Bush Raises Questions About CBS Documents

[mconvente]

KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) questioned the authenticity of documents aired by CBS News that said he received special treatment during his Vietnam-era service in the National Guard, according to a Bush interview published on Saturday.


"There are a lot of questions about the documents and they need to be answered," Bush told the Union Leader newspaper of Manchester, New Hampshire, after a week in which some experts questioned whether the documents had been fabricated by those seeking to damage Bush in his re-election race.


"I think what needs to happen is people need to take a look at the documents, how they were created, and let the truth come out," Bush added.

edit = here's the link:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040918/ts_nm/campaign_cbs_dc_1


What a whore. If shrub is so adament about his miltary documents, why doesn't he release them all. What a fucking whore.

[jean]

1. There are a lot of questions about bush's authenticity - this is the issue

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Notice until now bush had stayed out of the fray

Friday the LAT uncovered the RW operative who started this.

I read this as Karl is getting nervous

[Just Me]

23. *smile* Rovian psy-ops being used against him,...

,...and he will go down in history as a neo-Goebbels practitioner.

Evil doughboy,...who deserves whatever horrible fate may do him in.

[demoman123]

33. You gotta admit that Rove & Co. are clever--the way they twist & turn...

and shift the focus and change the subject. Diabolical, but clever. The news people cooperate with this, too, so Rove et al have that on their side.

[Just Me]

42. They don't give a rat's ass about "values" or "principles" or,...

,...anything noble or inspirational in terms of our country or our people.

Yeah,...they are "clever" in pursuing self-interests, damn the rest of humanity,...as they puritanically serve themselves,...the best of the best in despotic terms. They are quite brilliant in manipulating the best of the American people,...to the peoples' demise while enriching the interests of a themselves.

They wield "powerless" extremists and desperate humans as no other than,...well, any destructive leadership ever has. They are quite evil in moral, Christian, ethical, American...even relative terms.

I don't much like them *giggle*.

[TexasLady]

3. ""There are a lot of questions about the documents and they need to be ans

answered"

yes shrub, they SHO do!

[Zensea]

4. why doesn't he just say they are false?

Kind of makes you wonder.
If he knows they are false & he was there at the time, then it's not a matter of there being this passive construction of there are questions. Where's Bush the active voice saying they are false?
He's not saying that here.
Maybe he is avoiding one more lie?

[mconvente]

5. exactly

if shrub is sooo adamant about these being false, why doesn't he just say so? Sounds like another cover up to me...

[Cocoa]

20. good question

but a question that the Union-Leader probably did not ask.

[Jazzgirl]

24. Thats because the contents aren't false.

I don't know if the docs are forgeries or not but even Killian's secretary said the contents were correct. Let *shrub answer that!

Have I said lately how much I hate these people??!!?? :grr:

[Generic Other]

27. Bush the active voice?

Are you talking about the pull-string behind his neck?

That passive voice thing is suspicious. After all, he is talking about himself!

[Thom Rafferty]

57. Maybe He Plans To Prosecute Burkett

And doesn't want to let Burkett's lawyer get the case dismissed because his client can't get a fail trial.

If The President of the United States told the nation publicly that the key evidence is not authentic, that would be very prejudicial to the potential jury pool (especially in Texas).

[Mechatanketra]

6. Does anyone realize that this *is* an authentication?

Why would Bush just say there are "questions" about the documents, if they were in fact wrong (i.e. the content was incorrect) rather than merely inauthentic?

Consider: if someone presents a document purporting to be a bill for my services as an assassin, I don't have to "raise questions" about it -- I know it must be fake, because I've never taken money to kill people.

Bush is apparently in a position where he isn't sure whether a commanding officer would have written a memo complaining about being pressured to grease the wheels for him. This can only be true if Bush knows that wheels were in fact greased.

Am I wrong?

[mconvente]

7. semantics my friend

you are absolutely correct. In a day where semantics matter ever so much, Bush is implying that he doesn't think they are entirely false. If you're military records were being trampled upon and you knew it to be false, you would defend them to your death and defiantly (as Kerry did). But not shrub, he's a little whore.

[havocmom]

16. Can't help but think Rather is smiling and rubbing hands together

as the fly steps into the web. Webs are delicate looking things but tough and sticky.

[0007]

30. Will you step into my parlor,"said the spider to the fly"

'Tis the prettiest little parlor you ever did spy.

[candy331]

56. I sure hope you are right, I hope a heap of spiders are spinning

their webs waiting for the kill.

[Red Fox]

17. Absolutely correct, and not just that

"There are a lot of questions about the documents and they need to be answered,"

He raises the interest that he, apparently, wants to know something about the documents. Whether it's true or not? Whether he's subject to special treatment or not?

Nay, he isn't interested in whether the contents reflect the reality, he's only wondering "how they were created".

Is this guy for real? What a manipulator....

Who cares how they were created? What's important is whether the contents reflect the truth. If he wasn't playing dodgeball all the frigging time, he might even become a boy.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. Well then maybe he can just go ahead

and tell us the truth about his years in the National Guard. Only he knows what really happened. If he had met his committments and deserved and honorable discharge, I would think he would be more upset?

[EndElectoral]

9. Was CBS Set Up? ... Link..below

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2026&ncid=2026&e=5&u=/latimests/20040918/ts_latimes/gopactivistmadeallegationsoncbsmemos

[mconvente]

12. great link

thanks for your finding! I think that's clear that the freepers are up to something. Oh, btw, have you seen a picture of that weasel? Man he must have gotten made fun of A TON in school - he looks like the biggest sissy loser i have ever seen in my life!

[JoFerret]

13. The speed of that response and the fact

that freeper B(!)uckhead has GOP connections make this very suspect. Dig media people, dig.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Please post this in LBN and GD Campaign 2004

there are a lot of folks around here who made this story happen, that are gonna go nuts when they see this. ROFLMAO

[Just Me]

26. Ewwww!!! I wonder if this neo-fascist is a pudge-boy like Rove.

Let's dig into his closet,...whaddya' say?

I'll bet he has LOTS of anti-American, anti-democracy, anti-equality, anti-environment, etc. skeletons that reveal his true character and motivations!!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. We already have

Almost all of the information in this story is from DU sources. There are a bunch of threads in the GD & GD Campaingn 2004 forums about this guy.

[candy331]

59. So did the White House send Doc to him/who did or did he already have

them since only 4 hours after CBS aired he was up and running? I don't think he could have done this to Docs he had never seen in this short period of time myself.

The White House had access to the memos before the broadcast. CBS delivered copies to White House communications director Dan Bartlett on the morning of Sept. 8 so he could discuss them in an interview with Rather. Whether MacDougald had help reviewing the memos remains unknown.

[stepnw1f]

10. Bush Has Given This Story Wings, forget the Legs

His acknowledgement is evident in his defense of the allegations he has been getting. Now it spreads like a cancer upon Bush's credibility.

Thank you Dan Rather for punking Carl Rove!

[JoFerret]

11. Interesting that he has taken the issue up

...his handlers must feel he is on sure ground that a.) the focus is safely on the documents not the truth of the story, and b.) that the trail cannot be found to link back to his operatives.

Why not answer the questions Georgie? Where were you?

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. but, but

LAT has identified buckwead

Rove is loosing his touch

[Jane Austin]

45. ...his handlers must feel he is on sure ground

>that a.) the focus is safely on the documents not the truth of the >story, and b.) that the trail cannot be found to link back to his >operatives.

Or maybe his handlers aren't weekending at the shore.

[DrBlix]

18. Perhaps this will help PROJECT P.U.L.L

Check out "Fortunate Son" and Bush's ghost written book by Karen Huges "A Charge to Keep".
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Both books refer to "Project P.U.L.L" in Houston, Texas.
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Of particular interest is May 1972 isn't that the very month that Bush was ORDERED to take a medical physical by his commanding officer?
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Isn't that the time Bush went missing from TXANG May 1972?
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Now in "Fortunate Son" Hatfield (now mysteriously diseased) writes about Bush being BUSTED for cocaine possession. He goes on to say that again as a favor to Bush's daddy the judge instead of giving Bush junior JAIL time he ORDERED Bush to perform community service for X number of hours at Project PULL.
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In Bush's own ghost written book "A Charge to Keep" he says he "volunteered" at Project PULL.
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Funny thing no one saw Bush at Project PULL either...strange isn't it? He was there alright during 2000 election I saw a photo of him there, for some reason I now can't find it.
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Now here we have a guy (Bush) who is most of the time drunk off his ass or drugged up with cocaine who SUDDENLY decides to.....ah.....volunteer to Project PULL May 1972....????
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Spin this however you want but the fact is that Bush disobeyed a direct order to take a medical physical and didn't report for duty May 1972.....well how could he HUH?
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Then he just takes off and goes AWOL to Alabama to campaign (he says) for a buddy. But no one saw him there either.
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=bush+project+pull+texas&btnG=Search
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Not one mention of any of this in the media it's as if Project P.U.L.L never existed. We need to do some more digging on this and connect the dots.

[JoFerret]

19. I wish someone could get close enough to ask the question

but so many questions unanswered and unasked.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. Answer the frickin' questions, FratBoy...or admit you were a deserter.

[n2mark]

22. Interesting

I just find this all interesting while Rathers and CBS remain quiet. Whatever happened to the US News & Report?
Someone has the goods, the WH is grasping!

When someone remains quiet, they are either trying to figure how to dig themselves out of a mess, or they have the goods waiting for the right time.

But sad to say this idiot in the WH, actually we should call it the Black House now as this is the color Shrub gives it, he gets away with everything. Hopefully these lies will catch up with him before election day.

[Iceburg]

58. No --the White House is now the Red House ... the color of blood

[Dr Fate]

25. Where did those Swift-boat vets go?

Heh-heh.

Bush is on the defensive, and the SBV liars are 100% neutralized!!!

Forged are not, the story is getting out- and people are debating it.

[Gman]

28. That sorry piece of shit!!!!

"There are a lot of questions about the documents and they need to be answered,"

THEN ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTIONS YOU ARROGANT SOB! ONLY YOU CAN ANSWER THEM!

He does not deny these documents are valid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[liveoaktx]

29. Sleight of hand while he does NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS RATHER RAISED

He has to know whether the CONTENT of the docs is false or not, but he's shifting attention away to the validity of the documents as typed.

[molly]

31. You get to go first w - yea let the truth come out

[skordane]

32. To Put This to Rest

All President "Frank Burns" Bush needs to do is say:
(1) I was not grounded
(2) I did my NG service in Alabama

Case Closed

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[illiteratepresident]

51. Condoleeza Rice - LIAR

April 8, 2004 - Condoleeza Rice before the 9/11 commission:
KEAN: I've got a question now I'd like to ask you. It was given to me by a number of members of the families.

Did you ever see or hear from the FBI, from the CIA, from any other intelligence agency, any memos or discussions or anything else between the time you got into office and 9/11 that talked about using planes as bombs?

RICE: Let me address this question because it has been on the table.

I think that concern about what I might have known or we might have known was provoked by some statements that I made in a press conference. I was in a press conference to try and describe the August 6th memo, which I've talked about here in my opening remarks and which I talked about with you in the private session.

And I said, at one point, that this was a historical memo, that it was -- it was not based on new threat information. And I said, "No one could have imagined them taking a plane, slamming it into the Pentagon' about the use of airplanes as weapons actually was never briefed to us.

I cannot tell you that there might not have been a report here or a report there that reached somebody in our midst.
http://www.bushcountry.org/news/apr_news_pages/n_040904_transcript_condeleeza_ri ce.htm
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Washington, D.C., Nov. 3, 2000 — The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas.

Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames. The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html


"An incredible coincidence..."

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.
http://www.nlsi.net/hs-alc-info.htm
Founded in 1997, the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute is a training and technology center serving public safety and private security professionals, citizens, and various segments of government, business and industry.

"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-08-22-sept-11-plane-drill-_x.htm
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-08-22/usw_plane.asp

Likewise, the major newsmedia virtually never mentioned this info. Yet, here it is, on UNIMPEACHABLE sites.

Are we to think war games taking place on 9/11 are somehow irrelevant to such an extent that that the 9/11 commission never even mentioned them? National Reconnaissance Office - mentioned on pages 103, 420, 425, 426, NONE haveing to do with planned plane crash by the CIA on 9/11.

Sorry, but that is a government cover-up, plain and simple. There is no other explanation. If you have one, I'd LOVE to hear it.

[illiteratepresident]

52. 9/11 In Plane Sight

"Shocking - Thought provoking - Raises serious questions about the government's honesty in conducting the 9-11 investigation"

"Absolutely awesome. This is the one September 11 video that everyone should see."


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6847.htm

[illiteratepresident]

53. secrecy abounds

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040914-042952-9828r.htm

the White House is classifying 50 percent more documents since 2001, making it more difficult to track what the government is doing

[illiteratepresident]

54. is this one why?

What made them fall?


"We have numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..."

http://www.nbvfd3.org/audio/wtc03.mp3





Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.

A handful of Jersey City firemen, with a civilian dispatcher, managed to survive, grouping near the still-standing north tower.

Official: Deputy one from Battalion 3, that's affirmative. I have all JCFD personnel on location.
Dispatcher: Received.
Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
Dispatcher: Dispatch. Battalion 3.
Official: Battalion 3. I am, I am Greg. North tower has collapsed.
Dispatcher: Battalion 3, all members accounted for?

All, but for Joseph Lovero, his body was found near that of his chief.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html



http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/attack22.ram

[illiteratepresident]

55. the Heat of the BigLie

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

Dozens of hot spots were mapped. The hottest spots at the surface of the rubble, where abundant oxygen was available, showed a temperature of 1377° F (747° C). This is, however, less than half as hot at the molten steel in the basement.

Construction steel has an extremely high melting point of about 2,800° Fahrenheit (1535° Celsius). Kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate this much heat, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement.

It should be noted that one of the few things capable of producing such extreme temperatures in these conditions is thermite, a chemical compound used in demolition explosives.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Damage in the lobby, 78 floors below where the plane just struck: http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/lobby.mpg

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the south tower:

The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway


Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby:

We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped.


Ling Young was in her 78th floor office:

Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes...

NIST Tests Provide Fire Resistance Data on
World Trade Center Floor Systems

The Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) recently reported that results from a series of four fire resistance tests conducted in August 2004 on composite concrete-steel trussed floor systems typical of those used in the World Trade Center (WTC) towers showed that the test structures were able to withstand standard fire conditions for between 45 minutes and two hours. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/ULTestResults.pdf

Construction worker Phillip Morelli describes being thrown to the ground by two explosions while in the fourth subbasement of the North Tower. The first, which threw him to the ground and seemed to coincide with the plane crash, was followed by a larger blast that again threw him to the ground and this time blew out walls. He then made his way to the South Tower and was in the subbasement there when the second plane hit, again associated with a powerful underground blast. This is one of a series of interviews with WTC survivors done by NY1 News: http://ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html

Bush reaction when hearing about accusations of preknowledge in the 9/11 attacks
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/6/9_11laugh.mpg

[David Zephyr]

40. HEADLINE: THE VIOLENCE IS NOT ABOUT ELECTIONS; IT'S ABOUT OCCUPATION.

Karl Rove has the press repeating his spin on the escalating violence being a result to upcoming elections.

Don't buy into the bullshit.

The escalating violence --- in spite of the White House and its news organ, Fox News, saying things were getting better --- is because the U.S. has completely lost control of Iraq just as it has with Afghanistan. The uprisings are against a foreign occupation.

It has NOTHING to do with upcoming "scheduled" elections.

[Disturbed]

41. P.U.L.L. Community Service..

is the smoking gun. Find docs about why W was ordered to serve there and it will be known why he is not forthcoming about his ANG service. Why did he and James Bath refuse to take the flight physical?

[DrBlix]

44. P.U.L.L Community service

There is no doubt that Bush was in Houston in late 1972 and early 1973. During that period, according to Bush's autobiography, he held a civilian job working for an inner-city, antipoverty program in the city
.. ...
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  At Project P.U.L.L
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Half truths and lies. LOL
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What Bush calls a job was judge ordered "community service" for his cocaine BUST.
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Doesn't Bush know the "truth" will set you free?
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http://www.members.tripod.com/~pearly-abraham/htmls/GWB2.html
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There IS a photo showing Bush 1972 along with another guy working there, I saw it campaign 2000.....the lie was political to show his community spirit.....LOL.
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It didn't say BUSTED.
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This photo must still be out there but I can't find it....anyone want to help?

[Catfight]

43. Wow, that's some straight talk there Georgie, can't you just tell us

if they are false or authentic? Seems to me you'd know if you were there or not and you could answer why you didn't take the physical.

[leesa]

46. No. We need to look at his REAL "service record". Seems as though

he has active duty time to make up in Iraq.

[MallRat]

47. Obvious follow-up: "Mr. President, is the CONTENT of the memos true?"

Did the Union Leader bother to ask him this OBVIOUS followup question?

-MR

[NYC]

48. Reply from CBS Evening News re AWOL papers.

From: CND Evening News <[e-mail]>
To : "NYC"
Date : Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:07:47 -0400
Subject : RE: Bush National Guard

Dear "NYC",

Thank you for taking the time to write. Your support is appreciated. As you can imagine, we've been inundated with negative emails.

It's refreshing to hear from a viewer such as yourself. We strive for the highest level of journalistic integrity and will continue to do so, no matter what the cost. A free society demands free, unmuzzled media
expression.

Regina,

CBS Evening News

(I told them to continue investigating.)

[Flammable Materials]

49. That's it. Rove's behind these.

No denying it now.

Well, maybe. I just hope to fuck someone has originals. I just hope to fuck.