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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:20 PM Original message |
CBS News / NY Times Poll: Bush Opens Lead Over Kerry 50% - 41% |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is a wake up call. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Deleted message |
demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Go pick on someone else. |
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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. I don't get it... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Maybe you should ask a question |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. I just recalibrated this poll to match 2000 turnout |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
80. Bogus. Bogus, bogus, bogus. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #80 |
111. "..unless Karl Rove can discourage the Democratic base into staying home |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
132. Observation: polls are galvanizing rather than discouraging,... |
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schultzee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
89. I don't trust American Pravada's polls anymore than I trust Bush. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
115. Read Al Hunt's analysis of why there are more Republicans in the poll |
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EthanAllenVt (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. I like smoke and lightning |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Gallup oversampled Repubs |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. see post 6. nt |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Again, this thing samples more republicans |
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dandy22 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Polls don't sample Democrats or Republicans |
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maryallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 09:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Not necessarily so ... |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
63. You must work for a fair and balanced research group... |
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dandy22 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Hmm, I disagree, I must work for Fox. |
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dandy22 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Another note about Zogby |
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maryallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #72 |
84. And what percentage of Americans use cell phones? |
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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:24 AM Response to Reply #84 |
94. How do cell phones affect a polls outcome? |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #94 |
130. Most 18-24 yr. olds use cell phones. |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
76. A question about the RDD |
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dandy22 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Question about RDD |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:29 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. So, since it's likely R or D, |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
85. True, the sample may be random |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
88. If you check the polls |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Deleted message |
Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
62. I am constantly amazed by the willingness of some folks on DU to.... |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
112. Indeed - I nominate this post for the front page. nt |
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Greyhawk (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
116. Carville |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 06:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
97. it DOES get posted, in the LBN forum by others... |
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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 07:36 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. We're adults and can handle debate? That's debateable |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. well, that a good example of the "tone" problem. |
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Kierkegaard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. For God's sake |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. look at the end of the poll... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 07:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
105. Poll-busting |
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silverlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. Conducted right after the RNC |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. What a comment to make to a new member! |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. Do you deny that we've been overrun by freepers since the end... |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:39 AM Response to Reply #64 |
95. Overrun? Nope. "Overrun" means "trampled." |
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EthanAllenVt (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. How does quoting a respected source like CBS make one suspect? |
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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. What??? |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Hiding one's profile does not add to credibility. |
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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. I never even knew... lol |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Good idea! |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. Just checking up on people, huh, Rev? Making sure they aren't Freepers? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 06:47 AM Response to Reply #50 |
99. please read post # 97 |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
125. Post #97 isn't that great. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. it says right in the poll you linked to when it was conducted |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
60. If You've Been Here a Year |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Considering the source of the polls and the media outfits funding them... |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
128. That is certainly true. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 06:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
98. please read post # 97 |
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Greyhawk (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
114. If you step out of line you're toast... |
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DemNoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. Amazing how people cant wait to post this stuff |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Isn't "killing the messenger" something we all abhor? |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
68. Do you really believe that's happening now? This is a message.... |
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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. I KNEW I'd gat flamed to hell... |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Haven't seen any flames, yet. |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. You're much too sensitive. If you consider any of the responses.... |
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Almost_there (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
96. I can certainly take the heat. It's the reasoning that escapes me. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 06:49 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. sigh...please read post #97 |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #23 |
100. please see post #97 |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #100 |
129. You sure like that post #97, don't you? |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
57. I'm not intimating that anyone is a troll, of course, but freepers often |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
119. Why don't you just deal with the issues? |
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shockingelk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. This is all you need to know |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Part of that is the media's fault |
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Protected (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. It's amazing how the truth is such a partisan issue in this election |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Look On The Bright Side |
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Greyhawk (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
122. Remember.... |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. I just read the internals at the bottom |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. yes and... |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I thought that was eye-dropping, too |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. Bush is the most anti liberal.... |
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jbm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #56 |
110. "Zell Miller" democrats maybe.. |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
59. To paraphrase Schneider(?) on one of the news programs tonight... |
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DemNoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Yes but! |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. And that lead among independents is highly suspect, IMHO. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 07:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
103. An eight point lead among indies doesn't produce these numbers. |
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PermanentRevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
22. I said this yesterday in my article... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
69. Welcome to DU! Great to have you here! |
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PermanentRevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Thanks! n/t |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
26. Wouldn't it be a bit more appopriate |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. No, it wouldn't be "more appropriate." |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 06:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
102. ok...so what is your diagnosis and solution? |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. Read post #34. |
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GR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
27. This Poll Is Also Bogus...Ignore It And Keep Working...And Donating.. |
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UCLA Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
28. I think these polls are crap. |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
126. You can say that all the way to the Bush inauguration, or ... |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
32. bs |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
34. This is the problem: Bush = authority figure in time of national crisis. |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I agree with you about the authority figure part |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
36. The reason that you don't post something like this |
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mconvente (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Polls arent the end all to be all |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Is because your "evening is shot"? |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 03:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
92. What do you mean? |
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insidious (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. Same old bullshit coming from the media |
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UCLA Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. amen to that. There are still 6 long weeks to go. I think Kerry |
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nagbacalan (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. But what, simply stated, is his message on Iraq? That unclarified |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 09:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I think Kerry has decided not to make the election a referendum on the war |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
82. What's BUSH'S message on Iraq? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
136. Here are some answers.. |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
45. Too funny. Like any poll conducted by Bush's media has any value. |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
91. It won't be all that funny if Bush wins a landslide |
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wsswss (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
46. The reason |
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Zeusmeister (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. The Reason |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 02:57 AM Response to Reply #46 |
90. We Have a Very Good Candidate Who is Getting Reamed by the Media |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
48. Horsepucky |
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mconvente (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. excellent point |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
123. Why "likely voters" (as opposed to registered voters) = unreliable pool |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. But unlike the Gallup Poll, CBS/NYT Polled (50%-41%) registered voters |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
55. I just don't get it....people want 4 more years of this!!!! |
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demoman123 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
131. A lot of our fellow Americans make good citizens of an empire. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
70. Suddenly a barrage of shitty polls as the heat is turned up on chimp!!!! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
137. Interesting! The heat IS on, isn't it? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
71. www.fair.org has information on polling and the media |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
73. I don't believe in any of the polls |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I was intimating the same thing in my post above yours. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
78. Same poll, posted three times today "hide thread" for me |
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PermanentRevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
79. At least MSNBC is reporting the inconsistencies |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-17-04 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
81. More on polling and polls |
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Sperk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
86. In a word........BULLSHIT! just cover for stolen election. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
93. thought |
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jbm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #93 |
113. I love your enthusiasm..but.. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #113 |
134. there's really no need to lie - just telling the truth gives them hell nt |
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dand (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
106. Don't be sorry you posted this poll, |
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argonne (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
107. It's OVER. |
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Maeve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 09:55 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. It ain't over til the votes are counted |
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NoBorders (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
117. Gallup: "we are our own wost enemy" -amen |
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Greyhawk (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Polls are just that... |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #120 |
135. The hell it is - the Presidency chooses the executive branch bureaucracy |
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West Coast Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
118. Final CBS/NY Times Poll Bush 47 Gore 42 (11/1-11/4/2000) |
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pstokely (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. most of the final polls showed * ahead |
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bogey18 (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-04 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
133. The answer to all of this is simple |
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