Kerry Tops Bush In MTV Poll (46 to 40 - 59% think there will be no draft)

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/21/politics/main644806.shtml

Young voters prefer Democrat John Kerry to President Bush by a margin of 46 percent to 40 percent, according to an MTV Choose or Lose poll released Tuesday, although they do not feel overwhelmingly positive toward either candidate.

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Young voters see Kerry, not George W. Bush, as someone who understands their lives: 48 percent think Kerry shares their priorities, and 40 percent think he does not. In contrast, more than half of voters under 30 see President Bush as someone who does not share their priorities.

The economy and jobs is the number one issue for young people. Given a set of choices, 35 percent choose the economy and jobs as the most important issue in their vote, 22 percent say terrorism and national security, 15 percent cite the war in Iraq, 12 percent education and 11 percent civil liberties and civil rights.

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Young people have mixed feelings about the war in Iraq: 49 percent think the United States did the right thing in taking action against Iraq, while 45 percent believe the U.S. should have stayed out. They are more in agreement, however, when it comes to the draft: most (78 percent) oppose its reinstatement, and most (59 percent) think it will probably not be reinstated.

[JohnKleeb]

1. ok most think the war was right but they oppose the reinstatement of draft

Jesus what is with my fucking peers. Damnit, sorry but this shit pisses me off. But alas at least Kerry is winning but it should be much higher.

[Beetwasher]

2. Time For Some Push Polling About the Upcoming Draft

Hit it hard!

[wildeyed]

6. excellent idea n/t

[Dems Will Win]

15. DRAFT?!?! Did someone say DRAFT?!?!

Printable pdf: http: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf

In May, the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a document they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” after holding a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the very mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American”, male and female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly the entire government.

Here, for the first time, is the FOI document itself:

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

This document is real, having been acknowledged by the DoD and the SSS when they said no action is being taken on it at the present time, as reported:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft.

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05!!

[CrispyQ]

3. Oh my! 59% of those young people are going to be in for a shock

...if Dimson wins.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

18. Yes they will!!!

How stupid are they???

[LiberalVoice]

4. Young people are stupid.

Actually come to think of it. Most people in any age bracket are stupid. Whether they are in support of Bush or Kerry most of them aren't even sure why. Some people may be ok with "Well at least he/she likes Kerry" but not me. I'm sick and tired of the mass pop not giving a shit about anyone but themselves.

The fact that 49% of these idiots think we should have gone into Iraq but 78% don't want the draft reinstated is a perfect example of how everyone is looking out for number one and thats that.

[JohnKleeb]

8. yeah that struck me too

most support it but would oppose reinstatement of draft, how's this scenrio I oppose the war and the draft but would accept it if I got drafted but would try hard for a non-combat role like corpsman.

[LiberalVoice]

12. I had a conversation with my best friend a few months back.

He asked me, "If they reinstated the draft would you run or stay and fight?"

He told me he would stay and fight just so he wouldn't be known as one of the ones that ran away.

I told him very simply that I will never fight for a country or govt. that has no intention of making the world a better place. That I would never fight for a govt. whos sole purpose is to keep the rich in power, keep the middle class thinking their important too, and making sure the lower class stay poor and not even know the chips are stacked against them. That if he thought the most important thing in the middle of all this chaos, was what people thought of him? I told him, "You need to get your priorities straight."

[JohnKleeb]

16. You see I'd be a corpsman or medic because I would want to save life

I would do it not because of fear being called coward but because I feel as Gore did 32 years ago that someone else from my town doesnt have to fight it, now I wouldn't enlist but if drafted, I'd accept but would ask for a non-combat role. I got nothing against people who evade the drafts of wars like this one.

[sonicx]

5. BS Kerry's in the high 50's/low 60's for young people

i don't trust CBS's polls after that last one..

[hansolsen]

7. That's good, but not good enough. Young Republicans are busy beaver,

nose to the grindstone types who actually vote. Young Dems who despise George Bush are less likely to vote -- they're too busy having a good time -- that's partly why they are Democrats.

So here is what he need to do -- we need to get out that youth vote. We cannot ignore it, cannot take it for granted and cannot assume our lead in the 18 - 24 group will yield automatic results on Nov 2.

If you know a young Kerry supporter, take action to get them registered and get them to the polls if you have to hog tie them in the trunk.

[JohnKleeb]

9. young dems around here are not only more cooler than the young repubs

we outnumber them by a lot and this an area that votes republican often.

[sonicx]

10. we are

there's a huge young GOTV this year.

btw, Kerry will get 57+ percent youth vote. this poll is BS.

[AlCzervik]

11. My 10 year old brought home the schoolastic poll today

She just filled out and the poll results will be published as it is nationial. I hope to see similar results.

[WillyT]

13. MTV Article Here:

Link: http://www.mtv.com/chooseorlose/headlines/news.jhtml?id=1491234

:shrug:

[disneyboy]

14. Someone should.....

E-MAIL MTV w/ the draft documents! These teens and college kids are DELUSIONAL!!!

[0007]

23. Naw! They ain't delusional, but if things don't work out they'll

go crazy maybe? A little more than we did in the 60's!

[trueblew]

17. Kerry...

should state "read my lips, no new draft on my watch." He should also promise that any recruiter caught lying to or defrauding enlistees will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[GaryL]

20. Edwards....

already stated there will be no draft on Kerry's watch.

[Dems Will Win]

21. He already has. Kerry's NO-DRAFT PLAN

The major media cover hardly anything that John Kerry says, especially if it is about the draft. So you would never know it, but John Kerry has a No-Draft Plan, a plan to strengthen the military in key areas yet draw down U.S. troop levels in Iraq by internationalizing the situation and then getting out as soon as possible.

Here are the five main points of Kerry’s No-Draft Plan:

1. Move some paper-pushers to combat (lots of potential there)

2. Increase enlistment with real scholarships, benefits and pay raises

3. Let troops know Special Ops will hunt al-Queda, no more invasions needed, so re-up rate goes up. "Primarily a law enforcement effort, not a full military effort", said John Kerry on Meet The Press.

4. Start a "Civilian Stability Corps" that would help in reconstructing Afghanistan and Iraq and relieve military pressure. It would be kind of like the Peace Corps—but on steroids.

5. GET FOREIGN TROOPS TO COME INTO INSTEAD OF LEAVE IRAQ.

Kerry gave some details about the proposed Civilian Stability Corps, made up of volunteers:

"...I propose that we enlist thousands of them in a Civilian Stability Corps, a reserve organization of volunteers ready to help win the peace in troubled places. Like military reservists, they will have peacetime jobs; but in times of national need, they will be called into service to restore roads, renovate schools, open hospitals, repair power systems, draft a constitution, or build a police force. A Civilian Stability Corps can bring the best of America to the worst of the world—and reduce pressure on the military."
- Source: Kerry, John. "Protecting Our Military Families in Times of War: A Military Family Bill of Rights." March 17, 2004. http://johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0317.html >

In April, on a conference call with 130 College Newspaper Editors, Kerry said “No Draft”, that he would have a sensible foreign policy that would not require reinstatement. And in June, Kerry told a Wisconsin high school that if elected, a draft would be "absolutely unnecessary".

Kerry’s plan calls for increasing active-duty troop levels by 40,000 people. He also doubles the number of Special Ops troops. Half the 40,000 being added are civil engineering/reconstruction specialists and half are combat, costing an extra $7 billion, but it relieves the pressure on the Guard and Reserves for overseas deployments and essentially saves the Volunteer Army. $7 billion is well worth not having to bring back the draft!

Kerry charges that Bush is ruining the Volunteer approach with long Guard and Reserve deployments and numerous stop-loss orders, which Kerry says is a “Back-door Draft”. Since Kerry will increase pay, benefits, scholarships and reduce long deployments of regular troops and the reserves, if he is elected the re-enlistment rates and recruitment rates will return to normal. Recently, troops returning from Iraq are reportedly leaving the Service in huge numbers, although denied by DoD (see David Hackworth, Voting With their Feet http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38644).

With this No-Draft Plan, Kerry will not have to resort to conscription, even after Bush has made such a mess of it in Iraq. Kerry has also pledged that he will push renewable energy development and true energy independence, “so that we never again have soldiers dying for oil”.

Kerry has criticized the inequality of the draft, that the poor and minorities are inducted in higher numbers than their fair share and that the draft is a source of conflict. John Kerry will not reinstate the draft—outside of the invasion of the United States by China or something like that.

The choice is thus clear to all voters. Vote for Bush and you are also voting for the resumption of the draft—to man his hidden agenda of invading more countries and staying in Iraq forever.

Or vote for Kerry and you are voting PNAC out of the White House, and with it Bush’s hidden agenda to bring back the draft so U.S. companies can dominate the world’s remaining oil supply.

[trueblew]

22. Good Info

I know Kerry is against the draft.

I think he needs to repeat it over and over, no new draft, no new draft, no new draft...but also use it to stick it to Bush and his Dad.

Kind of like "Read MY Lips, no new draft. I will tell the American people the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, not like Bush and his Dad. No one will need to have his or her family pull stings to get out of military service, because there will be no new draft. Not on MY watch!"

[disneyboy]

24. He has a Plan!??

Damne, thats the first i saw of a point by pint plan to end the Draft! If he HAS one why hasnt HE <HIMSELF> said anything PUBLICLY?

[GaryL]

19. Good kiddies!

Sit on your ass and don't vote and end up sitting on your ass in some foreign desert getting shot at. My sister believes that the young voters today will vote in large numbers because of the prospect of going to war AND the fucked up economy. My take is I'll believe it when I see it. Of course, everyone who watches MTV IS stupid so you can't take anything away from a poll of theirs.