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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 10:55 AM
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The cracks in the facade of Bush unity
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 10:57 AM by JoFerret
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040921/pl_afp/us_vote_foreign&cid=1521&ncid=2043

WASHINGTON (AFP) - George W. Bush likes to put up a show of administration unity for the world but his presidency has been marked by divisions on issues ranging from Iraq, to the US economy and the global environment.

Several top officials who were with Bush when he took the oath in January 2001 have since resigned, some like ex-treasury secretary Paul O'Neill, going public with their feelings about the Bush style of government.

But it has been the White House infighting pitting Secretary of State Colin Powell against Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney that will be most remembered.

In his book "Plan of Attack", about events within the administration before the invasion of Iraq, Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward quoted Powell as saying "Cheney has a fever. It is an absolute fever. It's almost as if nothing else exists."

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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 10:57 AM
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1. Setting the stage to dump Dick ...
... bring on McCain as VEEP candidate to counter Kerry's VietNam service, right George ??

:shrug:
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:01 AM
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4. That would be ideal.
It would throw back in monkey boy's face their mantra of steady leadership during a time of war.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:15 AM
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7. having watched mccain over the last 6months - I would never want
him for president - ever
therefore no vice president
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:22 AM
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8. You are so right
McCain is such a whore. He'll tell anybody anything they want to hear just to appear like a good guy. His ulterior motives are more and more transparent to me.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:51 PM
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12. ....Kerry would have to run the anti-McCain ads
of the Bush primaries from 2000 to split the ticket. If they are accessible...what fun!
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:57 PM
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9. I agree that Cheney will 'get sick' on Nov.3rd
if, God help us, * wins. But I think the choice will be Pataki of New York. Wants to succeed * plus can perhaps make NY a red state.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 02:06 PM
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10. No, not Pataki, but another Republican govenor -
Jeb Bush! It's perfect - Jeb comes in as big brither W's side-kick and then takes over in 2008 as a continuation of the "team". You know that the American people just can't vote against a Bush (not and live to tell it).
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 03:42 PM
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11. I respectfully totally disagree with you
No way he would risk the negativity and scrutiny of a campaign for president. His daughter got busted last year for drugs. No way.
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kevin881 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 10:40 PM
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17. thats illegal.
they made it illegal after Bobby was JFK's atty general.
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elsiesummers Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:46 PM
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18. Bingo - Jeb!!! But only if they get in next term - Cheney stays on ticket.
They won't ditch Cheney now.

Ideal for * would be for Cheney to die in office so he can turn to his brother (we should call him **) in a time of grief (* will shed crocodile tears) to reduce press questions and intra-party antagonism about nepotism.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:52 PM
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13. Pataki is a nothing
...he is like Tom ridge - a totally empty sack.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 09:05 PM
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14. Except for the matter that a majority of New Yorkers
can't stand Pataki. Pataki supporters are few and far between these days.

Plus he's almost as big a douchebag as Bush*.
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:01 AM
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19. Pataki isn't exactly a folk hero in NY..
he got elected on one position: that he would sign the annual death penalty bill that was passed each year by both NYS legislatures, and vetoed by Mario Cuomo. I think voters were just weary of Cuomo as well, who was running for his 4th term. I'm a fairly liberal democrat, and while I didn't vote for Pataki, I couldn't bring myself to vote for Cuomo either that year. In the races after that, the Democrats were somewhat divided in who their candidate was and I think Pataki won by inertia. If you put him on a stage with every other NYS politician, he's like a third wheel. I don't think downstate would vote republican because Pataki was on the ticket.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 09:24 PM
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15. Hehe - too late. Unless, of course, Cheney has the "attack" we predicted
during the debate. Be interesting to see that happen.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 10:57 AM
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2. Dontcha love it?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:00 AM
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3. Great quote from Woodward's book.....
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040921/pl_afp/us_vote_foreign&cid=1521&ncid=2043
>>In his book "Plan of Attack", about events within the administration before the invasion of Iraq, Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward quoted Powell as saying "Cheney has a fever. It is an absolute fever. It's almost as if nothing else exists."<<

I am sure many of you have heard of gold fever.... well, that is what Mr. Dick had... and where we are today is what it has turned into. Wouldn't it have been better to give him some Tylenol? Certainly cheaper I would think at this point.
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:06 AM
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5. Gold Fever
Your statements reminded me of this song...sounds true except for the last line...I don't remember ever calling Cheney a friend...

Thompson Twins (Album: Close to the Bone)

Well ya thought you were one of the chosen few
Ya tried to change the world but the world changed you
Oh yeah, you've gotten old but you didn't get wise
And now you can't see further than those dollar signs

(chorus)
You got GOLD FEVER its makin' you blind
You got GOLD FEVER sell your brothers down the line

Well ya tell me just how you sleep at night
When ya know what ya doin' just ain't right
Ooh yeah bad money breeds bad men
Now it bothers me to think I used to call you a friend
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:11 AM
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6. It's nice to know (and not) that some things never change... n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 09:32 PM
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16. He has "gold fever" and all he found was pyrite.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:19 AM
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26. rather a "pyrrhic" fever, don't you mean?
pyrrhic


adj 1: of or relating to a war dance of ancient Greece; "pyrrhic dance movements" 2: of or relating to or containing a metrical foot of two unstressed syllables; "pyrrhic verses" 3: of or relating to or resembling Pyrrhus or his exploits (especially his sustaining staggering losses in order to defeat the Romans); "a Pyrrhic victory" n 1: a metrical unit with unstressed-unstressed syllables 2: an ancient Greek dance imitating the motions of warfare
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eriffle Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:09 AM
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20. After a long talk with a conservative friend
He finally admitted I don't like Bush, he's done some stuff that really pisses me off, but I just can't relate to John Kerry. These people don't like Kerry, but they also don't like Bush. I wouldn't be amazed if he ends up not voting. Dyed in the wool conservatives won't vote for Kerry because he does differ from their beliefs, but Bush does too. This could also lead to the polls being skewed, if people were to vote they'd vote Bush, but from what I'm hearing here, people aren't as enthusiastic about four more Bush years as they were before Iraq went down the tubes pubicly
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:18 AM
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21. "Iraq went down the tubes pubicly" - reference to Abu Ghraib or -
just a Freudian slip?
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eriffle Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 01:26 AM
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22. whoops
I meant publicly....but I guess yeah, the prison abuse was an example of it.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:48 PM
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23. I was talking to a Puke the other day.
And he started in with that "trying to be reasonable" bullshit about "Kerry's view on this and Kerry's stand on that." I just stopped him. I said, "I don't care what Kerry's views are on anything - he isn't Bush and that's all that matters to me. Bush is a lying, murdering, cheating, kidnapping, terrorist son of a bitch and I would vote for a one-eyed, mangy, retarded dog just to get that coward bastard out of office!" (I paraphrase, somewhat, because I was a little hot and don't remember my exact words) He just kind of backed up a little (I am a fairly big guy) and told me to calm down, that he got it that I didn't like Bush. I told him that I would not calm down - that this was my children's and my country's futures we were talking about and it was no damned time for calm. Anyway, I felt only a little chagrined afterward - mostly I felt great...
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:55 AM
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25. Once Kerry erases damage from the Swift Boat smears
he will win a lot of these hedgers.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:45 PM
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24. Hi eriffle!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:01 PM
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27. kick
:kick:
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