rifles are easy to convert to full-auto?

[Kierkegaard]

43. More or less

"Yes tell us again how they're easily convertible"

OK, again, they are easily convertible.

[slackmaster]

47. Lightning Links work just as well in post-ban ARs as they do in pre-bans

There is no functional difference between an AR-15 that is covered by the AW ban and one that is not covered. The ban is not protecting us from illegal machinegun conversions, which BTW are very rare events.

[AlphaWolf]

58. It's simply impossible

In theory I suppose somebody could rig a massive sized drum clip to hold 600 rounds, but the barrel would overheat long long long LONG before reaching that number.

If the barrel overheats, it eventually loses its form and bad things happen. The kinetic energy of the round against the metal in a deformed barrel will certainly cause it to explode - almost as badly as a grenade would explode - either killing or severely injuring whoever is holding the firearm.

[Cicero]

37. I'd like to see a 600-round magazine

:crazy:

Hey! MoveOn PAC! Here's my finger! :mad: :puke:

Later,

[FeebMaster]

38. You'll have to use a belt-fed.

;)

[AlphaWolf]

59. Impossible

That would require a chain loading mechanism in the stock, which would make the firearm itself much bigger (you'd be better off dragging around an m240b.)

[FeebMaster]

64. It's not impossible.

There are semi-auto belt-feds available. There are even at least a couple of belt-fed uppers for the AR-15.

[AlphaWolf]

65. Show me

Got any links showing this kind of equipment?

[FeebMaster]

66. Sure

http://www.brpguns.com/

http://www.aresdefense.com/

http://www.1919a4.com/

[beevul]

12. Jeez...

I guess some folks really don't want Mr. Kerry to win after all. Keep beating that "gun-drum". I am sure the repukes love it. It hurts ONLY Democrats.

Some folks don't seem to learn from recent history. (1994,1995,1996, for those that have forgotten)

[MrBenchley]

19. Funny....who's pimping for Bill Frist on this issue?

"Keep beating that "gun-drum". I am sure the repukes love it."
Funny....is that why the GOP is passing the buck? You'd think one of these fuckwits would stand up and say bravely they think Americans ought to have assault weapons in their sweaty shaky hands, instead of hiding behind this procedural shit.

[NeoConsSuck]

83. I'm an anti-gun advocate..

however, there was a point made on a CNN show about the assault rifle ban vis a vis Kerry. They said it bad for Kerry. Their logic? It is not that big of an issue to put a non-gun owner into Kerry's corner. But it is a big enough issue for an NRA member for them to stay in the Bush camp.

[Leilani]

13. Gee, What a Winner...

NOT!

[derby378]

14. It's very simple

Randi Rhodes to Ralph Nader on 3/31: "We can't afford you!"

Me to the soon-to-sunset AWB: "We can't afford you, either!"

Trying to renew the AWB will hurt Kerry and the Democrats. Scrap it and let it die.

[comradebillyboy]

18. waste of money on a loser issue

who cares?

i just ordered my new post ban ar-15

i'll still vote dem, but if the party goes back to its anti gun mode, i'll rejoin the nra.

[MrBenchley]

21. You're welcome to them....

after all, they're such a charming, enlightened bunch, who wouldn't want to associate himself with the NRA? (snicker)

[wuushew]

24. That money would be better spent on a political donation to Kerry

n/t

[DoNotRefill]

20. Well, that'll help Kerry...

Let's piss off 25% of the population (and a much larger percentage of likely voters) by BLATANTLY lying to them about an issue that they KNOW we're lying to them about...

Ted Rall is 100% dead on on this issue...

[MrBenchley]

25. Piss on that 25%...they were voting GOP anyway....

75%-80% of the country wants these guns off the market, and for good reason.

"BLATANTLY lying to them about an issue that they KNOW we're lying to them"
THERE's a fucking laugh...the entire RKBA issue is built on blatant lies, and not a single gun loony does anything but chant those lies enthusiastically.

[DoNotRefill]

33. yeah, right...

we all know that there are no pro-gun blue collar union folks out there that SHOULD be in our camp, if it weren't for this issue...

[MrBenchley]

39. Yeah, refill...we do know that the NRA is anti-union

Just look at all those pro-union posts out there on gun owner forums...oh wait, there's nothing but right wing horseshit there.

[DavidMS]

57. You can still tell the NRA to...

"go Cheney it self" and be progun!

[GinsNet]

26. We need to be more realistic

We lost the congress due to this "Feel Good Law" That does nothing accept keep bayonette lugs off weapons, prevents flash hiders & folding stocks, high capacity mags. In which you can still buy those same weapons and accessories

This does nothing....


Also the ABC AWB story was showing mostly Full auto weapons which is under a different law from what I understand 1934 law or something like that. Assault weapons are semi-auto only, so really this feel good law all it did was kill any chance we had the election after the AWB was put into law.

We have got to get are heads out of the sand folks and those who just want to piss and moan kick them out of the party. We need winners not losers in order to get the Congress back in our hands!

[MrBenchley]

30. Too too funny....

"We lost the congress due to this "Feel Good Law" "
The GOP's Contract in America said what about guns? (Nothing)

"This does nothing...."
Gee, then it won't bother anyone to renew it, will it?

"the ABC AWB story was showing mostly Full auto weapons"
Which had been converted from assault weapons of the sort that were banned...you know, the ones the gun lobby and the GOP want to put back on the market.

[Zynx]

29. Let's see someone actually fire 600 RPM from a semi-auto AK.

I'll pay $$$ if it can be done.

[Truth is True]

34. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!

Jumpin' Jeebus, this is NOT GOOD. The AWB is a loser issue, and they just hung it around Kerry's neck. The NRA is going to have a turkey shoot with this!

:grr:

[MrBenchley]

40. Are you pretending the NRA wasn't attacking Kerry up until now?

Geeze, guess you haven't been paying attention to what those lying fuckwits say...

[jack99]

69. But why

give them more ammo to use against Senator Kerry?
Jack

[MrBenchley]

71. Gee, jack, they were going to be ugly fuckwits anyway...

so why not styand up for principle...especially since it's a principle all but the lunatic fringe embrace anyway?

[Radius]

35. Lie

The AK is banned under the '30's machine gun act.
benchley's 1431 would outlaw the 11-87 shotgun.
Great idea, lets ban one of the most popular sporting guns in the country.

Section SEC. 2; (H) (ii) and (b)(42): "The term 'pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."

Like the one behind the trigger on the 11-87.

[Truth is True]

36. Not to mention that

every recent poll, including the ones here on DU, show that the vast majority want to see the AWB expire.

I just can't believe they're running this ad. Kerry must be FURIOUS.

[slackmaster]

44. MoveOn has lost its way on this one

In order to claim that expiration of the AW ban will make AK-47 type rifles available once again, you have to PRETEND that the ban actually took them off the market and PRETEND that it made them illegal.

It didn't do either. Every existing "assault weapon" was grandfathered, so pre-'94 ones can be bought and sold. More importantly, gun makers and importers made a few minor changes to their designs and kept selling the same weapons starting the day the "ban" took effect. In fact the ban had the unintended effects of increasing interest in firearms and spurring innovations that have resuted in far more makes and models of semiautomatic firearms being available today than were available before the ban took effect.

The AW ban is dying as it was designed to do. The sky isn't going to fall on Monday. Let it go.

:eyes:

[GizDog]

60. Where?

On Monday I want to know where I can get my machine gun?

[slackmaster]

61. Exactly the same places you can get them today

See:

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIF1.html

Expiration of the AW ban will have no effect on the procedures or requirements for buying a machinegun.

:D

[TheDonkey]

49. Should be framed: "Bush lacks the leadership to renew the ban"

wants to put guns into the hands of terrorists.
Show Osama with the machine gun behind him, then cut to bush.

Slash and burn the idiot to the ground. This is a slam dunk issue only a few members in the KKK wing of the thug party wants.

[MrBenchley]

50. Exactly...

The people creaming their jeans over getting their sweaty shaky hands on assault weapons were never going to vote Democratic in a million years...

Want proof? Go to any gun loony forum like thehighroad.org and look at their political comments.

[NickB79]

52. Um, I'm pretty excited about the AWB dying

And I'm gonna vote for Kerry. Just as DoNotRefill, Slackmaster, IndianaGreen, and a whole list of other people here on DU who are pro-gun yet Democrat. In the coming months, I plan to pick up a bunch of new 25, 30, or 50-rd magazines for my rifle, AND vote for Kerry.

Looking at gun message boards is only a small spectrum of the hunting and shooting population. Trying to use those few individuals as an example is laughable.

[Romulus]

53. thanks, Nick (n/t)

[slackmaster]

62. Well said Nick!

I'd join you in buying more magazines but California doesn't allow anything over 10 rounds. I'm stuck with what I already owned on 1/1/2000 (which is plenty BTW).

:toast:

[MrBenchley]

63. That IS funny...

"Looking at gun message boards is only a small spectrum of the hunting and shooting population"
Funny that spectrum doesn't include anything but raving right wing loonies then, isn't it? Usually you'd think a spectrum would have some sort of broad range of opinion...but all they ever have on those forums is freeper-type gibberish.

And it's way noticeable that none of these brave "pro-gun democrats" ever seem moved to say a single word out loud that is pro-Democrat there...

[DoNotRefill]

67. Maybe we don't hang out on freeperish boards because...

we don't like the typical mindless freeperish attacks. Although with the abusive conduct of some here, I'm starting to think maybe it wouldn't be that different out there than it is here.

That's beyond pathetic.

[MrBenchley]

70. Gee, refill, those are not supposed to be freeperish boards

but gun owner forums...it just works out that way. And there's never a word of complaint about them being freeperish from our "pro gun democrats"...only a bunch of bitching whenever it's pointed out that they are here.

"Although with the abusive conduct of some here"
You mean like the folks trying to pretend that MoveOn isn't liberal, but Bill Frist is?

[DoNotRefill]

72. Ah, another distortion...

who here has said that Bill Frist is Liberal? And all of the posts I've read about MoveOn basically said that they were misguided in this one instance, not that they weren't liberal.

I think you're wrong on this issue, Bench. That doesn't mean I think you're not a Liberal. We probably agree on a lot of other stuff. I understand why you refuse to accept that people on the same side can differ on an issue, that's a trait commonly seen in the small-minded troll (not that I think you're a small-minded troll, of course). But I think your abusive conduct goes beyond the pale, to the point of being destructive to the forum, party and candidate. But hey, you're free to tell a hundred million potential voters that they're all automatically asswipes because they own a gun. Since you think I'm a right-winger, why should I care, eh?

I DO care. And it saddens me to see people like you continue to slam the Democratic Party's proverbial nuts in the proverbial car door over and over and over and over and over again.

[MrBenchley]

74. The only distortion has been on the RKBA side....

"I think your abusive conduct goes beyond the pale"
Gee, ask me sometime what I think about people who attack prominent Democrats and pimp openly for Republican legislative priorities.

And if you want to pretend a hundred million people want assault weapons in their hands, go ahead. It's commensurate with the honesty and dignity the trigger-happy here demonstrate every day.

[DoNotRefill]

77. Please quote where I've attacked Kerry.

I've said that I wish Kerry didn't push gun control, because it's going to hurt him.

I guess by your definition of attack, when I was a child and started chewing on the lamp cord, and my mom said "Don't do that, you'll hurt yourself!" she was attacking me...

[MrBenchley]

81. And I didn't single you out, refill....

But if you want to lump yourself in with those I describe, I'm not going to stop you.

Are you going to pretend there haven't been attacks on Democrats by the trigger happy?

[DoNotRefill]

91. No, you didn't single me out....

instead, you attack ALL pro-gun democrats. You apparently think that there's no such beast, and frankly, when you lump everybody together who believes in personal ownership of firearms as being "trigger happy", or automatically right-wing nutjobs, or "pimp for Tom Delay or Bill Frist" or whatever euphamism of the moment you've converted into the latest "Benchleyism", you hurt the Party. There are a LOT of pro-gun Democrats. Even Skinner recognizes this, to the point that it's addressed in the rules/FAQ. Gun control is NOT a Democrat versus Republican issue. And your rhetoric does a HUGE disservice to ALL progressives in the eyes of anybody who reads your posts.

[MrBenchley]

75. And it's noticeable you STILL dodged the point

which is that those boards are not claiming to be aless honest and more hysterical version of the Free Republic...but they just work out that way. If that don't bother you, then don't cry to me when I point it out here.

[DoNotRefill]

76. Bench, you don't see me posting on FR...

and you don't see me posting on gun boards either. Are you saying I'm not pro-gun?

[MrBenchley]

80. Gee, refill, if you don't post on gun boards....

Don't bitch about the dittohead gibberish that's posted there....

But it's noticeable that all of the pro-gun democrats in existence must be sitting around with their thumbs up their butt....because the opinion on those boards ranges all the way from bigoted, stupid and dishonest to dishonest, stupid and bigoted.

[DoNotRefill]

92. No, you're just more likely to find pro-gun democrats....

posting on democratic boards, rather than boards filled with the right wing loonies.

You want me to say you can find some stupid, dishonest, and bigoted posts on some gun boards? Sure. You can. In large quantities. There's no doubt about that, and it's one of the reasons I don't frequent that kind of board. But you'll also find the odd post here on this board that will also qualify. Stupidity, bigotry, and dishonesty aren't the sole domain of the opposition. We've got our share of people that fit that bill here and in the party. Case in point: Zell. That doesn't mean ALL people on any one side of an issue are stupid, dishonest, or bigoted.

[Guaranteed]

54. NOT helpful.

Detrimental, actually.

[DoNotRefill]

55. Pantload. Pimp for Bill Frist and Tom Delay. Pro-gun "democrat".

Sorry, just thought I'd get it out of the way.


;)

[shane7726]

79. As a pro-gun Democrat

I have always been opposed to the "Assault Weapon Ban". I believe it has had absolutely no affect on crime in the last 10 years. That is the whole reason that a sunset clause was written into the law. IF it was shown to be useless, then rights could be restored to gun-owners. The arguments made this week for extending the ban just showed that there are many people that pushed for the ban just for the sake of having the ban

[Desron]

82. A bad ad by MoveOn

Dems with guns not only like shooting but they vote and lots of them will vote Republican if they feel there is any threat to their guns. My Congressman, Bart Stupack (D), voted against the AWB back in '94 and is on record as opposing any extension of the ban.

[alfredo]

78. Let the repugs know that we are

[MrBenchley]

84. Hot-cha-cha-cha...truly inspiring how many trigger happy chums

are willing to shoot their fellow Americans at the drop of a hat, isn't it? (snicker)

Too bad they're utterly unwilling to do anything less drastic...like a post a single pro-Democratic word on any gun loony forum like highroad.org or the like.

[alfredo]

86. I think Michael Moore covered

that subject.

We are a violent society.

[MrBenchley]

87. Gee, al, I'm so glad you think violence is an answer...

Excuse the fuck out of me if I don't find that particularly helpful, liberal, or intelligent...

[alfredo]

99. No, not really.

It is not saying we should use violence but that we will also have access to the same weapons they covet. They should also be made aware that "brown skinned" people will also have access to assault weapons.

The gun nuts I know never think that because they own guns they are invincible. They never consider that those they fear could be armed to the gills too.

Maybe, just maybe they will think that free access to assault weapons may not be the best idea.

[MrBenchley]

85. The ad hits right at Chimpy's claim to "keep America safe"

"Dianne Feinstein last night on Newshour:

Now, let me tell you what I think is going to happen: There is a shipment of AK-47s that was picked up in Italy by customs that was on its way from a port in Romania of 8,000 AK-47s due to go into the port of New York into a gun store in Georgia. It was a $7 million shipment. You can multiply that tenfold. And you will see these weapons begin to spring up all over and the big clips which add the firepower and the ability to kill substantial numbers of people before you can get to the gunner to disarm him.

Does America really want these kinds of weapons coming into our unsecured ports?

http://haloscan.com/tb/atrios/109486393324861530

[Desron]

88. Dozens of Democrats....

An excerpt from a Washington Post article.

"After leading the charge for the original ban in 1994, many Democrats have distanced themselves from the cause in recent years. The reason: Democrats lost the House that year as many members from rural areas, including then-Speaker Thomas S. Foley (D-Wash.), were tossed from office, in part, by angry gun owners. In this year's Democratic primaries, the candidates fell largely silent on gun control. Dozens of congressional Democrats oppose the ban today."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12825-2004Sep10.html

[MrBenchley]

89. Dozens?

Hahahahahaha.....

Wonder how many Republicans are willing to step up and say "Yeah, let's put assault weapons back in gun stores where any fuckwit can get their hands on them."?

I'd bet damn few.

[shane7726]

90. Owning an "Assault Weapon" does not make you violent

I own two rifles that some would consider an "assault weapon." I have NEVER been in a fight, I was never in the military, and I have never used any of my guns illegally. But somehow, owning guns makes me violent? In what way?

I am so sick and tired of hearing about how assault weapons are only good for killing many people quickly and serve no sporting purpose. I have owned mine for over 15 years. I have NEVER nor do I ever plan on killing anyone and I have used them for "sporting purposes" ever since I bought them. Those who say only criminals are drawn to these types of guns are lumping me in with them and I am tired of it.

Informed people who decide on this issue based on facts and not emotions will let this ban die quietly

[jack99]

93. Well its been

Happening for the last 10 years and no-one complained. Last I heard the streets are not flowing in blood or in so called Assault weapons.

Actually the AKs in question will be cut as per ATF regs and be rebuilt into AW ban compliant rifles.

They have been doing this for 10yrs now and all they do is remove the bayonet lug and folding stock (if the rifle has one). They are completely legal as long as the have the correct number of US parts installed (5 if im not mistaken).

They build them into WASR10s which retail for $300 as in the pic below (not mine).

Jack

[Desron]

95. WASR 10

Did a google search and quickly found a place where one can puchase such a weapon for $279.95 and it comes with a 30 round magazine. I'm assuming the mag is pre-ban.

http://www.sarcoinc.com/guns21.html

A couple of years ago I purchased a Soviet M1944 carbine via the internet from a gun shop located in Maryland ( I live in Michigan). But before the gun shop would send the carbine, I had to have a local gun dealer send a copy of his FFL to the place. Once they recieved it, the gun shop sent the carbine to the local gun dealer who charged me $25.00 for his time and effort. I believe one would have to go thru the same procedures if one ordered a WASR 10 from the place above.

[MrBenchley]

98. Better listen closer....

We get 115,000 Americans shot every year now.....How many more have to get shot to suit the trigger happy?

[struggle4progress]

94. Law Enforcement Supports the Ban: We Should Too

MAYORS AND POLICE CHIEFS UNITE ACROSS COUNTRY
TO DEMAND RENEWAL OF ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN
For Immediate Release:
04-27-2004

<snip>
Law enforcement organizations that support the ban include:

International Association of Chiefs of Police - (IACP)
Major Cities Chiefs Association - (MCCA)
Police Foundation
Police Executive Research Forum - (PERF)
International Brotherhood of Police Officers - (IBPO)
National Association of School Resource Officers (NASRO)
National Fraternal Order of Police - (FOP)
National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives - (NOBLE)
Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association - (HAPCOA)
National Black Police Association - (NBPA)
<snip>

http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/release.php?release=557

[Desron]

96. support for ban

My Congressman, Bart Stupack (D), is a former Michigan State Police officer and he is on record as opposing an extension of the ban. He also voted against it back in '94.

[shane7726]

97. So what if Law Enforcement supports the ban

It is a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

What if Law Enforcement decided to support a ban on free speech? Or the right to protest outside conventions?

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100. " ... there is no definitive resolution by the courts of just what ...

.. right the Second Amendment protects ... The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, are an ''individual rights'' thesis whereby individuals are protected in ownership, possession, and transportation, and a ''states' rights'' thesis whereby it is said the purpose of the clause is to protect the States in their authority to maintain formal, organized militia units ... In United States v. Miller, the Court sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed-off shotguns ... Since this decision, Congress has placed greater limitations on the receipt, possession, and transportation of firearms, and proposals for national registration or prohibition of firearms altogether have been made. At what point regulation or prohibition of what classes of firearms would conflict with the Amendment, if at all, the Miller case does little more than cast a faint degree of illumination toward an answer ..."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/


The reason for caring what law enforcement thinks about assault weapons is very easy to understand: police officers and sheriffs risk life and limb when confronting these weapons. Common decency suggests that their concerns should be thoughfully considered.