CBS UPDATE ON BUSH RECORDS>>>>>>>>> NOW 6:40p EDT

[ulTRAX]

In case you missed it. Nothing new. They are maintaining there's no credible evidence the documents are not genuine. Yawn.

But this is troubling. Rush was reporting that CBS has NOT seen the originals. Anyone know anything on this?

[mhr]

1. Details Please?

eom

[redstateblues]

2. Standing Firm- more expert analysis

Asking the white house the questions

[redstateblues]

The White House Dodged answering the questions- big surprise

[AlCzervik]

5. Did they say they have any additionial evidence? n/t

[mahatmakanejeeves]

51. and just to make sure no one forgets...

those questions are:

1. Did Lt. Bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer?

2. Was Lt. Bush suspended for failure to perform up to Texas Air National Guard standards?

3. Did Lt. Bush ever take the physical he was required and ordered to take, and if not, why not?

4. Did Lt. Bush complete his Guard commitments?

[dweller]

3. talking about suspension from flying

USA Today also validates suspension...

Geeks also speaking about fonts, superscripts, proportional spacing alll available during 70's.

still no word from WH. . .




heheh.
dp

[goodboy]

4. They're not backing down I hope...say it ain't so...eom

[redstateblues]

7. They stand by their belief that the docs are true

[Rockholm]

6. WTG CBS...Keep Up The Pressure!

Excellent DIRECT questions to the White House.....Finally!!!!

[redstateblues]

10. They must keep asking- beat it like a drum

[still_one]

8. DO NOT BELIEVE ANY THING THAT LIMBAUGH SAYS!!!

[karlrschneider]

9. Memo dates match "official" docs, would be a PITA to disable "th"

superscript in MS Word, other experts consulted, I was gonna tape it and couldn't find a damn tape in time. :grr:

[gratuitous]

18. Disabling superscript "th" is easy

Three clicks and you're done. Of course, you have to know where to make those three clicks.

[fob]

30. The "th" is the one place that makes the forgery thing full of shit.

The "th" in MS Word get's placed automatically at the same place EVERY TIME, yet in the memo shown the "th" is WAAAYYYY above where it is defaulted to when done on today's computers. You CAN NOT get the MS Word version to appear like in the memos WITHOUT some sort of manipulation. On those "overlaid" examples the "th" never lines up, and for anyone to say they are "similar enough" is fulll of shit.

[krkaufman]

FYI... the forgery spin is that the superscripted-th aligns...

... correctly when the MS Word doc is printed.

Still BS, though. Docs are authentic.

[camo]

50. why the TH does not line up

you are very correct, however the answer to the riddle lays in the fact that printers use a diffrent print driver that your moniter. if you print out the document you create in word and then overlay it against the CBS doc it will unfournetly line up exactly.

try this:

1.print out the cbs doc
2 print out your own version created in ms word on a sheet of clear print medium.
3. put the two together and they align exactly.

[struggle4progress]

39. How much of a PITA it is to disable "th" superscripts for ordinals ...

... may depend on which version of MS word one has.

In my version, you go to the "Tools" menu, click "AutoCorrect Options", select either the "AutoFormat" or "AutoFormat As You Type" tab (as appropriate), and then uncheck the box beside "Ordinals (1st) with superscript." Finding out how to do this (and checking that I was doing the right thing) took me about a minute; now that I know how to do it, the process takes about ten seconds. I know that some people may have short attention spans, but a minute and a half to learn how to do something, and to practice doing it and undoing it several times to make sure one knows how, doesn't rate very high on my list of PITAs. Overall, I'd have to say that many of the "experts" I've heard from on either side of this story don't much impress me.

But all this technical jabbering has certainly blown the Boston Globe story and Texans for Truth off the front pages, hasn't it? So corporate America racks up additional points for Bush, by diverting attention to a story that makes almost every normal person's eyes glaze over.

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[alcuno]

11. "Rush was reporting..."

Now there's an oxymoron.

[KennedyGuy]

12. They are NOT backing down

They provided a couple more experts that said not only were all the disputed features availiable at the time, but also that several things on the memos would not be possible to re-create on todays computers. Something about using a lowercase "L" as the number 1 in the date. They also requested that the White house specifically answer the questiond raised by the memos. White house replies that it answered all questions already and shrub recieved an honorable discharge. CBS is NOT backing down.

[TankLV]

25. I forgot about the lower case "l" used for a numeral "one"!

Thanks for reminding me!

Used to do that too!

[fearnobush]

41. When White house replies with no denial - no can back down.

White house replies that it answered all questions already and shrub recieved an honorable discharge. Basically, they are full of shit. looks like Rather is holding back on something big.

[0007]

47. Ah yes! Dan baby has an "ACE in the hole" and he's setting the Whore

House up for an old fashion screwing.

Who in the White House has any creditability? "They've answered all questions"

[BlueNomad]

13. brilliant...

I think---one of you Einsteins with a better memory than mine needs to post the four questions they asked the White House today and which the white house refused to answer except to say he had an honorable discharge....the questions sounded like a number of good ones I heard from the DUers... I am happy Rather did not back down...The fact is this will proabbly be picked up by our local Washington Post and other papers as some have been waiting for Dan to respond....

[starroute]

32. I think I can remember most of them

The first was whether anyone put pressure on Ben Barnes to get Bush Jr. into the Guard.

I think the second was whether Bush refused a direct order in not taking his physical and the third was whether he was suspending from flying for failing to meet requirements.

The fourth was whether or not Bush fulfilled his commitment to the Guard -- clearly with reference to his not registering when he went off to Boston.

[goodboy]

14. If this gets bigger, expect a visit from Tom Ridge...eom

[stanwyck]

15. It's a good thing

keeping this story alive. Even if the Bushies keep touting the forgery lie. Just keeping the story out there brings more attention. We know the truth. The Kool-Aid drinkers won't ever waver. So, this story now reaches the squishy middle. And they're going to be suspicious. Of everyone. But the memory of the story will remain. And every soldier will wonder...did Bush fail to complete his training? Why did he miss his ordered physical? Keeping the story alive is good. Maybe we won't hear Daryn Kagan (Rush's new squeeze)refer to Bush as a Viet Nam fighter pilot again. That is, if she's paying attention.

[dweller]

22. Every soldier?

if only...
dp

[joefree1]

16. Look out, MediaMatters.org is on the case

Safire distorted, omitted facts to discredit CBS memos

New York Times columnist and former Nixon speechwriter William Safire's September 13 column alleged that controversial memos revealed by CBS's 60 Minutes on September 8 "have all the earmarks of forgery." But the column -- titled "Those Discredited Memos" -- is rife with misleading claims and outright distortions.

Implying that CBS's analysis of the documents lacks credibility since the network lacks the original documents, Safire referred in the second sentence of his column to "he copies of copies of copies that formed the basis for the latest charges." But, in fact, a September 11 Los Angeles Times article -- to which Safire himself referred later in the column -- reported that a "CBS official who spoke on condition of anonymity" said the documents "were copies of the originals." (In any case, if lack of original documents undermines CBS's analysis, then typographical judgments about them by CBS's critics are even less credible, since these critics apparently have access only to scanned PDF copies of the documents posted on the CBS website.)

More ...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409130006


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[steely]

17. Last Friday evening - I think it was - Dan said CBS was attacked.

I hope he (and CBS) doesn't (don't) back down.
It'd be cool if they had more up their sleeve.

it's nice to see more asking questions too.
Shrub can't ban all of the reporters from the corps.

[Career Prole]

19. What I do know is that Pigboy Limpaugh reports nothing.

He merely says shit on the air and counts on "word of mouth, minus assist from brain" to spread the word as though it were gospel.
He's made a career of it yet still people say "But Rush said..."

[Gin]

43. Rush isn't a reporter...he is a repeater!....his head is empty of original

thoughts.

[leeman67]

20. Rush is a proven goddamn liar.

he'll say absolutely anything to discredit the Democrats and defend the GOP. If the GOP changed their platform tomorrow to say "The Earth is Flat", Rush spend 4 hours the next day saying it's true and here's why. Remember that he once referred to himself as only an "entertainer" when someone (I believe it was FAIR) actually nailed him about his lies.

[AlinPA]

21. Tonight's report by Rather cannot be good for Bush*. I have not been

following the details and it looked very convincing to me. Trouble is, media (not CBS) is hung up on the details of the text preparation rather than the content. Smokesceen as usual.

[GOPAgainstGW]

23. HERE’S “INSIDE SKINNY” ON THE RATHER-BUSH/GOP SMACKDOWN!

Dan Rather is a Texas native. He was born and raised outside Houston and then after completing college, cut his television journalist teeth at a National network station in Houston.

He took on the Bush Family "Texas Mafia"(BFTM) several times in the early 70's, and this current situation is more of the "blood feud" between he and H.W. Bush. Dan Rather is very solid, a real pro, first-class credibility (unlike those flake GOP-ops reporters at Fox), and will NOT back down from a deal that he knows he is right. I/we have never seen Dan do it once in 35 years!

The Bush Family Texas Mafia (BFTM) tries to destroy anyone that takes them on, hell just look at their damn track record. You all know this!

More importantly, we will make some phone calls on this deal, and in particular if CBS “60 Minutes” has something cooking to bag the BFTM on several matters we are aware. We keep hearing "little things" on this subject, plus the Washington Post has been digging on this next deal for over a year.

It has to do with the Bush Family corruption, documents the Fed accidentally discovered at Enron (which was a Bush Family business "front operation"), and Bush's "War Dog" House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Houston) being under a massive Texas criminal grand jury investigation, for fraud, bribery, extortion, money laundering, and criminal abuse of his political office.

The big kicker is Bob “$200,000 donor to O’Neill’s SBVT” Perry (Houston) is involved with DeLay in his criminal enterprise and we mean BIG TIME! Also eleven (11) other BFTM members are involved, in varying degree, including the Texas Governor and other ranking elected State officials, and many of them could go to jail over this deal.

The BFTM is doing everything possible to keep the lid on it, and also get W elected. BFTM needs W elected so he can do Presidential Pardons for BFTM Enron buddies, (Ken Lay), DeLay, Perry, and others that get convicted and sent to prison over this massive criminal enterprise.

That in a nutshell is what’s going on with all the Bush-Cheney-GOP totally outright fraud in their campaign. They don’t have a platform to run on, so the con and fraud game is all they got!

They are going nuts because Rather stuck his nose in it. If you recall Dan Rather has stayed pretty neutral in his reporting on the O’Neill-SBVT fraud scam. We know, what I just delineated, because we are well connected Republicans, have several influential Houstonians in our “Beat Bush” cartel, along with two Houston criminal attorney’s – NKR

PS: It should be noted that CBS is owned by Viacom. 70-75% of campaign donations by Viacom (VIA) executives and its political action committee, have gone to the Democratic Party and its candidates. Just some interest info, nothing else.

PS1: All the Bush NG AWOL stuff is also in Kitty Kelly’s new book out tomorrow.

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[Eloriel]

44. Music to my ears -- sure hope you're right. Please keep us

updated.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. Oh, come on!! Do you honestly believe CBS would go public...

...on an issue like this without having seen the original documents!?!?

Why do you believe Rush on ANY issue??

[Qutzupalotl]

36. Dan said on Friday that all they had were copies.

Rush is factually correct for once, but as usual is trying to insinuate and raise doubts wherever he can. Fortunately, CBS has fully vetted these and is staking their reputation on this story. That sends a strong message. Bush likely defied a direct order. His "honorable discharge" doesn't prove anything, since his father was a diplomat and well-connected.

[Merlin]

26. If we ever come out on the other side of this thing, we must remember CBS

and Rather. They're the ones who -- at long freaking last -- finaly stepped up to the plate. They deserve at least the Joseph Welsh award for finally saying the right thing at the right time to these fascists in the WH.

[REVOLT823]

27. Rush? As in Limbaugh? Consider the source!!:)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. Rush reporting??? ROFL

[Individualist]

29. "has not seen the originals"

is a failed smokescreen just as is the meme "it's a Rove plant". The cultists desperately keep repeating these as if they think someone's actually going to believe them.

[BlueNomad]

31. ...6 minute slamdunk

<http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=eveningnews>

Well I just went back and played that video and clocking in at almost 6 minutes I would say that's an in your face stick of dynamite to the White House. The cable news whores and the bloggers can spin it anyway they want--it does not look good for BUSH and it is time spent talking about it....My fantasy dream is to have someone at the next Scott McCellan press conference ask a few of those CBS rather questions .... that and a cocaine one...

[bobbyboucher]

35. Do you remember Helen Thomas working on Scotty

about a month ago? It was a a press conference and she kept asking him if he had any knowlege of Bush doing community service during the summer of '72. She asked him a couple or three times. I was wondering about it because it wasn't on topic at all. Nobody else was asking anything remotely resembling it.

I think she wanted to get his sorry ass on the record. I can't remember if she did, but he did squirm like the snake he is.

[trueblew]

33. Selectra

Is it too much to ask one of the mega-billion dollar media corps to obtain an IBM Selectra (plus a handful of type-balls) and reproduce the documents to "definitively" see if the documents could be produced on that typewriter?

One of these typewriters sold today on eBay for $24.95.

Of course Bush could clear all this up by stating he was never given such an order, but he'd be lying again.

[bobbyboucher]

37. They're real, don't fret.

This is just the beginning.

[Individualist]

38. Duh!

Its Selectric, not "Selectra". The authenticity of the documents has been proven; deal with it!

[trueblew]

45. Selectrics are easier to find on Ebay ...

than Selectras, my bad. I still believe these docs are real, just like Kerry's docs.

[Individualist]

46. "like Kerry's docs"?

Care to elaborate?

[bloom]

40. I think it was on NPR the other day

where someone was saying like the IBM's that could do this were soooo expensive and difficult. My dad had one in his little office and he's as frugal as they come - so I would tend not to believe it.

[stepnw1f]

34. Rush Limpballs (nt)

[Emillereid]

42. I just watched the Bush/records report online at CBSnews.com and I

thought it was great -- not only did Rather stand behind the documents and soundly refute the naysayers, but the part about the WH not answering questions directly was good too.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=i_video&clip=/media/2004/09/13/video643230&sec=201&vidId=201&title=Bush$@$Military$@$Debate$@$Goes$@$On&hitboxMLC=national

[Oilwellian]

48. A Retired Army Col. analyzed Bush's military record

It's in PDF form....very meticulous....very damning.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf

[alarcojon]

49. Kick

for a great laugh line: Rush was reporting.

:kick:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

52. Pacific Northwest-- The local rw hacks on the radio are

pounding this "forgery" meme to the base. Although I'm 95% sure of their authenticity and 100% sure of the subject matter...CBS needs to be vindicated in order to put the truth to the lie.

This is a big story re: the "liberal" media. This needs to blow up in the rw face.

[JDPriestly]

53. Surely the originals are or were in government files.

CBS could go look at them if they still exist. Could the files, however, be only available on microfiche?

[Julian English]

54. CBS again defends documents

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/politics/campaign/14guard.html

The buried lead (last 4 paragraphs):

Richard Katz, a computer software expert in Los Angeles who was featured on the "Evening News" segment, said in an interview that he had called his local affiliate, KCBS, after looking at the memos on the CBS Web site after the initial broadcast, when some experts were saying that the memos looked as if they had been composed using the Times New Roman font in Microsoft Word.

Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents. "It doesn't look like you can do this very easily," he said. "If you use something like Photoshop you could come close to faking it, but why not just go out and buy a Selectric for $75?"

Bill Glennon, a technology consultant and I.B.M. typewriter specialist who had posted his thoughts on the memos on a blog and was quoted over the weekend in publications including The New York Times, said CBS called him Monday morning. The producer asked him to come in and look at the memorandums and say whether he thought that an I.B.M. typewriter could have produced the documents. He said he was initially leery of talking. "Because quite honestly there's some people out there, they're scary," he said. "You don't agree with them, you offer opinions that don't jibe with theirs and you get a target on your back."

Mr. Glennon was in charge of service for 1,000 contracts for I.B.M. typewriters for 15 years, starting in late 1972, around the time the memorandums were produced. He spent 15 minutes with the CBS documents, he said, and believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M.