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DaveofCali Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:01 PM
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AP Poll: Bush Holds Slight Lead on Kerry
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040911/ap_on_el_pr/president_ap_poll&printer=1



AP Poll: Bush Holds Slight Lead on Kerry

By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) opens the fall campaign with a slight lead over Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), an Associated Press poll shows, as voters express growing confidence in the direction of the country and the performance of the incumbent.

Seven weeks before Election Day, the Republican is considered significantly more decisive, strong and likable than Kerry, and he has strengthened his position on virtually every issue important to voters, from the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and creating jobs — two sources of criticism — to matters of national security and values.

Since the Democratic National Convention ended in late July, the president has erased any gains Kerry had achieved while reshaping the political landscape in his favor: Nearly two-thirds of voters think protecting the country is more important than creating jobs, and Bush is favored over Kerry by a whopping 23 percentage points on who would keep the United States safe.

"If we don't take care of the terrorists, we certainly won't have to worry about the economy," said Janet Cross, 57, of Portsmouth, Ohio, who switched from Democrat to Republican for the last election.


Among those most likely to vote, the Republican ticket of Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) holds a lead of 51 percent to 46 percent over Kerry and Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites), with independent Ralph Nader (news - web sites) receiving 1 percent.

The AP-Ipsos-Public Affairs poll showed minorities, urban residents and other Democratic voters unified behind Kerry, as would be expected in the fall. But he lost ground in virtually every other demographic group: lower educated voters, suburbanites, rural voters, the middle class, married couples and baby boomers.

Many voters seemed to be retreating to Bush's camp after flirting with the Democrat, whose nominating convention was heavily focused on his Vietnam War record. For example, those in the GOP-leaning South narrowly favored Kerry in early August but now support Bush 58 percent to 38 percent. Married men slightly favored Bush last month but now back the president 2-to-1.

Among all registered voters, Bush-Cheney led the Democratic ticket 51 percent to 43 percent, a modest bounce in support since early August, when Kerry-Edwards led 48-45 percent.

The reversal is the result of a month of GOP-inspired criticism of Kerry's war record combined with a Republican National Convention scripted to undercut the Democrat's credibility and cast Bush as a steady commander in chief, said strategists in both campaigns.

"There's something I don't like about Kerry — too wishy-washy," said Don Dooley, a 54-year-old conservative Democrat from Grand Prairie, Texas, who is leaning toward Bush. "George is not the ideal kind of person, but at least he's more predictable than Kerry."


The question now is whether Bush's gains are as temporary as they were for Kerry — or the first sign of a fundamental shift in the race.

"I don't know if we know that yet," said Bush strategist Matthew Dowd, "but I think there's beginning to be some permanence to it." He said the president could settle into a lead of 3 or 4 percentage points, which could only be upset by a major event, such as the presidential debates.

Democrats predicted the race will be even in the next week or two, especially in the dozen or so states where the election will be decided.

"They had a convention and got a bounce just like we had a convention and got a bounce," said Kerry pollster Mark Mellman. He said Bush's gains were already eroding, pointing to polls taken during and after the convention that gave the president a double-digit lead.

For the first time since Kerry wrapped up the nomination, the AP-Ipsos poll suggests that a majority of voters approve of the president's job performance — 52 percent. The lifts him out of the danger zone for incumbents.

The percentage of voters who think the country is on the right track rose from 39 percent to 44 percent since August. The nation's spirits, while less than buoyant, are higher than when Democratic President Clinton (news - web sites) was re-elected in 1996, polls show.


Bush has fought an uphill battle against voter anxiety, fueled by the loss of nearly 1 million jobs during his term, rising health care costs and a war in Iraq that has led to more than 1,000 U.S. military deaths.

Half of voters approve of Bush's handling of the economy, up from 46 percent in August and the highest since January. His approval rating for the war on terrorism increased from 51 percent to 55 percent.

Voters were slightly more likely to say a candidate's positions on issues is more important than leadership and personal qualities. Of those who cited issues, Kerry was favored by 10 percentage points. People making a gut-level choice overwhelming favored Bush, 65-29 percent.

On the question of who can be trusted to protect the country, Bush gained 7 percentage points and Kerry lost the same amount — a 14-point swing. The shift was just as big on decisiveness, with 75 percent assigning that trait to Bush and just 37 percent saying they would use that word to describe Kerry.

There was a 9-point swing in Bush's favor on the issue of honesty, an 8-point swing on strength and 10-point swing on which candidate would do better creating jobs.


The AP-Ipsos survey of 1,286 registered voters, conducted Sept. 7-9, had a margin of error of 2.5 percentage points. The sample of 899 likely voters had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

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Associated Press Writers Will Lester and Trevor Tompson contributed to this report.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:07 PM
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1. What planet are these people living on?
They have been scared shitless by Bush's "be very afraid" campaign.
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DaveofCali Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:10 PM
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2. RNC's propaganda seems to be working
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:01 AM
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8. Have you been to see the RNC talking points
They DO crank out whoppin lists of those things... Ready arguments for the faithful... Went to the DNC site and we had far fewer, even though the list of talking points of ours could be pages and pages long... Do we not want to belabor the obvious?... Is it easier to go on and on when you're making things up ? Pathological liars wax loquacious?
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:02 AM
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26. AP-Ipsos purged nearly 400 voters in their poll
They had 1,286 registered voters, but only 899 "likely" voters.

I'll bet that the majority of those purged are voters who favored Kerry. Other polls, including Gallup, are doing the same thing. I have yet to see a poll that purged more Repubs than Dems.

So, to answer your question of "who are these people?" Most likely, mainly Repubs.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:34 PM
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3. This is devastating. Is it over?
I can't believe it. Yet I do believe it. Kerry has now been sized up by the electorate and rejected in favor of Bush. It's that fucking simple. It's got absolutely nothing to do with though or issues. It's got everything to do with image and likeability.
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hansolsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:48 PM
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6. Get a grip.. 51 / 46, big deal. 3% of the people switch back and we win.
The historical average is a 4% drop from the convention bounce to the actual vote. Just what we need. Yawn.
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ahimsa Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:52 PM
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7. And with the MOE of 2.5%...
it could well be 48.5 - 48.5. One person can switch and turn the tide.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:21 AM
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16. You're talking trash and missing the key statistic.
It's not a matter of switching 3% of the electorate. It's a matter of getting back to parity on the leadership issue. THAT's the issue that will decide this thing.

The key stat from this piece is:
"...Bush is favored over Kerry by a whopping 23 percentage points on who would keep the United States safe."

So what does JK do to get it back? I ask you for specifics.
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hansolsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:02 AM
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25. Kerry needs to state a clear plan for what he will do differently in Iraq
Here is what I want him to say.

QUOTE
Fellow citizens, hear me: I served in Vietnam and experienced the combat of war. I saw people killed and I killed enemy soldiers. I learned some things from that experience that will profoundly effect the orders I will issue as Commander and Chief. I will keep our soldiers safe from the folly of war. I will not send them on combat missions with no clear objective. I will not send them into battle where they cannot tell friend from foe. I will not ask them to fight for people who will not fight for themselves. I will never send American soldiers on a combat mission with rules of engagement where they cannot fire unless fired upon. I will never ask young soldiers to risk their lives because old men in high places cannot admit their mistakes.

I will go to Baghdad myself and I will meet with the leaders of the Iraqi insurgency. I will end this war on Iraq. I will not fire another shot in that war. I will hold an immediate national referendum in Iraq to determine if the Iraqi people want us to stay. If the people of Iraq want us out of there, I will bring the troops home. If a clear majority of Iraqis want us to stay, I will demand they stand along side American troops and prove it. If they refuse or shirk that duty, I will still bring our troops home. If they want us to stay and will stand with us, I will keep American forces there as true peace keepers.

I believe that God helps those who help themselves, and so do I. That principle will guide my policy in iraq. Please give me your vote and your confidence. Please trust that what I learned in the rice fields of South Vietnam is relevant to what must be done now. I ask for your trust. Quote.

Fellow bloggers: Will this mesage resonate?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:41 PM
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4. Who are thes 1,286 people?

It is so ironic that these small sample polls get such airplay.

I simply can not believe it!

IMO, Kerry should clearly be in the lead.

I still say, the fix is in with this election.

Each of the polls sound like Rove talking points.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:22 AM
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17. Sorry. This is a perfectly legitimate sample size.
Math doesn't lie.
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hilaryxdotson Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:43 AM
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20. You can get within...
6 or 3% margin or error with a random sample of about 1,200 people. I think things will change more our way though, come the debates.
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ArnoldLayne Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:45 PM
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5. Now it's time for a scorched earth policy
throw everything Bush's former girlfriends abortion,alleged cocaine use and last but not least his former Bun Buddy Victor/Victoria Ashe he might win but I want him impeached if he gets back in. I want him and the whole Republican Party brought down and forever disgraced for the SCUMBAG COCKSUCKERS they are. :crazy: :crazy: :nuke:
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:06 AM
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9. Of course the headline doesn't say
anything about *'s support eroding since his "bounce."
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:11 AM
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10. Agree! Headline should read:
"bush* lead cut in half in 5 days".
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:12 AM
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11. Hitler's polls would have looked much the same.
More "decisive" and "strong" than any potential challenger. "Best able to conduct the war and protect country" = "Most bellicose", "Shoots first, asks no questions."

The corporate pollsters had a big job to do by roughly Labor Day and they did a hell of a job. If only it were believable.

Let's see what all the new voters have to say on Nov. 2.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:17 AM
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14. If I hear one more person
refer to Bush as decisive -- I . . . Oh hell, I don't know what I'll do. Decisive is not a positive attribute when the person who is decisive is also an idiot.

If you were a passenger in a car and the person driving didn't know and didn't want to believe that they were headed for an unfinished bridge, you wouldn't laud them for being decisive and plowing ahead.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:39 AM
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19. Exactly.
As Germany demonstrated so well 60-70 years ago, the last thing you want to do is get behind somebody who is "decisive" and "strong" but DEAD WRONG!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:14 AM
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12. Two Words: NEW VOTERS.
This is what they are not counting on... Just heard that my stepson has been recruiting all of his friends, and his brother, to vote this time around.. The young voters, and the African American voters will tip it to Kerry. Polls.. schmolls.. this race can't be predicted that way...
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:20 AM
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15. I remember hearing that there were 1 million
new voters in Florida since 2000. Mostly young, (non-Cuban) Latinos, or both.

If that's true -- confirmation would be nice here -- I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of this group isn't going Shrub's way. That's a huge number that's missing from all of these crap polls.
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ArnoldLayne Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:33 AM
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18. And also Nader
is off the ballot in Florida. Also any Floridians here... how is the registering and getting out the vote of African-Americans and making sure that they are not going to be disfranchised progressing at this time from what you are hearing.:dem:
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:14 AM
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13. If this story is true, most Americans are ignorant, depraved, and selfish
IDIOTS!

"Taking care of terrorists is more important than the economy." "Bush can protect and save America from terrorism".

The sheeple have fallen prey to Bu$hCo's media-controlled campaign of hate and fear!

Give me a friggin' break!

:puke:

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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:47 AM
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21. Droning on about the economy and healthcare might not work
2004 seems to be about raw meat. It sounds to me like he has to hammer away on the leadership aspect. That's what made his acceptance speech so great.
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 01:20 AM
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22. Who are these terroists?
"If we don't take care of the terrorists, we certainly won't have to worry about the economy," said Janet Cross, 57, of Portsmouth, Ohio, who switched from Democrat to Republican for the last election.

The administration and many Americans talk as if THE TERRORISTS are this finite group of people who can all be hunted down and eliminated.
Do the ones in Russia count? They're probably not much of a threat to us. What about Northern Ireland's terrorists? Italy? Spain?
Supposedly Bush is so frigging tough that he's perceived as being able to rid the world of "The Terrorists" and yet he's worried about the town hall-style debate where he might encounter a confrontational Democrat?
Has Janet Cross thought of that? Or does she consider Kerry supporters "The Terrorists?"
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 01:28 AM
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23. Ha! "Where's 'Over There' Mr. Bush?"
"We're going to get them 'over there' so we don't have to worry about them here" is his latest bag of bunk. I'm hoping somebody will ask him where "over there" is.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:05 PM
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28. I wish
Janet could/would read your post.....but then again, she probably wouldn't recognize the obvious .
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Eurotrash Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 01:41 AM
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24. It's voter turnout that is going to decide things....
Admittedly most polls these days--and not only the obviously biased crap from the big media machine--indicate a slight but significant Bush lead. But virtually all of these are predicated on the "likely voter". With "registered voters" Kerry is at worst tied, at best a few points up.

We need to channel our anger, to do whatever is necessary to get EVERYONE registered and to the polls. Because we ARE going to take our country back, the will is there, and we are going to show Smirky and all his ass-lickers in the media that we are for real. But it won't be easy. It's voter turnout, people. Plain and simple.

Ask yourself: Am I doing ALL I CAN to bring real people to cast real votes? The stakes have never been higher. It is time to mobilize and show that we "registered voters" are not only "likely voters" but in fact "decisive voters" who will restore our country to a path of sanity and a position of respect around the world.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:27 AM
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27. These polls are mind control and manipulated
Just look what they do to us! Just look what they do to our minds! We feel defeated by them....and we all know how people are manipulated by them...everyone loves a winner..wants to be associated with the winner! I still say..that DU needs to do their own "informal" poll...if just 20 DUers would just call the first 25 listings in their phone book under a designated letter of a last name...we could debunk these polls...if for no one else, at least for oursleves.
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