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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:02 PM Original message |
Obama opposes gay marriage (cites religious beliefs-supports civil unions) |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's the same view my grandmother has |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. I wish Obama would take this a step further, |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's a disappointment |
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j2thaizzo (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
138. What makes you think |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. So I guess divorce is something sanctified between a man |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. I am so SICK AND TIRED of Christians and others, but it's mostly |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
218. FYI, the 50% number is a myth, it's actually about 25% |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. Quit living in the past Obama. That is social law from the year 0000? |
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WMliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. oh well, no one's perfect. n/t |
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kwolf68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. Gay Marriage is a LOSER |
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Not Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. It's called equality under the law |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
82. The time to make the change is after you've won election... |
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LondonAmerican (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:06 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. That's cowardly |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #85 |
105. Bullshit... |
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LondonAmerican (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. I'm not interested in supporting someone who's ashamed of my vote .nt |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #114 |
132. Then don't vote... |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
143. The perfect is the enemy of the good. n/t |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #143 |
192. so is the mediocore |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #82 |
159. My sentiments exactly. |
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rawstory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
103. It's times Dems took principled positions. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Sadly, the Repubs have successfully used this as a wedge issue |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. To hell with your position. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 02:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
74. Thanks for saying this, Waverley_Hills_Hiker. |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Civil rights for blacks was a fringe issue once as well. |
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j2thaizzo (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
141. I'm so tired of |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:26 AM Response to Reply #141 |
160. Don't even go there! |
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j2thaizzo (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #160 |
194. I know exactly what I'm spouting... |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #194 |
216. My 2 cents |
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American liberal (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #141 |
202. I don't agree |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
205. Maybe a fringe issue in 1800 |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 07:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
81. If you were born a few years ago you would support segregation, right? |
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LondonAmerican (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
84. It might be a 'loser' for straights |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
107. What's the big deal? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
110. Deleted message |
drmom (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
111. But we don't have the same type of legal rights... |
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Trashman (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #111 |
116. Why don't we |
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sffreeways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 05:29 AM Response to Reply #111 |
164. Another HUGE HUGE issue |
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j2thaizzo (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
139. Exactly |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
153. That's why the issue should be decided by "activist" judges.... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 04:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
163. Easy for an hetero to say that same sex marriage is a loser |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why do people ask their politicians to tell churches what to do? |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I agree completely. |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. And if you aren't religious? |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Groan |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Why would a non-religious person even care about the government defining |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. If there was the slightest chance |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
66. So pessimistic. Here's how simple it would be: |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Hmmm...maybe because marriage has nothing to do with religion |
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Roy Robertson (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I agree. Marriage is NOT a religious function in this country. |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Thanks for the agreement |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
68. So why require a ceremony to finalize marriage? |
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Roy Robertson (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 02:52 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. I don't think a ceremony IS required. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:05 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Good Post. nt |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #76 |
99. The law does require a ceremony. Every state says that a marriage requires |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #99 |
115. No, that's wrong. |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. This seems to be where people are getting confused |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Marriage is a spiritual relationship. It's not the domain of the state. |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Again you're confused |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Once again, the dictionary is not the law. But I'll submit my thesis to... |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:01 PM Response to Reply #120 |
207. Spiritual for some, gruesome for others, an arrangement for others, etc |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Google is a very useful tool. Use it. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. We were married by ELVIS while sitting in our CAR! The |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Yet the gov't made you waste your time doing that, and that guy had to get |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Actually, it was kind of fun. Balloons, strippers, etc. I think everyone |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Glad you enjoyed, because your tax money is being wasted on the bureaucrac |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. BS! It would cost the same for the state to register a civil union |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #130 |
144. No it wouldn't. The state has to keep track of the people they license |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 01:40 AM Response to Reply #144 |
212. Nonsense, your incoherent! The cost would be the same, when you send the |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #212 |
222. Deleted message |
VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #222 |
223. n/t |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 10:38 AM Response to Reply #222 |
224. n/t |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #222 |
225. As others point out, you can't be *reasoned* with! BYE! EOM! n/t |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #225 |
226. Repeat a lie enough times, and people will think it's true. |
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Scootman78 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. So so true |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. I've never seen someone claiming to be liberal so intent on expanding the |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. You might want to try reading what you Google a little more carefully |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #131 |
146. You need to read that again. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:37 AM Response to Reply #131 |
161. You might want to read what I post from Google more closely: |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 07:58 AM Response to Reply #161 |
168. Yeah, clergy do ceremonies |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 08:26 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. It's not how long it takes that matters. It's that you have to do it... |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. No ceremony is necessary |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 09:19 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. JoP doesn't process license. The registrar processes the licnese. |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. You obviously didn't read my post |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. That's what I'm telling you. They're two diferrent people. Did you read my |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. But you're presented it as a refutation of what I said |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Q: What is so magical about a JoP? Why isn't a registrar enough? |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #175 |
176. What's so magical about the Medicaid assessment agent? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Do you have to sign before Medicaid Assess officer AND a JoP? No. |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. You don't have to sign before the registrar |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #179 |
180. Well that seems like a waste of resources, eh? Why can't registrar handle |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:26 AM Response to Reply #180 |
182. Marriage confers a lot of rights |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #182 |
183. Do you need to get divorced twice? Form a corp twice? A partnership twice? |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:52 AM Response to Reply #183 |
185. As I pointed out, you don't have to do the marriage twice |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Is the JoP on duty at the Registrar's office? You have 60 days to |
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fugue (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #186 |
190. It has nothing to do with symbolism |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Then what's up with Drive-through Reverend Elvis? Why does the gov't |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #185 |
188. What's wrong with making it EASIER for people to get valuable legal rights |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #185 |
189. JoP or Rev. Elvis - who should be more insulted that gov't says other is |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #179 |
181. I wonder what JoPs get paid by taxpayers to do nothing important? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #174 |
177. A: JoP is gov't equivalent of a Vegas Elvis priest. JoP is a mockery |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
70. The dictionary isn't the law. |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #70 |
145. But it sure does help when you're trying to hold a *reasonable* discussion |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Not when you're trying to use it to foreclose thoughtfulness. |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 09:22 PM Response to Reply #149 |
206. I repeat my point and emphasize the word *reasonable* |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
219. this thread is old skool |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. I have always said, this gay marriage issue could be so |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. And a side benefit would be that a lot of same sex couples would finally |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
88. Some churches would recognize and perform gay marriage ceremonies... |
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American liberal (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
203. I like that and totally agree with you |
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UCLA Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
59. I agree. I think the government has no business trying to |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 02:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
75. Then let everyone's marriage be a civil union instead |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
89. His views are fine... |
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LondonAmerican (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
86. I have a funny feeling |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
101. And that feeling is based on what? If the gov't had civil unions... |
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RadioFlyer (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
197. Makes a Lot of Sense |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. Keyes is a nutcase |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Actually Jesus did have something to say on it - indirectly (nicolaitans) |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
53. They were also heretical idolators |
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sffreeways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 06:04 AM Response to Reply #53 |
165. Idolatry |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
93. The author of Revelation did not know Jesus |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
150. Yeah, they could *say* that ... |
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Thom Rafferty (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
204. Jesus Endorses OPPOSITE Sex Marriage DIRECTLY |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Yep... |
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kevin881 (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
12. he wont vote for a constitutional ban. hes just playing party politics. |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
17. For once, Keyes is right...Obama IS trying to have it both ways. |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Why cant one be against marriage but for equal rights? |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Its a bullshit position.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Couldn't disagree more. You need to read "The Twilight of Equality" by |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Not only that but it's what I actually believe <nm> |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
90. Exactly... |
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carpe diem (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
112. Obama injected religion... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. If the state recognizes |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Churches should issue MARRIAGE certificates to whomever they want. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Exactly |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
62. Why aren't we fighting for civil unions for everyone? |
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LondonAmerican (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
87. That's a self-answering question on the face of it |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
100. The issue here is TO WHOM do you make your arguments about equal rights. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. Marriage Is A Sacred Institution. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. ...and the government SHOULD be a secular institution. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. I completely agree. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. That will happen. I predict that between 5 and 10 years from now a... |
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n2mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. It comes down to this |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
36. WWJD |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Man and woman should be united as one, like Adam and Eve. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. He also said |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. civil unions gives them full privilleges under the law. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Yeah, "separate but equal" |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. So then why can't 3 or 4 people get married? |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. because our gov't does not recongize slavery |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You're discriminating against polygamists (nm) |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. polygamy is fine with me. nt |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I'm not aware of a "polygamy rights movement" |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
91. Strawman... |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. fine with me. as long as they are adults. |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. the only thing that .... |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Because it's too expensive if spousal rights are extended to |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
64. Because almost all of the law of marriage is about resolving differences |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. you need to go eduacate yourself about civil unions |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
65. Kerry and Edwards have said that civil unions should be recognized by |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
98. No they don't. |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. The adultery would not be there.................. |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Because Adam and Eve were bonded in marriage. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. and our gov't recognizes divorce and remarriage |
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The Chronicler (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. It's debatable. |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. one day it will be |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
92. Jesus did not write your laws. |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
148. Adam and Eve are a Middle Eastern *Myth*, nothing more |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
147. People's religious beliefs should *never* dictate public policy |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
97. LMAO.... Ain't that a nice catch 22? So, basically, all gay people are |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #37 |
151. where did He say this? |
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UCLA Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-04 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
57. I can't wait for the day when the country is more open-minded |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
60. A little disappointing, but... |
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sr_pacifica (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
61. I believe in the right of gays and lesbians to marry |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:35 AM Response to Reply #61 |
95. Good post, and I agree with you... |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #95 |
152. I don't believe gays wanted the marriage issue pushed this year, |
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gavodotcom (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
67. Supreme Court will make Gay Marriage Legal |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
96. Well said..nt |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
71. I am so glad I am not a "christian". |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
72. Disappointing. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
73. This is what is always bad for Dems. |
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despairing optimist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
77. What next? Obama supporting a flag-burning amendment? |
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geekgirl (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 06:29 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I agree with him with caveats... |
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RadioFlyer (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
198. Also Makes Sense |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
79. With 3 gays in a family of 9 children ...its PERSONAL! |
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shawn703 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
80. We should not perform gay marriages |
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GoldenOldie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
94. Ain't it great being a Liberal! |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:28 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. And thank you for continuing to share with us the lessons learned. |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:35 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. wow |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
106. Marriage Is A LEGAL Classification, Not Just A Religious One |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
108. They said the same bullshit about interracial marriages... |
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Raiden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I agree! |
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The Animator (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
113. This is a tricky situation, but they is a solution. |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:58 AM Response to Reply #113 |
154. It has *never* been an issue about forcing churches to marry gays, |
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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
117. I could care less if Obama is *personally* against gay marriage |
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Gyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
121. Obama is a smart man. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
133. If marriage is a religious concept... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #133 |
156. Every state divides marriage into two parts: (1) you get a license, and ` |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #156 |
167. Yes, it certainly should... |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
134. This is the position of the Dem. Party in its platform, I think. |
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Yuffi (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. You must not follow more than 2 office holders |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #136 |
193. Kucinich is not running for office. Arnie is not in favor of gay marriage |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #193 |
220. Kucinich is running for re-election to Congress n/t |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #136 |
200. Even conservative states have liberal areas and |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
135. Keep our eyes on the prize! |
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Amigust (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #135 |
157. Obama will be elected. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #157 |
187. Exactly |
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lucky777 (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
137. No wonder we Dems come off as wishy-washy |
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DemFromMem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
140. Why is government in the marriage business anyway? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:05 AM Response to Reply #140 |
155. That was both Kerry's and Edwards's position during the primaries. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-04 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
142. Shhh!!! If gays can get married then next thing you know a marriage |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
158. Only asshole keyes is trying to make this an issue. I don't care one wit |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
214. there may not be an issue to fight later |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
162. Deleted message |
EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
166. This was fun (for a while) and instructional (for a while) |
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jdonaldball (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
184. Respectful note about "ad hominem" arguments., both pro and con |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #184 |
196. Especially since his position is all about character |
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carpe diem (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #184 |
209. just because he disagrees with you ... |
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jdonaldball (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
195. Hmm, hours later, STILL not a word here about Obama! |
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AbbeyRoad (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
199. I'm from Southern Illinois |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
201. very disapointing |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-04 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
210. Even St. Ralph will not touch this issue |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 12:59 AM Response to Reply #210 |
211. If you mean Nader |
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Child_Of_Isis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
213. Obama said.... |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #213 |
215. so is he going to come out in favor of gay marriage |
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Child_Of_Isis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. Oh dear! |
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queerart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-04 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
221. Gay Marriage |
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