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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:05 PM
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Ivan back to 150 MPH, still heading for Kingston
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 07:06 PM by Zynx
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/081753.shtml?

>>
IVAN IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 11 MPH...18 KM/HR...
AND THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE WITH A GRADUAL DECREASE IN
FORWARD SPEED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED TO
BRING THE CORE OF IVAN TO NEAR OR OVER JAMAICA TONIGHT OR EARLY
SATURDAY AND OVER THE CAYMAN ISLANDS LATE SATURDAY.

REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE
THAT MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 150 MPH...240
KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. THIS MAKES IVAN AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS
CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE.
STRONGER WINDS...ESPECIALLY IN GUSTS...ARE LIKELY OVER ELEVATED
TERRAIN. SOME FLUCTUATIONS IN INTENSITY ARE LIKELY DURING THE NEXT
24 HOURS...AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IVAN COULD REGAIN CATEGORY 5
STATUS AS IT PASSES JAMAICA.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 60 MILES... 95 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 175 MILES...280 KM.

THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY A HURRICANE HUNTER
PLANE WAS 926 MB...27.34 INCHES.
<<

Pressure plunges.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:08 PM
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1. Oh no.
I hope those people who were "riding it out" in their homes have moved to higher ground into substantial shelters. I don't understand them. They can see the pictures of it and they still think it may "veer away from them?" I heard multiple broadcasts from Jamaica saying the residents were being way too casual about this monster.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:59 PM
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8. They are in the desparate situation caught
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 09:16 PM by JoFerret
between competing fears: The dreadful storm and the loss of the very few material possessions that may be looted in their absence. So - for the sake of a cooking stove, a TV and a bed they must risk their lives - for without those things they are reduced to nothing.

The natural disasters always have a disproportionate effect the poor. And most of Jamaica is poor, very poor.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:23 PM
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13. they are afraid of the looters
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 09:24 PM by seekthetruth
when you have little, you fight to keep it. this happened in grenada too, the machete-carrying bands of thieves. have you ever seen the result of a machete chop? it's not pretty.

jah will handle them;-)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:17 PM
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2. I am not making fun of this topic. I am mocking the media.
put the disclaimer up front.

Did anyone else hear the news anchor on CNN report that Hurricane Ivan was barrelling down on Jamaica at 140 mph? Duh!! My former english teacher would have a FIT!

There are no more journalists on CNN. And, apparently, no news editors, either.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:29 PM
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3. MSM is hopeless.
I'm not sure what they are worse at, disaster whoring, or trying to cover a war.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:17 PM
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11. Seems to me that your English teacher
should have focussed on more important things.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:46 PM
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18. It's basic sentence construction.
The hurricane was not travelling at 140 mph. The wind speeds reached 140 mph. (now, apparently, 150).

(and to be polite, I'll ignore the typo in your post. I'm certain it was not intentional.)

If the hurricane was travelling at 145 mph, it should be in Tennessee by now..or maybe Alaska. I dunno.

The point of my previous post was simply to point out that the talking heads on the cable networks are not journalists.:shrug:
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TheWesson Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:32 PM
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4. Blame Bush ... !

Global warming is due to make hurricanes worse ...

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

Yes, now you CAN blame the President for the weather.

the wesson
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shadu Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:33 PM
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6. the serpents in the wishing well
all horrible things are possible
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:58 PM
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5. Poor people
and what a beautiful country. I have never seen a more beautiful waterfall then when I was in Jamaica.

Another Sept 11 and more people will mourn.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:40 PM
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7. Good catch. I had not connected with the 9/11 date.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 08:42 PM by DemoTex
Godspeed Jamaica. Good luck, mon.

BTW: I will be monitoring ham radio HF for early news after the storm passes Jamaica. If I hear any interesting traffic, I'll pass it on.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:07 PM
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9. Another 9/11 hurricane strike: 'Iniki, 9/11/1992 on Kaua'i
When the 9/11 came along, many of us (especially on Kaua'i) remarked on the coincidence (?)

Of note: 'Iniki was barreling straight toward far more populous O'ahu until it "pulled a Charley" and jogged slightly to the west at the last minute. There is no telling what would have become of the entire state if the Cat 4 storm had struck at its commercial and industrial center. :scared:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:21 PM
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12. And only two people died in Iniki!
Where were you KamaAina during Iniki? I was in Koloa Town at my son's house where we road out the hurricane.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:35 PM
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16. Would you believe New Haven, Conn.?
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 09:38 PM by KamaAina
Despite the username I have only been on the 'aina since late 2000. I took the name mainly because back in 2001, the only other major Hawai'i poster was Opihi.

May Jamaica (then Cuba, Caymans, etc.) be so lucky as to have but two deaths...

Edit: I had moved up to New Haven from Stratford by September of that year (not that it matters).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:29 PM
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22. Cool! You're on Hawaaian soil and I'm
Not! I'm going back in two years..only to the Big Island this time(which I've never set foot on before).

I've had it with upper New York winters..too much overkill!

Do you love it there?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:35 PM
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24. I visited Kaui a few months after Iniki
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 10:36 PM by proud patriot
I got to see all the devastation . :-(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:39 PM
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25. It was a surreal nightmare...
May I ask why you came to the Island after the hurricane?

Was it to work on rebuilding?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:30 PM
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15. here's a radio link
http://www3.e-gleaner.com/20040910/audio/

it works better with winamp.

a webcam link:

http://www.camerawebpage.com/cocolapalm/111336381?s=320

it's in negril and could be down now, i can't connect.

and the satellite photo link:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-vis-loop.html

the latest shots show it veering somewhat to the left to make landfall at lover's leap in st. elizabeth parish....and negril :-(
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:41 PM
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17. Here are freqs for SWLers and hams:
Northern Florida Phone Net sessions starting September 10 at 1630 UTC on 7242 (75-meters) and 1900 UTC on 3950 kHz (40-meters) in addition to the net's regular 2330 UTC session.

The Hurricane Watch Net (HWN) on 14.325 MHz (20-meters) is into its second day of activation for Hurricane Ivan. The net took a short breather before reactivating September 9.

Reports from maritime mobiles, primarily in Grenada, indicated severe damage there. WinLink-equipped stations are reported to be operating out of stricken areas in Grenada. The Waterway Radio and Cruising Club network on 7.268 MHz and the Maritime Mobile Service Net on 14.300 MHz have become centers of activity for hurricane relief and recovery information for that region.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:22 PM
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20. More info from ARRL
HURRICANE WATCH NET FACING STORMS' CHALLENGES

With hurricanes threatening almost at the rate of one per week since
mid-August, the Hurricane Watch Net (HWN) has had a busy time of things.
Following a brief respite after seven straight days in operation, the HWN
reactivated on 14.325 MHz at week's end for Hurricane Ivan--a powerful and
dangerous storm that attained Category 5 level this week before throttling
back to a Category 4 storm. After wreaking havoc in the Windward Islands,
Grenada, Trinidad and the northern coast of Venezuela, Ivan was expected
to hit Jamaica by early September 11--if not sooner. Reports to the net
from maritime mobiles, primarily in Grenada, indicated severe damage from
Ivan, which was packing 145 MPH winds as it approached Jamaica.

"We will be listening for reporting stations in Jamaica before turning our
attention to Cuba, which is next in the path," HWN Manager Mike Pilgrim,
K5MP, said. He said he anticipates the HWN will remain active during
20-meter band openings until Ivan no longer represents a threat to
populated areas.

If Ivan continues on its current track as of week's end, it will be in the
Straits of Florida by September 13, according to National Hurricane Center
projections. Pilgrim, who lives in Boca Raton in southern Florida, said
the storm appears to be a threat to the entire state. Authorities already
have issued a mandatory evacuation order for tourists and mobile home
dwellers in the Keys, he said, but given the chancy logistics of
evacuating, Pilgrim is planning to hunker down for the storm, should it
arrive.

Pilgrim says he just got electricity back September 6--he has an auxiliary
generator for his household and a deep-cycle battery for his ham gear--but
he didn't have telephone service, including cellular, until September 8.
He says half of his community remains in the dark.

The HWN works hand-in-hand with WX4NHC at the National Hurricane Center in
Miami to gather ground-level weather data and damage reports from Amateur
Radio volunteers in a storm's path. The net relays these to forecasters
via WX4NHC, which regularly checks into the net and also disseminates
weather updates.

The recent hurricane activations also have generated an unprecedented
level of activity on the HWN Web site, Pilgrim said. As a result, the HWN
has issued a plea for contributions to purchase additional Web capacity
<http://www.hwn.org/home/hwn-newsletter.html#help>. The Hurricane Watch
Net Web site <http://www.hwn.org> offers access to the latest weather
forecasts as well as storm graphics.

The Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network (SATERN) on 14.265 MHz
closed down at September 7 at 2100 UTC following five straight days of
operation in response to Hurricane Frances. During that time, the net
handled 181 health-and-welfare inquiries.

"I continue to marvel at the stellar effort that amateur operators give
across the nation when catastrophe strikes," said SATERN National
Coordinator Pat McPherson, WW9E. Some SATERN volunteer operators put in
14-hour days to guarantee that people were helped, he said. As of week's
end, SATERN was standing by to assist if needed in response to Hurricane
Ivan

Note: These are LISTEN ONLY freqs.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:04 PM
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27. damnit, my 75A4 just died. I think it's a bad 12AV7 tube...can't seem to
find another one..gotta check the boxes in the attic. Going up there now...
:eyes:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:11 PM
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28. Damna, call Svetlana!


Collins 75A4 Receiver
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shawmut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:15 PM
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10. Here is the most recent satellite picture




:o
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:27 PM
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14. That's a picture of a cold-hearted killer.
Ironically, Jamaica looks like it has a mouth about to devour the eye of Ivan. If only it were true.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:53 PM
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19. 11pm numbers
"Repeating the 11 PM EDT position...17.5 N... 76.9 W. Movement
toward...west-northwest near 10 mph. Maximum sustained
winds...155 mph. Minimum central pressure... 920 mb. "

:(
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:27 PM
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21. OMG... back to a Cat 5!
Jamaica will be flattened. My thoughts are with the Jamaican people tonight.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:32 PM
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23. I would like to imagine that such things force equal measures,...
,...upon a "kind" that throws social justice into a black hole,...

,...then, politicians, fundamentalists, psychics and insurance companies manipulate that reality,...

BLAH!!!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:39 PM
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26. GOODNIGHT JAMAICA, MON.
GODSPEED, island friends. I am listening for signs of life. Ham radio HF.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:39 PM
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29. Boston Bay, hang tight!
Mr. Baron and Winston, you're in our thoughts. You guys have Fisher and my numbers...contact us when possible.....Jeez Louise! Be safe!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:10 AM
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30. BBC reporting 2-story waves hours before eyewall arrived
The national electricity grid was also shut down.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3646528.stm
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