Iran Successfully Tests Strategic Missle

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Iran added a "strategic missile" to its military arsenal after a successful test, and the defense minister said Saturday his country was ready to confront any external threat. The report by state-run radio did not say whether the test involved the previously announced new version of the Shahab-3 rocket, capable of reaching Israel and U.S. forces stationed in the Middle East, or a different missile.

full article may be found here: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20040925/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_missile_4

[speedoo]

1. What now, shrub?

Your fucking foreign policy has gotten us into a real shithole, and you have no idea what to do about this.

Idiot.

[Placebo]

5. yup

[arwalden]

33. He'll Attack Syria... That'll Show Iran

[proud patriot]

2. lovely

:-(

[Mika]

3. See? We do need a missile shield after all.

:eyes:

[Placebo]

4. The only casualty of THAT would be...

the U.S. deficit! :(

[AmanAplanKerry]

6. the Shahab-3 rocket, capable of reaching Israel

Wow. Yet another country that wants to sink Israel. What is wrong with these morons? Will they go away if they are ignored or will someone need to stand up to these thugs?

[meisje]

7. Don't you mean morans?

[Minstrel Boy]

8. "Will they go away if they are ignored"

You know, I can imagine the same question being asked in Tehran, with respect to the belligerent superpower which now has it virtually surrounded. And the answer is clearly no.

Hence, a strategic missile program.

The best defense is a good offense you never need to deploy.

[AmanAplanKerry]

10. Defense against what or whom?

Those that plan to end Iranian support of terrorism? Iran should consider not supporting terrorists because I think the world has had enough of their terror.

[leesa]

12. You are very poorly informed. What do you think the US and Israel

have been doing for decades...supporting terrorists, like OBL, and dictators like Saddam. Mossad is one giant terrorist factory.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. Those sabres you hear rattling

are being waved in Iran's direction.

And look, Khatami was democratically elected twice and is struggling to roll back the Mullah's deadening influence. He deserves better than US and Israeli bombs raining down on his head.

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[AmanAplanKerry]

13. Israel deserves to be taken out you say?

Are you speaking as a Democrat or just for yourself?

[w4rma]

15. herself. (nt)

[Forkboy]

17. Who do you speak for?

[AmanAplanKerry]

18. Myself

And myself tells me that Israel does not need to be "taken out". Do you also think Israel needs to be taken out?

[Forkboy]

19. Why ask who she spoke for?

[AmanAplanKerry]

20. To identify who exactly wants Israel taken out

If there is a growing voice that says Israel needs taken out then it's good to know where it's coming from.

[sonicx]

21. it was just one person expressing an opinion

i doubt there's a "growing voice". :eyes: :crazy:

[Forkboy]

22. Yeah,once we know we can take them out!!!

[Jim Sagle]

43. Sounds like a plan!

:thumbsup:

[Lerkfish]

23. FWIW....

I think what the "preemptive" invasion of Iraq and the kid glove treatment of North Korea has demonstrated to those on the "axis of evil" list is that logically, they are in a better position NOT to be invaded if they quickly develop a viable WMD weapons program.

In other words, what Bush says he wants to accomplish: the prevention of WMD programs, he is in fact fostering by his actions.

This is independent of Isreal, btw. This is strictly basic logic developed from a very real threat: the US invasion of Iran...something the administration is beating the drum for now, in case you haven't been able to figure that out. Do we expect a country that knows its on the chopping block to simply bend over and take it, or do we give them a serious heads up to get their defenses in gear?

Strategically, this administration is the most abysmal of all time. Even IF regime changing the entire Middle East were a good idea (which it isn't), the extended run up we give to these countries only gives them time and valid motivation to arm themselves to the teeth.

And remember, if the US can justify regime changing Iraq because we suspect they will harm us at some time in the future, doesn't that precedent give Iran the exact same reason to preemptively attack the US?

[number6]

25. bingo

"In other words, what Bush says he wants to accomplish: the prevention of WMD programs, he is in fact fostering by his actions."

the lesson learned from Iraq, have no weapons get invaded
have weapons no invasion ....

the war to create more terrorists and WMD's ....

[Bridget Burke]

26. Can't he get a date?

Losing friends?

[Jim Sagle]

44. Why ask why?

:beer:

[RegexReader]

30. Holocaust version 2.0

leesa posted "If they are taken out, they certainly deserve it."

Israel has had nukes for years but haven't used them. Ever noticed that fact? If one of the Arabic states gets nuclear capable(bomb+delivery system), it would take about 30 minutes before they hit Tel Aviv.

This growing anti-Semitic sentiment here is disturbing. These comments would fit right in with StormFront.org and the other fascist hate sites. No wonder Bush is going for the Jewish vote and the Jews are moving toward voting for him!! How well does it fit, "Oh, we are in support of having all the Jews in Israel killed in a nuclear holocaust; can we still count on your campaign contributions and votes?"

Sorry, but I cannot support this.

RegexReader
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[Mr E McSquare]

32. Hating Isreal = Antisemitism??????????????

huh?

[Jim Sagle]

45. Hell yeah! Are you serious?

[Zhade]

40. Criticizing the rightwing Israel government's actions is NOT anti-Semitism

No matter how hard Likud apologists try to spin it, Likud and the rightwing government of Sharon do NOT speak for all Jews, or even all Israelis.

The argument that criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic is dishonest.

EDIT: And what's really interesting is how you, a person accusing those who legitimely criticize the Israeli government, know the name of a hate site, while those you claim are "anti-Semitic" like myself have never even heard of the place.

Project much?

Enjoy your stay. Maybe the mods will deliver a pizza to you.

[Nevernose]

42. I'm sorry for the sane Palestinians

But they need to throw out Arafat, the PLO, Hamas, and the rest of the lunatics. It takes two to tango (please forgive the cliche), and there are sure as hell no innocent sides in this conflict. All the peacemakers have been marginalized, assasinated, or replaced with assholes like *.

[dansolo]

31. Which thugs are you referring to?

Israel has already threatened to use force against Iran. In my book, that makes Israel the thugs.

[Heyo]

37. The Islamic world has hated Israel from the get-go..

... if it weren't for the US catching their back, there'd be no Israel, just a few Jews left, getting murdered every day.

Islam and Judaism, their conflict goes back many hundreds of years. I am not sure but I believe the Koran is not very friendly towards the Jewish people to say the least.

We can wish it wasn't so, but it is.

Heyo

[Zhade]

41. Total bullshit. But hey, you support the Iraq war, so go figure.

I am not sure but I believe the Koran is not very friendly towards the Jewish people to say the least.

You're right - you're not sure. That's because you're wrong. After all, Jesus was a Jew, and he is one of (if not THE) most-quoted Prophet in the Koran.

[Heyo]

48. Some verses I found...

<5.51> O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

<5.60> Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

<5.64> And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

<9.30> And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah's way,

Not trying to offend anyone or start a tiff or anything. I applogize if anyone takes it that way. I just did a google search on Jews and The Koran and these are what I found. (there other verses out there is well..)

Heyo

[sangh0]

47. "Will they go away if they are ignored?"

Gee, I wonder if that's a reference to Kerry?

Why are freepers afraid to say what they mean?

:shrug:

[leesa]

9. There is no prohibittion for Iran having this stuff, correct?

Nor is there a prohibition for them developing nuclear weapons, that I am aware of. Although it seems they just want nuclear power plants.

[MacDo]

29. Yes and No

Iran signed the NPA which basically said they would not develop nuclear weapons

[DemoTex]

16. Rove rubs hands ...

Perfect, he says. By November we will have wars in Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, and Korea. The PNAC cream dream. These PNAC assholes would rather fight than fuck. That is always a bad sign. I'm just the opposite.

[IranianDemocrat]

24. Fuck Israel.

Maybe if they stopped their own version of a holocaust on the Palestinians, people wouldn't want to destroy it as much. Maybe if they unilaterally disarm all of it's nuclear weapons, other countries in the Middle East won't feel as threatened.

[Bush was AWOL]

27. Bullshit! As soon as Palestinians stop attacking Israel there will be pea

ce! Arafat had his chance for peace with Clinton and took a pass. Until Arafat is removed, there will never be peace there.

[strizi64]

28. BS

always the same tune. Israel never followed the road-map, Netanjahu never took his chance of freedom, so what?

[Heyo]

39. Well...

"Maybe if they unilaterally disarm all of it's nuclear weapons, other countries in the Middle East won't feel as threatened."

Or maybe then the surrounding Arab countries will just run right over Israel, and "drive the Jews into the sea" as they have been pledging to do for decades.

Just a thought.

Why do they feel so threatened? Do you think Israel is just going to nuke a neighboring nation for no reason? Why don't they feel that way about Pakistan or India?

Heyo

[Jim Sagle]

46. Fuck Iran right back atcha.

[Barkley]

34. I still say Iran's 'best' weapon is oil not its missiles

Iran is a major supplier of oil on the world market.

Supplies are tight prices are inching up towards $50/ barrel again.

Any minor disruption (intentional or not) could have a devestating impact on prices and the world economy.

Secondly, Iran could change its exporting currency to euros from dollars could also have serious repurcussions for the dollar's value; especially if VZ (Chavez) follows.

The Shahab missile is old news.

[Barkley]

35. Israel used it Jerricho missile in the first Gulf War

to get the US to stop Iraqi Scuds from falling on Tel Aviv.

Israel positioned its Jerricho ballistic missiles in clear view of U.S. satellites. The implicit threat was 'if you don't stop these Scud missiles from falling on Israel, we will'.

The US subsequently diverted a significant portion of its air power from defending its ground troops to searching for Iraqi Scuds.

Fortunately, our ground troops didn't face significant resistance.

Ref: "Going Ballistic" by Martin Navias

[Heyo]

38. Is the Jericho missile..

..the same as a patriot? Like an anti-missile missile? I thought the US has Patriot batteries in Israel to intercept the scuds.

Heyo

[Barkley]

36. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and India also have missiles that can hit Israel

So do Egypt and Syria.

The Saudis got the Chinese CSS-2 ballistic missiles c. 1986 (in the wake of the first war of the cities during the Iraq-Iran war) and after the US decline to sell them the short-range Lance ballistic missiles.

(the Lance missiles cannot reach Irsael from Saudi Arabia.)

Israel made some threats to take out the missiles and the Saudis replied that any remaining missiles would be dropped on Israel.

The mini crisis ended.

(Ref: Going Ballistic, Martin Navias)