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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:19 AM
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Kerry's Wife Calls Bush Inflexible
By EMILY FREDRIX, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Teresa Heinz Kerry said Monday that President Bush (news - web sites) is unwilling to change, a character flaw that shows "inattention and indifference" rather than strength.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=5&u=/ap/20040914/ap_on_el_pr/heinz_kerry_1


YES! we've got to keep this up! what's so great about sticking to your guns when your guns are WRONG???
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:26 AM
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1. Reckless + Stubborn + Ignorant does not = Decisive n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:51 AM
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2. Or "resolute" ...
... or any other pretty way they try to spin it.

Your words are more accurate...

    Stubborn

    Ignorant

    Reckless


SIR Boosh, I loathe thee.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:44 PM
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:07 PM
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3. You know what's scary? He fits the abuser pattern.
I was reading Dear Abby today, and there was a letter from an abused wife who gave a list of the warning signs her husband displayed over the years. They included: he was never sorry, he was never wrong, and he blamed her. Sound familiar?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:31 PM
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11. There's no question DimSon is a sociopath. That's not hyperbole.
He's a sicko.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:06 PM
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14. someone on a previous post referred to Bush as a dry drunk
I didn't know what that meant so I asked Jeeves and here is what he told me:

Dry drunk" is a term describing the state of the alcoholic who is uncomfortable when he is not drinking. The "dry drunk syndrome" is a group of symptoms that occur together and constitute an abnormality.

Since the abnormality of the alcoholic's attitudes and behavior during his drinking career is generally recognized, the persistence of these traits after the alcoholic stops drinking might seem equally abnormal. Therefore, the term "dry-drunk" alludes to the absence of favorable change in the attitudes and behavior of the alcoholic who is not drinking.

"Dry Drunk" Traits:

Grandiose behavior
Pomposity
Exaggerated self-importance
A rigidly judgmental outlook
Impatience
Childish behavior
Irresponsible behavior
Irrational rationalization
Projection
Overreaction

Uh, sound familiar.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:15 PM
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4. 4-year-olds who sit alone at the table glaring at their uneaten spinach
have moral resolve, too.

:headbang:
rocknation
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:20 PM
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6. kick lov Mama T
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:19 PM
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5. I'd be embarrassed to be a Cheney/Bush supporter, how idiotic do
you have to be to not see how Cheney/Bush are destroying this country to stay their own agenda, not course. Teresa is a very smart person.
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:52 PM
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7. Teresa should avoid this kind of remark.
She's not the candidate nor does she speak for him. Of course she has a right to say anything she wants, but this isn't smart.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:00 PM
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8. LOL...just like "pickles" keeping her piehole shut
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:06 PM
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9. Oh, I guess we should go back to.....
women keeping their opinions to themselves. We heard that sort of rhetoric when President Clinton was running - how Hillary should not be involved. Please, let's not become like them - we'd end up with another robotic stepford wife like Laura.
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:12 PM
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10. I think you misunderstood.
I wasn't talking about women in general. Just candidates wives. I would feel the same way if a woman candidate's husband got into the act and criticized her opponent. He would be acting within his rights, but it would be inappropriate.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:56 PM
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13. Well, I guess we're going to have to respectfully disagree.....
on this one. You should not have to change who you are just because you're a candidates wife. When women are told what "appropriate" behavior is with regards to their husband's career, it is always wrong. A woman should never "sell her soul" to fit some preconceived notion of what is expected of her. John Kerry should be judged by his words/actions; Teresa Heinz Kerry should be judged by her words/actions, but never should you judge someone by their spouse's words/actions.
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:12 PM
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16. The problem is that the candidate's spouse is not the choice of the party.
The spouse just happens to be married to the candidate. So the spouse only has the authority to speak for himself or herself, yet the spouse's remarks are taken by the public to represent the candidate and the party.

That's what's inappropriate about it. And, to repeat, this would be true whether the spouse was a man or a woman. And it would be true after the election, too. Nobody elected the spouse.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:28 PM
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17. "...yet the spouse's remarks are taken by the public to represent
the candidate and the party."

Well, that indicates that "the public" is fairly stupid then.
Not that the media would have anything to do with this "public" perception..."Kerry's Wife Calls Bush Inflexible":wtf:

They call her "Kerry's Wife" in the headline? Maybe Pickles Bush has no identity of her own, but "Kerry's Wife" certainly does.
Teresa Heinz Kerry is quite adept at handling her own affairs and appropriately offers carefully considered and valuable opinions of her own.
No one has a right to silence her and dismiss her as "Kerry's Wife".

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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:00 PM
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18. That's the problem.
The only reason why Teresa Kerry is a public figure is that she is married to John Kerry. Otherwise the public would not care what she thought.

But she has not been elected or selected by the Democratic Party to speak publicly on any issues.

What she says privately is her own business.

And I would say this about the spouse of any candidate or public official, regardless of whether it is a man or a woman.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:03 PM
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20. Bullshit! Teresa Heinz has been a public figure for many years
and she was instrumental in health care reform in Pennsylvania.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:26 PM
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22. The only reason why Teresa Kerry is a public figure is that she is married
to John Kerry? Hate to disagree during the busy part of my day but that's just plain wrong.
Go here... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/
and here... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/philanthropy.html
and here... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/environment.html
and here... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/women.html
and here... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/heinz_awards.html
and here... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/citizen.html
and here... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/leader.html

In short, get to know the next First Lady a little better before you endeavor to cut her down.

"But she has not been elected or selected by the Democratic Party to speak publicly on any issues."
She has been selected by the Kerry campaign to speak publicly, and that's good enough for me...oughta be good enough for anybody.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:44 PM
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24. So, by that reasoning....
Bill Clinton should not have any opinions that are public. He should just keep his opinions to himself. No, sir, you are wrong. This is a democracy with freedom of speech, and we all have the right to make our opinions known publicly!
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:13 PM
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21. Wrong....she's appealing to the women vote
Inflexible, won't listen to reason, stubborn...Bush sounds like a great Resident and husband.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:44 PM
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23. You should avoid THIS kind of remark!
LOL! Thersa is a surrogate for Kerry. She does speak for him as well as herself. Kerry would be wise to follow her lead.He should be more outspoken.She as well as Elizabeth know their spouses and unlike robowife are capable of defining their positions.If you ever get the cahance to hear either of them speak, grab it! You will leave will the impression we would do well to replace the Johns with their wives. They are that good! BTW, Many people voted for John because of the first lady the't get in Theresa,so I wouldn't be calling her "not smart" It is offensive to a lot of Kerry voters!
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:38 PM
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26. No, I stand by my remark. I'm right. My critics are attacking a straw man.
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 11:42 PM by demoman123
This is being treated as a feminist issue, when it is not. It is an issue about spouses of candidates and public officials.

Teresa Kerry may have had some minor public exposure in the past, but she was never, ever, national news. Now the press hangs on her every word, and the only reason for this is the candidacy of her husband.

Some of her statements have been embarrassing to Kerry and the campaign, e.g., her remark that opponents of his health plan--which, by the way, is a warmed over version of the Republican alternative to Hillary's health plan--are "idiots."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-09-heinz-kerry-health-care_x.htm

If I were the husband of a political candidate, I would never use her limelight to make public pronouncements. Just because I am married to her does not give me the authority to speak for the party that nominated her.

And there is no analogy between Bill Clinton and Teresa Kerry at the present time. If and when Hillary runs for Senate again in NY, however, I think Bill should keep his mouth shut and not take positions on the issues in her campaign. He's the hubby, not the candidate.
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:51 PM
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27. n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 11:52 PM by demoman123
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:11 PM
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15. How do 'ya straighten out a crooked crook?
" But along with the ability to decide comes stubbornness, many believe. Bush is considered stubborn by 75 percent of the people polled, Kerry 39 percent."
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:02 PM
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19. What a sexist headline!
Teresa Heinz has been an icon in philanthropy long before she married the junior Senator from Massachusetts. How come she is now referred to as "Kerry's wife" as if she was a piece of property? How would it sound if the headline read "Teresa's husband speaks about Medicare"?

Teresa is the biggest asset that Kerry has, we should be seeing and hearing more of her, not less.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 05:29 PM
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25. Conunists love guys with personality disorders--it proves their resolve
Inflexible...stubborn..indifference...These traits fit the profile of an excuse for a man with a PERSONALITY DISORDER, especially Narcissistic and/or Antisocial Personality Disorder.

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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:55 PM
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28. We're here to win, not make a feminist statement.
I really think she should stay out of this fight. I'm sure she's a great lady but I suspect she's got the alienation potential for normal white males that Hillary does. :)

Flame Bait

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:57 PM
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29. Character
It's the apparent buzz word. Dean was using it today on Minnesota Public Radio.
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