'Fahrenheit 9/11' Maker's UA Talk Has Campus Republicans Hot

[WillyT]

<snip>

Filmmaker Michael Moore is bringing his controversial rant against President Bush to the University of Arizona. And the plan to bring in a costly, left-leaning speaker isn't going over well with campus Republicans.

The outspoken movie maker, whose film "Fahrenheit 9/11" has been a box-office smash and raised conservative hackles this campaign season, will speak at UA's McKale Center on Oct. 11 as part of the Associated Students of the University of Arizona Speaker's series.

And...

"We strongly support congressman Kolbe, but the issue is that they're paying $27,500 for Michael Moore to come and they're not paying Jim Kolbe to come," he said. Ascencio said Moore normally is paid $40,000 for speaking.

Efforts to bring marquee conservative speakers to UA have proven too costly, Ascencio said, noting that Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly's price tag was $100,000 and Hannity's, $60,000.

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Link: http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/breaking/092304moore.html

Maybe that's why Kerry is pulling his ad buys from Arizona, LOL!!!

:shrug:

[Wickerman]

1. So they have had Hannity and O'Really, but they whine about Moore?

fuck 'em.

[WillyT]

2. Sounded Like They Couldn't Afford Those Two !!!

Which is par for the rePuke course!

:shrug:

[mac56]

3. WAAAAAAAHHH!!!

"We have talked numerous times to student senators about bringing on (conservative) speakers like Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity, and we've been told time and again that they won't pay to bring partisan political speakers here," said Pete Seat, a UA senior and state chairman of the College Republicans. "Now here comes Michael Moore."

:eyes:

[SoCalDem]

4. Truth be told, MM would probably do it for FREE..just to irritate

the hell out of those uptight Stepfords-in-training:)

[wryter2000]

7. He is doing it on the cheap

For pity's sake, Moore's normal fee is less than half what O'Really charges, and he's lowered it for them. And these panty-waists are whining? Why don't they whine to Hannity and see what it gets them?

As far as a Congressman, if the University is in his district, why should he be paid?

Morans.

[SoCalDem]

15. I don't think that sitting congresspeople or senators should EVER

be paid to speak at constituents' gatherings... I object strenuously to having to PAY to hear what your EMPLOYEES are doing..

[TexasBushwhacker]

21. No kidding

If they want to bitch, they should bitch at Hannity and O'Reilly (and Coulter, and the rest) for charging so damn much to appear at a UNIVERSITY! Most speakers will give a discount, as Michael Moore has done.

[Character Assassin]

42. That MM's not speaking gratis really supports that he's a man of principle

Oh, wait a minute.... No it doesn't.

Golly, what an unexpected let-down.

[Zorra]

5. Let them whine, it is time to start telling all republicans to just shove

it.

Republicans are a tiny minority of Americans that aggressively try to force their ludicrous, twisted beliefs and ways on the rest of us.

Fuck republicans, they are the shittiest people in the United States.

Ignore them.

[Joanne98]

27. I second that. FUCK YOU HITLER YOUTH!

go jump in the lake you little SCUM BAGS before you get your racist, fascist asses KICKED. if you don't like it, you back to your BIBLE COLLEGES. You're hated and dispised the world over. NOBODY wants to hear anything you dirtbags have to say....

[WillyT]

33. I Think I'm In Love !!!

LOL!!!

:loveya:

[Character Assassin]

43. Got brain?

NOBODY wants to hear anything you dirtbags have to say....

Frau Goebbels, ich frage mich gleich ob Sie Irgendwas Anderes Bedeutungslos zu sagen haetten?

Speaking of asses being kicked, don't let the assumptions you make get to yours.

[ThomCat]

6. Who the F*ck would pay $100k to hear O'Reilly?

And what the hell could he say that's worth that kind of money?

:wtf:

[wryter2000]

8. Maybe they ought to have a book reading and signing

Have him read some of the lurid passages from his "novel" and sign copies. Then, maybe he'd do it for free.

[RandomKoolzip]

9. "SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! Cut his mike....."

I think that's worth AT LEAST a hunnerd grand, don't you?

[illuminaughty]

36. He would say

SHUT UP! at $50,000 a word.

[Flammable Materials]

39. As long as he prices himself out of the market, who gives a fuck?

Bill O'Reilly can suck a tailpipe.

[Enraged_Ape]

40. No kidding. You'd think Republicans never heard of the free market...

economy.

Bunch of whining babies. Is there a Republican ANYWHERE that has any fucking guts?

[AZCat]

10. This is such bullshit. That nutjob Hardy is speaking 4 days before him

Not All UA Eager for Michael Moore (AZ Daily Star)

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ASUA is strictly nonpartisan, Ascencio said. As evidence, he noted that David T. Hardy, author of "Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man," will speak on campus Oct. 7 - two days after "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on DVD.
</snip>

So having someone there who has written a book EXPRESSLY about Michael Moore isn't enough balance?

On Edit: Added some links to articles in the local weekly (Tucson Weekly) about David Hardy.

Less is Moore: Tucson Lawyer David Hardy tries To lambaste Michael Moore- and fails

Moore or Less: Meet Michael Moore's worst enemy: Tucson lawyer David Hardy

[fudge stripe cookays]

11. Michael Moore has said himself....

He's not partisan. He's not even a Democrat.

He just hates Bush. There's a difference.
FSC

[Ducks In A Row]

22. And he'll be as tough on President Kerry

equal opportunity tough

[fudge stripe cookays]

23. As should all of us.

If we can manage to reclaim our government, we never want to let things get this screwed up ever again!

FSC

[Ducks In A Row]

24. I plan to keep a close eye on the dude

As much as I hate Bush, I really don't completely trust Kerry. I wanted Dean, but I want Bush out more.

[fudge stripe cookays]

29. I'm with ya Ducks.

I'm a Deaniac who was in Iowa in January and saw the crap that got pulled. Still makes me angry.

But like you said, I want Bush out more.
FSC

[Columbia]

44. Actually, he is indeed a Democrat

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore1.html

[flowomo]

12. Michael Moore coming to Dickinson College

in Carlisle, PA, where I teach, on Oct. 5. The "balancing" act here is going to be Jonah Goldberg some weeks later. College officials are pretty uptight about security for Moore, and they have received some hostile reaction from the community (heavily Republican) but the college president is standing firm. I wrote my weekly newspaper column about all this, if anyone is interested:

www.cumberlink.com/articles/2004/09/23/editorial/rich_lewis/lewis02.txt

If anyone want to e-mail the president to comment on his stance, his address is [e-mail]

Moore visit appropriate for college
By Rich Lewis, September 2, 2004

When listening to Bill Durden, you sometimes get the feeling he was born in the wrong century.
Not that he's doing so badly in the 21st, firmly settled into the prestigious position of president of Dickinson College.
Still, Durden's undisguised passion for old-fashioned civic virtues suggests he would have been quite comfortable wearing breeches and penning proclamations alongside the American revolutionaries of the 18th century — figures he openly admires, and some of whom were instrumental in establishing, in 1783, the college he has headed since 1999.
When Durden talks about things like political involvement, community service and individual liberties and responsibilities, you find few traces of the weary cynicism and dismissive irony so characteristic of "post-modern" culture, including academic culture. He takes it all very seriously — and gets visibly upset when he suspects others are not.
I got a good dose of that indignation this week when we talked about local reaction to the news that Michael Moore has accepted an invitation to speak on campus in October.
Durden is disturbed that a number of people immediately called to condemn the college for inviting the film-maker and writer, whose documentary attacking the Bush administration's war on Iraq, "Fahrenheit 9/11," became an international sensation.
"These are simply vicious calls," Durden says. "The anger is so visceral, and so against the American principle of free speech. But these are people who are clearly uninformed about basic American principles."
One comment came from a woman he encountered at the Carlisle Farmer's Market, where he was chatting about the Moore visit with a group of Dickinson students selling produce from the college's organic garden.
"She overheard us talking and said to me, 'My husband is outraged, simply incensed. He is a veteran and can't believe the college is doing this.'"
Durden was "baffled" by the remark.
"Having worn the uniform" as a member of ROTC while student at Dickinson in the late 1960s, and as an officer in the reserves for eight years, he asks: "What do we assume the people who fought in our wars were fighting for? It was for freedom of speech and all our other principles.
Durden is "just stunned" by the wave of hostile comments because they reveal a "misunderstanding of why America was founded and what we are fighting for. And if people believe we are fighting for one political party, we are in trouble."
Frankly, I assumed the college expected to get bashed from the right on this one. To many conservatives, Moore is the devil himself.
But Durden claims he didn't see it coming.
"No, we didn't anticipate it. We believe this is a mature community."
Moore's visit is part of Durden's larger campaign to get Dickinson students involved in the political process in a year he believes will shape the country's future.
"We are very concerned about students getting engaged and Moore is raising issues and engaging conversation in a good way," he says.
Though he didn't find "Fahrenheit 9/11" to be "a particularly good film," it "provoked me to think." He recognizes that Moore isn't "particularly fair at all times" and takes what he has to say "with a grain of salt."
Still, Moore is "catching the imagination of the people" and thus is a catalyst for action.
Durden is also a bit stung that anyone would wonder why such a huge celebrity would want to visit here. He notes that even the student newspaper, The Dickinsonian, "starts off its story about Moore by asking how did a little college like Dickinson get this national star?"
To which he replies: "Why not? We are a national college. Carlisle is an interesting community. Why do we have all this self-doubt?"
Durden says that some who are criticizing the college for inviting Moore seem not to have noticed that a conservative commentator, Jonah Goldberg, will speak on campus later that month, a point made prominently in The Sentinel's Aug. 27 story that broke the news that Moore is coming.
"The assumption some people are making is that we wouldn't be sharp enough to have a balanced opinion. There was an assumption of guilt against the school."
Truth be told, Goldberg, the editor of National Review Online — and the son of Lucianne Goldberg, the publicist and Clinton-hater who famously egged Linda Tripp into recording her chats with Monica Lewinsky — is only a middle-of-the-order hitter among talking heads. He is clearly not in the same league with Moore. Then again, who is at the moment?
The notorious Ann Coulter was on the college's short list of possible invitees (that would have been a hoot), but Durden says the Goldberg-Moore pairing is better because Goldberg covered the Democratic convention for USA Today and Moore is covering the Republican convention for the same paper.
I somewhat disingenuously asked Durden whether the hostile feedback had caused him to doubt the wisdom of inviting Moore — not to find out the answer, which I knew, but for the pleasure of hearing him express it.
"Are you kidding?" he almost shouted. "No way! This is what we stand for. We were founded for this. This is freedom of speech and our educational responsibility."
He also acknowledged that more trouble might be on the way insofar as word of Moore's visit probably hasn't reached many of Dickinson's far-flung alumni.
"I would expect that a lot of them aren't going to be happy," he mused. "But if they've had a Dickinson education, they should be able to handle it."

Rich Lewis is a part-time instructor at Dickinson College. His e-mail address is [e-mail]

[stevedeshazer]

26. Good piece

Thanks for posting it.

[Bandit]

13. Evidently these Republicans think O'Reily is a LIAR also

O'Reily says he is not a Conservative but an Independent. Republicans are calling him a Conservative so they obviously don't believe O'Reily.

[Hamlette]

14. Possible fall out from Michael's scheduled appearance in Utah

MM is speaking Oct 20 at a state university campus in Utah County (aka mormon country). Conservatives are pissed. Some nut case (I've heard its the prez of our state senate but can't confirm) has introduced legislation to get rid of student fees (paid by the students to support stuff like this) because of it.

They can give it but they can't take it. After 8 long years of Clinton is a murderer, with no proof. Now they won't allow a movie that is accurate.

[sadiesworld]

16. They're upset b/c the university won't pay a politician to

speak to his own constituents?

Jeez, where have I been? :shrug:

[Supersedeas]

17. Only those who take a Bush Loyalty oath are acceptable as campus speakers

[LSK]

18. those republican students will have more to worry about later

Like finding a job!

[WillyT]

20. Or Getting Drafted !!!

:shrug:

[Joanne98]

28. Send the little Nazis to Iraq. WITHOUT BODY ARMOR!!!!!!

[Kali]

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[rene moon]

25. As a Tucsonan, I think this is funny

This guy Pete Seat of the UA College Republicans, is a whiner. He and his little band of Repubs protest every single Dem event we have!

The UA couldnt pay Rep. Kolbe anyway and besides, Rep. Grijalva represents the UA--it's in his district!

ARGH!!!

[Eye and Monkey]

35. "widely known that he was a socialist, and he forced people to do things"

said Pete about naming the Econ Building after Cesar Chavez.
http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/97/5/01_6.html
comment: "things"? can you define "things"? Pete?

Pete, in what he calls "the money shot".

[truthisfreedom]

30. the difference being, Moore tells the truth AND he works cheap!

woohoo! go michael moore!

[bamacrat]

31. i wish

hed bring it here to the real UA (University of Alabama) we need to piss off these little shit around here.

[leesa]

32. Couldn't they just plug their ears and blow rasberries so they

don't have to hear it?

FUNNY! These creatures are so pathetic!

[WillyT]

34. Kickin For The Fun Of It !!!

:kick:

[Flammable Materials]

37. Start calling them what they are: CRYBABIES.

Spoiled freaking infants.

It's not enough that they OWN the country, they have to throw a tantrum whenever anyone has something to say that they don't like.

I've had enough of this childish bullshit.

It's time to lock them in their rooms and let them throw their little tantrum where we don't have to see or hear it.

[struggle4progress]

41. 'zactly! eom

[illuminaughty]

38. Michael Moore in Kansas City next week

Anybody in the K.C. area, heads up. This hasn't been publicized much, but he'll be at the Uptown Theatre next week. It is a little confusing concerning tickets. But it will sellout fast since it seats less than 2000.

I can't promise the following to be totally accurate since I'm known to get about 90% of everything wrong, but that still puts me ahead of the current administration.

If you go to this website and purchase "The Fahrenheit 911 Reader" you get one ticket to the event. If you purchase "Will They Ever Trust Us Again?", you receive two tickets. You can pick up the tickets as of today. Those with stamped tickets get their books autographed by authors.

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