In Magazine Interview, Kerry Says He Owns Assault Rifle

[LiviaOlivia]

The New York Times
September 26, 2004
FIREARMS
In Magazine Interview, Kerry Says He Owns Assault Rifle
By JODI WILGOREN

Senator John Kerry, a hunter who supported the recently expired assault weapons ban, frequently tells audiences he has never met anyone who wanted to use an AK-47 to shoot a deer. But it is not clear what Mr. Kerry does with the Chinese assault rifle he told Outdoor Life magazine he kept in his personal collection.

In interviews appearing in the October issue of Outdoor Life, Mr. Kerry and President Bush were asked whether they were gun owners, and, if so, to identify their favorite gun.

Mr. Bush named the Weatherby 20 gauge (although he gave a slightly different answer in a separate chat with Field and Stream magazine.) Mr. Kerry's answer was more complicated. "My favorite gun is the M-16 that saved my life and that of my crew in Vietnam," Mr. Kerry told the magazine. "I don't own one of those now, but one of my reminders of my service is a Communist Chinese assault rifle."

Mr. Kerry's campaign would not say what model rifle Mr. Kerry was referring to, where he got it and when, or how many guns he owned. A spokesman for the senator, Michael Meehan, said Mr. Kerry was a registered gun owner in Massachusetts. On Thursday morning, Mr. Meehan said he had not been able to ask Mr. Kerry about the rifle because of Mr. Kerry's hoarse voice; he did not respond to further inquiries.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/politics/campaign/26guns.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Why do I suspect

this is a collector's gun, and if Kerry (I suspect he is) is a responsible collector, the gun cannot fire

Heck these days having an AR is not a bad idea, and from the write up I suspect it is an AK 47 Improved, which is the gun licenced to the Chinese... not the original AR, or the AK -70, but the AK -47 chinese model

And if he has removed the firing pin, as many responsible collectors have done, so WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? It is not used for hunting and it woudl require soem work to get it back in firing condition

Oh and I bet it does not have the selective fire switch either (never mind the mod is easy to do)

Do NOT make a scandal in a molehill folks

[study_war_no_more]

8. sounds like a war souvenier just as he said

like banzai swords and german lugers and stuff of course itsalways good to be prepared in case mad king george does pull off the impossible because that means many of your neighbors...................
be afraid be very afraid

[FeebMaster]

11. Hold on there.

It doesn't say that the rifle was a war souvenir. Kerry simply said it was a reminder of his service.

[drfemoe]

49. nm n/t

[FeebMaster]

10. Taking the firing pin out of a machine gun

doesn't mean that it isn't a machine gun, especially where the law is concerned.


Oh and I bet it does not have the selective fire switch either (never mind the mod is easy to do)

Nevermind the usual tripe concerning the easy convertibility of semi-automatic weapons to full-auto, Kerry specifically says "Communist Chinese assault rifle" which means the rifle, by definition, would be select-fire.


Heck these days having an AR is not a bad idea, and from the write up I suspect it is an AK 47 Improved, which is the gun licenced to the Chinese... not the original AR, or the AK -70, but the AK -47 chinese model

AR rifles have nothing at all to do with AK rifles and there is no AK-70.


Why do I suspect this is a collector's gun, and if Kerry (I suspect he is) is a responsible collector, the gun cannot fire

Why would a collector of guns have to ensure that his guns cannot fire to be responsible?

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Whatever, why am I bothering?

Why the modifications done to collector guns? LAW ABIDING CITIZENS have to modify things like AKs, unless they were grandfathered in... and many collectors still have modified their weapons

Oh and my bad yuo are right there is no AK 70, just AK 74 SEVERAL VERSIONS.

Oh and why would the gun have to be permanetly safetied?

Read your post, SELECT FIRE, you cannot have those in civilian hands no more, oh I forgot now you can

Oh and one more thing, AR stands for ASSAULT RIFFLE... and it is a general classification since the germans fielded the first AR during WW II

[FeebMaster]

16. Whatever?

Why the modifications done to collector guns? LAW ABIDING CITIZENS have to modify things like AKs, unless they were grandfathered in... and many collectors still have modified their weapons

I don't know. I kind of figured it was likely that Kerry bought his machine gun long before Reagan banned their manufacture. Even if he didn't, as long as it was registered before Reagan banned them, it would still be legal.

You can buy guns that have been modified to not fire. There's more to it than taking out the firing pin. It usually involves welding and cutting and that sort of thing.


Oh and why would the gun have to be permanetly safetied?

I don't know. Why would it? I didn't make that claim.



Read your post, SELECT FIRE, you cannot have those in civilian hands no more, oh I forgot now you can

Of course you can have select-fire weapons in civilian hands. Civilians have always been able to own them. What do you mean, "now you can?"


Oh and one more thing, AR stands for ASSAULT RIFFLE... and it is a general classification since the germans fielded the first AR during WW II

I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to AR as in AR-15, in which case AR would stand for Armalite Rifle.

In that case, I can't agree with you statement that having an assault rifle these days isn't a bad idea. They're simply too expensive and heavily regulated, as far as I'm concerned. Far better to buy an assault weapon (as defined by the former AWB). They're far cheaper and can be bought like any other gun. If you want to pay ten or twenty times as much and submit your first born to the ATF to have full-auto, well that's your choice, but for the average joe it's not really a realistic option.

[NickB79]

50. Why do I have to bother to repeat myself?

"LAW ABIDING CITIZENS have to modify things like AKs, unless they were grandfathered in"

Bzzzzz, wrong answer. If you HAVE to modify an AK to make it inoperable in order to own it, why can I go to the local Dunham's Sporting Goods store here in St. Cloud, MN, and purchase a WASR-10 rifle (a Romanian AK-47 clone) complete with 30-rd magazine in perfect working order for less than $350? These EXACT SAME rifles have been available for the past decade in one form or another, even with the 1994 AWB in full effect. By your logic, shouldn't that have been illegal?

The answer is that fully-automatic AK's were almost never made available to the public, and you, like most people who hear the words "assault rifle" think that all AK clones are machineguns. The AWB, however, had nothing to do with machineguns (read more on this below).

"Read your post, SELECT FIRE, you cannot have those in civilian hands no more, oh I forgot now you can"

Again (and hopefully this will sink in to people's minds if I type in all caps), THE 1994 AWB HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SELECT-FIRE WEAPONS!!! Select-fire weapons were HIGHLY REGULATED, but NOT BANNED, in the 1934 National Firearms Act. Since then, it has been PERFECTLY LEGAL to own fully-automatic weapons in most states provided you register the weapon, pay a $200 tax, fill out all the proper paperwork, get permission from your local police dept., etc, etc. You could own select-fire weapons in 1950, you could own select-fire weapons in 1998, you can still own select-fire weapons today. The expiration of the 1994 AWB had ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THIS. Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

[DoNotRefill]

55. Actually, the abbreviation for "assault rifle" is "Stg".

Which stands for "Sturmgewehr". Silly Germans, they didn't designate their weapons in English. Go figure. An AR rifle, be it an AR-15, an AR-7, or any other rifle with an "AR" designator is NOT necessarily an "assault rifle", and the "AR" has NOTHING to do with an "Assault rifle" designation.

If you have a "collector's" AK-47, you DO have to "modify" it to keep it legal, all right...you have to cut the receiver into three separate pieces with a blowtorch, so that 3/5 of an inch of metal is destroyed on each cut. Failure to do so is possession of an unregistered machinegun, and is a serious felony, and ATF's demill specs are very exacting.

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[stepnw1f]

2. YAAWWWN

:boring:

[sadiesworld]

3. The NYT looking to stir shit up.

WOW :eyes:

[farmbo]

4. I've seen him shoot clays at a Sportsmen for Kerry event...

... and he's a great shot...and very comfortable with firearms.

He favors the 12 gauge over/under for shooting , but likes blowing things up with large caliber rifles as well.

And Bush... he's nothing but a photo-op shooter.

[DoNotRefill]

56. Ummm...how do you blow stuff up with a large caliber rifle?

Blowing stuff up usually involves explosives, not bullets, unless you're talking about crew-served artillery.

[uncle ray]

65. ever shoot a can of paint?

[BiggJawn]

68. Can of pop looks spectacular when hit with a .22 HP...

Little ol' CCI "Stinger", broken case of diet pop bought for a buck at a salvage store, and a lazy afternoon out behind the barn.

Shake the cans. set 'em on fence posts, and watch the pull-tab come out and the can turn into a flat sheet of aluminium...

It was good to grow up on the farm....

[farmbo]

73. Anything that gets in an argument with a 30.06 round...gets 'blown up'

(figure of speech)

:toast:

[JuniperLea]

71. now, watch this

shot

[faithnotgreed]

5. this is from jody wilgoren who has yet to write anything

of substance about kerry. its one thing to profile the gun collection of the candidates, but to raise phantom issues, esp about the "hot" topics, is something entirely different.

[RamboLiberal]

7. Phantom issues - yeah wonder if we'll hear about this

from Limbaugh or Hannity.

Mr. Arulanandam said, noting that if Mr. Kerry brought the gun home from the war as a souvenir he could be subject to court-martial.

I'm betting the AK has been disabled from being a functional weapon.

BTW, stepson Chris Heinz is a good shot with a rifle I hear. He did a rifle shoot for a Sportsmen for Kerry recently in the Pittsburgh area.

And let's not forget AWOL has Saddam's pistol in the WH - hey that's illegal in DC.

[DoNotRefill]

57. "hey that's illegal in DC."

Nah, there's a government exemption in the DC law. It's only regular people who can't own handguns in DC legally.

[truthisfreedom]

6. perhaps bush would like to clariflop this flip:

Mr. Bush named the Weatherby 20 gauge (although he gave a slightly different answer in a separate chat with Field and Stream magazine.)

bush always gives different answers to the same question. like the reason for the Iraqi invasion... what was it again, bushie?

who freaking CARES if Kerry owns a Communist Chinese assault rifle. it's obviously a collector's piece. Kerry is against MODERN assault weapons that can be used with MASSIVE CLIPS and easily converted to AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. these are not collector's pieces. they are weapons whose only purpose is to kill people.

i bet Kerry doesn't even own any shells the right size for that Chinese rifle.

[FeebMaster]

13. Oh come on.

who freaking CARES if Kerry owns a Communist Chinese assault rifle. it's obviously a collector's piece. Kerry is against MODERN assault weapons that can be used with MASSIVE CLIPS and easily converted to AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. these are not collector's pieces. they are weapons whose only purpose is to kill people.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Kerry owns an automatic weapon which is a collectors item, but semi-automatic weapons which you (wrongly) claim are easily convertible to full-auto aren't collectors items? Could you explain that to me?



i bet Kerry doesn't even own any shells the right size for that Chinese rifle.

What's the point of owning a rifle you have no ammunition for? If he doesn't, he should buy some. It's cheap.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. translation kid does not know

bout them nasty extended clips... some of whom can actually hold 100 rounds

And yes many COLLECTORS do NOT have teh ammo for the guns in their collections. They are, free hint, COLLECTOR ITEMS, and have not been fired in a long time


I know some of them collectors, heck one of them has an 1898 Geber and his gun cannot fire... it is a DISPLAY gun, neither can his Henry... you know what a Henry is Right? When taking to the field in Civil War Recreation he uses a Henry Replica.. again you know what a Henry is, don't you?

[FeebMaster]

17. What do magazines have to do with anything?

Full-auto AK-47s, like Kerry's, take the same magazines as semi-automatic AK-47 clones. Magazines and magazine capacity have nothing to do with anything in this particular case.


And yes many COLLECTORS do NOT have teh ammo for the guns in their collections. They are, free hint, COLLECTOR ITEMS, and have not been fired in a long time


I know some of them collectors, heck one of them has an 1898 Geber and his gun cannot fire... it is a DISPLAY gun, neither can his Henry... you know what a Henry is Right? When taking to the field in Civil War Recreation he uses a Henry Replica.. again you know what a Henry is, don't you?


Yes I know what a Henry is, but I've seen no evidence to support this theory that Kerry owns a display gun that is incapable of firing. I for one choose to take Kerry on his word that he owns a full-auto AK-47.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. I guess we will have to part ways

I susepct his weapon is not full auto... you suspect it is

I also suspect he does not use it for hunting... you may think he does

Kerry strikes me far more as a Gun Collector who owns "serviceable guns for hunting" and collector pieces.

That is the impression I have... and by the way I repsect any collector who hss these weapons, whether they are functional or not

Also those extended magazines are intended for combat. I take it you did not know that or are just playing dumb. having heard an AK 47 fired in anger in my general direction MORE THAN ONCE, I peronally think their regular mags are plenty good.. no need for extended magazines, especially for a gun collector

[FeebMaster]

25. Part ways?

Were we ever on the same path?

I susepct his weapon is not full auto... you suspect it is

Kerry says it's full-auto. I take him at his word.



I also suspect he does not use it for hunting... you may think he does

I don't see what hunting has to do with anything. It hasn't been mentioned. I doubt Kerry is running around with a $10,000+ machine guns in the woods, but I suppose it's possible. There's nothing about the AK-47 that makes it unsuitable for hunting.


Kerry strikes me far more as a Gun Collector who owns "serviceable guns for hunting" and collector pieces.

All the more reason he's more likely to own an actual machine gun than some gussied up hunk of metal that looks like one.



That is the impression I have... and by the way I repsect any collector who hss these weapons, whether they are functional or not

Good for you.



Also those extended magazines are intended for combat. I take it you did not know that or are just playing dumb. having heard an AK 47 fired in anger in my general direction MORE THAN ONCE, I peronally think their regular mags are plenty good.. no need for extended magazines, especially for a gun collector

"Extended magazines," as you call them, are regular magazines. In any case, I think a gun collector, if he chooses to fire his collectibles would need some magazines to do it. In any case, since Kerry either owns a full-auto AK-47, a semi-auto AK-47 clone, or a chunk of useless metal that sort of looks like an AK-47 all of which would take the same magazines "extended" or not, I don't see what magazines have to do with anything.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Yes

Part ways

What part of part ways yuo don't get?

[FeebMaster]

36. I understand "part ways" very well,

but to "part ways" it seems to me that you'd have to be going the same way at some point in order to part them later.


What I don't get is why you continue to talk about magazines when they are irrelevant to Kerry's machine gun ownership.

I don't get why you continue to theorize that Kerry's machine gun isn't functional when there is no evidence to even suggest such a thing.

I don't get what you meant way back in post #14 when you said "SELECT FIRE, you cannot have those in civilian hands no more, oh I forgot now you can."

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Ok again CLUELESS

Extended Magazines are meant for war fighting not hunting, and that goes for an AK or a 9 mm Beretta

you think they belong in civilian hands, FINE

Talk to cops, the ones who have to face them... and they will sing a different tune

So will miltiary personnel

You love guns, the more power to you

I have been on the receiivng end of AK (and other military grade weapons) I know wht an EXTENDED MAG does, you don't

For you, I am assumng, this is about going out shootng.

For me, well the second ammendment INCLUDES the well regulated militia part... I know the part you hate to admit

Now you might understand this about extended magazines ONLY if you walk in my shoes or those of law enforcemnt

To be quite honest there are certain things that DO NOT belong in civilian hands, extended magazines AND black talon ammo are top in my list

hence lets part ways.

I beleive in a well regulated militia and in weapons being regulated. yes that inclues the boogey man of MANDATORY gun locks and gun safes... seen too many times the results of this not done.

So lets part ways... you have your point of view, mine comes from working side by side with law enforcement.

[FeebMaster]

41. Wow.

Extended Magazines are meant for war fighting not hunting, and that goes for an AK or a 9 mm Beretta

Magazines, extended or otherwise have nothing to do with this discussion beyond your repeatedly bringing them up.


you think they belong in civilian hands, FINE

I do and they are. Of course, that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


Talk to cops, the ones who have to face them... and they will sing a different tune

So will miltiary personnel

Some do, of course, but that has nothing to do with Kerry's machine gun.



You love guns, the more power to you

I don't love guns and I hardly think you want me to have more power since I would remove the current restrictions on them. In any case, that has nothing to do with Kerry's machine gun.


I have been on the receiivng end of AK (and other military grade weapons) I know wht an EXTENDED MAG does, you don't

Obviously "extended mags" as you call them, or just standard capacity magazines as everyone else does, hold more rounds than the reduced capacity ones that got cooked up to comply with various restrictions on magazine capacity. Of course, that has nothing to do with Kerry's machine gun.



For you, I am assumng, this is about going out shootng.

You shouldn't assume.



For me, well the second ammendment INCLUDES the well regulated militia part... I know the part you hate to admit

The second amendment has nothing to do with Kerry owning a machine gun. Nice ad hom by the way. It was priceless and irrelevant and wrong.



Now you might understand this about extended magazines ONLY if you walk in my shoes or those of law enforcemnt

Your continued insistence on talking about original capacity magazines is truly baffling when the issue at hand is Kerry's machine gun. If you'd prefer to not talk about Kerry's machine gun, perhaps you should just say so, or better yet, simply stop posting in this thread about Kerry and his machine gun.



To be quite honest there are certain things that DO NOT belong in civilian hands, extended magazines AND black talon ammo are top in my list

So now you want to talk about a single brand of ammunition in addition to magazines, neither of which has anything to do with anything in this thread.



hence lets part ways.

Again, you can't part ways if you've never been going the same way. I'm not even sure we're posting in the same thread being that this one is about Kerry and his machine gun and pretty much all you've talked about are magazines.



I beleive in a well regulated militia and in weapons being regulated. yes that inclues the boogey man of MANDATORY gun locks and gun safes... seen too many times the results of this not done.

Gun locks and gun safes now? Wow, you pretty much want to talk about everything but Kerry and his machine gun. Why is that?



So lets part ways... you have your point of view, mine comes from working side by side with law enforcement.

Law enforcement is irrelevant to Kerry and his machine gun, unless you are claiming that Kerry is a threat to law enforcement because he owns a machine gun. Is that what you're claiming?

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[FeebMaster]

44. The only distortion

is your repeated attempts to discuss magazines and various other irrelevant things when this thread is about Kerry and his machine gun.


I brought the Extended magazines since they are common among YOUR CROWD

What crowd would that be? Regardless of my crowd or "extended" magazines, as you call them, being popular among this crowd, these magazines are still irrelevant to Kerry owning a machine gun.


And no I do not beleive Kerry is a threat, you distort what you want

Then why did you bring up law enforcement officers while we're talking about Kerry owning a machine gun?



Now bush, he is a threat for many other reasons and they have NOTHIGN to do wtih an AK 47

Bush certainly sucks, but I don't see what Bush or his sucking has to do with Kerry owning a machine gun. I don't know if Bush owns a machine gun. I hear Cheney owns a bunch of them.



And you cannot get it why Kerry does not SHOOT that gun, taht is incomprehensible to you

Kerry's shooting his machine gun is irrelevant to his owning that machine gun.


Oh and one final thing this has slowly gone from Kerry's Assault Rifle, NOT MACHINE GUN, for a gun lover you do not know the difference either WOW! to gun rights,

Assault rifles are, by definition, machine guns. Assault rifles are capable of both semi-auto and full-auto fire. Assault rifles are machine guns. I guess I do know the difference, which is, there is no difference.


Now please go ahead, have the last word

Pleaes do

I dare you

I double dare you

I triple dare yuo

I quadruple dare you to have the last word

You know my stance

now have the last word,

Go for it

I dare you again

Double dare you

Triple dare yuo


If that's the last word in this "discussion," so be it. At least we won't be hearing anything else about magazines and trigger locks.

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[FeebMaster]

47. Can it really be called the last word

when most of the words that had anything to do with the issue at hand belonged to me in the first place? Really, when you think about it, any post I made in this sub-thread would have been the last word as long as it was the last post I made.

"He could not resist to have the last word

and now to the filter you go....

Have a wonderful life"

By all means, stick my in your ignore list. It's not like you weren't ignoring everything I posted anyway.

[DoNotRefill]

59. Ummm...

"Oh and one final thing this has slowly gone from Kerry's Assault Rifle, NOT MACHINE GUN,"

An assault rifle is generally defined by people who are knowledgeable about firearms as a select-fire rifle of intermediate cartridge size. That means it's a machinegun, it has a selector which is "safe", "single shot", and "fully automatic". This hasn't changed since Chinn first defined it. Now a "semi-automatic assault weapon" (as created by the 1994 law) is another beast entirely, but since these didn't exist in the 1970's, I seriously doubt Kerry managed to bring one back from Vietnam 24 years before they came into being.

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[DoNotRefill]

58. Nadin...

"I know wht an EXTENDED MAG does, you don't"

What is the standard issue magazine capacity for a combloc AK-47? It's 30 rounds. That's STANDARD ISSUE, NOT an extended magazine. That's what they come with from the factory.

"Now you might understand this about extended magazines ONLY if you walk in my shoes or those of law enforcemnt"

Sorry, I can't walk in your shoes. I am, however, former law enforcement. Been there, done that, have no problem with civilian ownership of high-cap magazines.

"mine comes from working side by side with law enforcement."

Not all law enforcement feels the way you do. And, as a former "sworn officer", I'll tell you that IMHO, you're 100% WRONG.

[MacDo]

60. Thank you

I just hate when people discuss an issue without knowing the facts. Every time a Kerry supporter starts talking about guns, I think "Oh God, I hope they know what they are talking about." It makes us look really bad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Extended mag for an AK

is actually anywhere from 50 to a 100 rounds

Tnhe 30 round clip is considered standard

What you didn't know that?

Oh and before you say it, seen those extended mags.

[saigon68]

79. Its probably an SKS

Totally legal and you can buy a brand new YUGO edition for $200.00 Hell of a deer rifle. Sweet.

[FeebMaster]

84. But an SKS isn't an assault rifle.

It wasn't even an assault weapon under the former Assault Weapons Ban.

[NickB79]

53. How is a 1970's era firearm NOT considered modern?

The AK was the weapon of choice by the Viet Cong in Vietnam in the 1970's. These rifles were often equpped with 30 and 40-rd "banana clip" magazines, and also could be fitted with 75-rd drum magazines. Those sound like pretty massive clips to me, wouldn't you agree?

Also, can you give me an example of one, just one, modern legal semi-automatic assault rifle currently on the US market that can be easily converted to full-automatic?

Since you don't seem overly concerned about someone owning one of these "ancient" weapons (despite it's ability to hold "massive clips" and fire full-auto), does that mean you wouldn't mind if I owned a 1970's era M-16, also widely used in Vietnam by US forces? After all, by your logic, it isn't anywhere near as dangerous as a MODERN assault weapon, right?

And BTW, since Chinese assault weapons were virtually all chambered in 7.62x39mm, that means ammunition is available everywhere. I doubt you could find a gun shop that didn't have the ammunition on stock, and dirt-cheap too since much of it is Russian-import. Even if he doesn't own any ammo for it, it is very, very easy to obtain.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. They were grandfathered in

when reagan put the ban in

Hence it is legal for him to own it, now you, on the other hand cannot buy that M-16 from the 1970s era... reaosn being the ATF will not let you... now you can buy an AR 15, which is the same rifle, without the select clip but all its joys.

You had to physically have it in YOUR possetion when this came to be

Now you are right as to how easy it is to obtain ammo, heck you are also right about the extended clips, (some actually hold all the way to 100 rounds)

As to how to modify semi auto, to full auto, any smith can do it, here is teh catch, highly ilegal.

Now as I aaid most collectors I know rarely, if ever, fire those weapons. Some have even replaced the full firing mechanism with a non firing mechanism (btw the M-16 can have this done in a jiffy back and forth, as it involved replacing some parts)

[RegexReader]

74. ¿Can Kerry skate on a federal felony?

truthisfreedom posted "i bet Kerry doesn't even own any shells the right size for that Chinese rifle."

The issue is not if Kerry has or doesn't have bullets. The issue is whether he has committed a serious federal felony by having an unregistered fully automatic assault weapon. If I commented in an interview that I had an AK47 that was brought back from Iraq, the boys with the 3 letter acronyms on their jackets would be knocking on my door really quick.

Regardless of the viewpoint on *, a federal felony is a federal felony. This needs to be quickly investigated by the ATF and the results published.

RegexReader
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[nadinbrzezinski]

82. If he bought it before the Reagan ban on AR he is fine

as long as he registered it, and I suspect the weapon is registered, or why mention it

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. Kerry= fine-toothed comb

Chimp= "Sounds OK to me."

[AlCzervik]

18. yup, nothing to see here, move along now

more dirt on Kerry tomorrow, Bush, you pass go and collect your 200 million dollars.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

12. Which is the reason why the NRA's opposition to Kerry is total BS

Hell I'm a westerner I have no problem with responsible gun ownership. Let's face the NRA was once about responsible gun ownership and firearm safety but that's no longer the case. Instead they are a bunch of fat overweight girly men who are afraid of losing their guns because they would not be able to compensate for the fact that they have an incredibly small penis.

[Columbia]

19. Took just 12 posts for a penis reference

Is that a record?

[FeebMaster]

20. Nah.

I've seen them in the first reply and occasionally the original post.

[Columbia]

24. Always the refuge of those without an argument.

I wonder who started that meme anyway?

[FeebMaster]

26. I have no idea.

But they should get a medal. It has certainly withstood the test of time.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

22. Well I think I said more than penis

But if that's what you're fixated on so be it.

[Columbia]

23. Not really

That's pretty much all you had.

Gun rights advocates = penis compensation

No?

[jpgray]

27. Wilgoren is perhaps the most blatant anti-Kerry columnist at the NYT

I remember when she compared him to a caged hamster in an article about his campaign--just unbelievable. Hmm, what DOES Kerry do with his souvenier rifle? My guess is he just keeps it without shooting it. My dad has restored/built many historical rifles, and he has not fired a single one of them.

[Columbia]

28. Anti-Kerry? Sounds Pro-Kerry to me

What's wrong with owning a machine-gun?

[FeebMaster]

29. Here's a link to the Outdoor Life interview.

Now you can read it without Wilgoren to trouble you.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/news/article/0,19912,696240-1,00.html



Hmm, what DOES Kerry do with his souvenir rifle?

No one has claimed it was a souvenir.


My guess is he just keeps it without shooting it.

Entirely possible, but what does it have to do with anything?


My dad has restored/built many historical rifles, and he has not fired a single one of them.

Has your father manufactured a machine gun since May 19, 1986? Nevermind, probably best not to answer that one.

[jpgray]

32. This sums up why you're having problems understanding

'What's the point of owning a rifle you have no ammunition for?'

Absolutely priceless. My family has a long history of military service, and both my grandfather and father have built guns, sometimes for hunting and sometimes for display or collection. But they have no interest in shooting a military rifle beyond military service. Owning one of special significance--perhaps. But shooting it? They would have found it silly--like pounding nails with a hammer just for the pure hell of it. I think you just will never be able to understand that mentality, and that's why you're having trouble figuring out why Kerry's owning the Chinese rifle doesn't contradict his view that no one needs an AK47 to hunt.

[FeebMaster]

34. We're not talking about your family.

I think you just will never be able to understand that mentality, and that's why you're having trouble figuring out why Kerry's owning the Chinese rifle doesn't contradict his view that no one needs an AK47 to hunt.

I haven't made that claim. Perhaps you could respond to my posts without making up random things so you can claim I'm having trouble figuring them out.

[jpgray]

37. Running away from this already?

"My guess is he just keeps it without shooting it.

Entirely possible, but what does it have to do with anything?"

"Senator John Kerry, a hunter who supported the recently expired assault weapons ban, frequently tells audiences he has never met anyone who wanted to use an AK-47 to shoot a deer. But it is not clear what Mr. Kerry does with the Chinese assault rifle he told Outdoor Life magazine he kept in his personal collection."

In most states it is legal to own an assault rifle, so long as you have filled out the proper paperwork and it was manufactured before 1986. Now, since Kerry is talking about something from the early seventies, that ought not to be a problem.

But I would wager Kerry is like my father or grandfather--he doesn't keep the gun to play soldier and shoot for no reason, he keeps it as a memento. He has no use for buying a weapon with bayonet or bipod lugs, a collapsible stock, or a large-capacity magazine, because such a weapon would serve no purpose. Moreover, like the veterans and hunters in my family, he doesn't see the point in anyone buying these weapons. Therefore his positions on the ban, and his ownership of this rifle, are consistent. He isn't breaking the law, and he is not displaying any hypocrisy.

The problem with Jodi's article is it tries to imply otherwise. For people who like to pound nails with a hammer for no reason, this may be hard to understand. Didn't you ask me what this had to do with anything? Did you read the article? :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Your father and grand father served

so did Kerry....

When you have faced combat you really do not want these toys to play soldier. Most keep them as part of a collection and many a times there is no ammo to go with the gun

Trust me, I understand your father and grand father's point of view

In a small way, I walked in their shoes.

:-)

But these guys will not get it, they just don't get it

[Columbia]

83. I'm sick of you playing the vet card

I'm a combat veteran and I do not support any kind of gun control.

[FeebMaster]

43. I'm not running away from anything.

"Senator John Kerry, a hunter who supported the recently expired assault weapons ban, frequently tells audiences he has never met anyone who wanted to use an AK-47 to shoot a deer. But it is not clear what Mr. Kerry does with the Chinese assault rifle he told Outdoor Life magazine he kept in his personal collection."

That's fabulous. You know a person can own a gun, even shoot it, and not use it for hunting. Right? You do understand that hunters are a small fraction of the gun owners in this country, right?



In most states it is legal to own an assault rifle, so long as you have filled out the proper paperwork and it was manufactured before 1986. Now, since Kerry is talking about something from the early seventies, that ought not to be a problem.

Where has anyone claimed it's a problem? I certainly haven't.



"But I would wager Kerry is like my father or grandfather--he doesn't keep the gun to play soldier and shoot for no reason, he keeps it as a memento. He has no use for buying a weapon with bayonet or bipod lugs, a collapsible stock, or a large-capacity magazine, because such a weapon would serve no purpose. Moreover, like the veterans and hunters in my family, he doesn't see the point in anyone buying these weapons. Therefore his positions on the ban, and his ownership of this rifle, are consistent. He isn't breaking the law, and he is not displaying any hypocrisy."

Why are you discussing the Assault Weapons Ban when Kerry has claimed to own a machine gun which wasn't regulated by the Assault Weapons Ban?



The problem with Jodi's article is it tries to imply otherwise. For people who like to pound nails with a hammer for no reason, this may be hard to understand. Didn't you ask me what this had to do with anything? Did you read the article? :)

Yes I read the article. I wasn't impressed. It refereed to the SKS as an assault rifle, which it obviously isn't. I also read the interview where Kerry said he owns a machine gun in Outdoor life, which I liked more. If you rather discuss this crappy article written by someone you don't like instead of the interview it refers to, well, I guess we could do that.

[jpgray]

45. This thread is about the article. My post was about the article

"If you rather discuss this crappy article written by someone you don't like instead of the interview it refers to, well, I guess we could do that."

Since when were we talking about the interview? All I've been saying is that Wilgoren shows consistent bias. Who are you arguing with here? It seems in this case your tactic of cut/pasting an entire post and then responding betrays the fact that you haven't actually read the post carefully. For fun, I'll use your own method to show you what I mean:

That's fabulous. You know a person can own a gun, even shoot it, and not use it for hunting. Right? You do understand that hunters are a small fraction of the gun owners in this country, right?

Here I'm confused--did you think the quote from the article was actually my own statement? Wilgoren has focused on the hunter quote, not I.

Where has anyone claimed it's a problem? I certainly haven't.

No, but my post has been about Jodi's bias, and her casting Kerry's ownership of this rifle as a contradiction with his AWB stance. Therefore it's important to point out Kerry is not breaking the law, or violating the AWB.

Why are you discussing the Assault Weapons Ban when Kerry has claimed to own a machine gun which wasn't regulated by the Assault Weapons Ban?

Because all my posts thus far have been about Wilgoren trying to suggest a contradiction in Kerry's ownership of the weapon and his support of the AWB. The gun not being regulated by the AWB is thus exactly the point--this is why owning this weapon is not inconsistent with supporting the AWB. Since that's all I'm trying to show, I'm wondering what you think this discussion is about?

[FeebMaster]

51. As I recall

you expressed some dissatisfaction with the author of the article. I then linked you to the Outdoor Life interview. You then responded to that post with a quote from a whole other sub-thread that really didn't have anything to do with anything and then started talking about your family. Forgive me for thinking we were no longer talking solely about the original article posted in this thread.


Who are you arguing with here? It seems in this case your tactic of cut/pasting an entire post and then responding betrays the fact that you haven't actually read the post carefully.

Well you're welcome to your opinion. At least I respond to your posts instead of randomly picking things from other sub-threads to respond to or randomly reminiscing about my family only to later claim I was actually talking about something completely unrelated.

Clearly just as a thread splits off into a number of sub-threads each sub-thread can have a number of threads of conversation. Personally, I prefer to keep these separate, when appropriate.

[jpgray]

52. Nice try, but you won't slip away so easily

"At least I respond to your posts instead of randomly picking things from other sub-threads to respond to or randomly reminiscing about my family only to later claim I was actually talking about something completely unrelated."

It's a shame you don't take the time to read the posts before you respond to them. So there was no common thread throughout my posts? I just started talking about something 'completely unrelated'? They seem pretty related to me:

First post: "Wilgoren is perhaps the most blatant anti-Kerry columnist at the NYT. I remember when she compared him to a caged hamster in an article about his campaign--just unbelievable. Hmm, what DOES Kerry do with his souvenier rifle? My guess is he just keeps it without shooting it."

Second post: "Kerry's owning the Chinese rifle doesn't contradict his view that no one needs an AK47 to hunt."

Third post: "Moreover, like the veterans and hunters in my family, he doesn't see the point in anyone buying these weapons. Therefore his positions on the ban, and his ownership of this rifle, are consistent. He isn't breaking the law, and he is not displaying any hypocrisy. The problem with Jodi's article is it tries to imply otherwise."

These all relate directly to the Wilgoren article, for those who have read it. The whole conversation is under a post titled 'Wilgoren is the most blatant anti-Kerry columnist'. As you can see above, all my talk about my family's experience directly relates to my evaluation of the article, and my use of your quote above also relates to that.

Again, what is the argument you apparently thought we were having, and where did it start? I have to go to bed, but I must admit I'm looking forward to the answer. :)

[FeebMaster]

85. Yeah

My great-grandfather bought a farm for $3000 back in 1920. It was in the family for a good sixty years. Etc. Etc. blah blah. Oh yeah, Jodi Wilgoren is a jerk.

[Carolab]

30. I'm surprised * didn't say

the gun Saddam had on him when we "found him in the spider hole"--here, wanna see it???

[Bush was AWOL]

31. If we want to be tough, lets go with survival of the fittest!

Kerry vs. Bush in a draw or any kind match. We know who the bigger man is. And we know Rove would rather shit himself in public than agree to such match.

[Columbia]

35. Bad idea

You know Bush would cheat.

[Bush was AWOL]

40. Let him cheat, he's a girlie man!

Bush is a sissy and we all know it. Although this is totally unrealistic, I'd love nothing more than to see him exposed as the silver spoon, fortunate son he is and always will be.

[shockingelk]

48. WAIT! Bush flip-flopped on his favorite gun?!?!?

"Mr. Bush named the Weatherby 20 gauge (although he gave a slightly different answer in a separate chat with Field and Stream magazine.)"

This is HUGE! Forget Abu Ghraib! Forget record deficits and the worst environmental record since the discovery of cancer! Forget ideological invasions! Forget it all!

/sarcasm

[banana republican]

54. I have a weapon; used exclusively for elephant hunting; n/t

[skooooo]

61. That settles it, Kerry's got my vote.

[w4rma]

62. Neat!

Note, I don't even know what the big argument is about in some posts above.

[Flammable Materials]

63. DISTRACTION. Move On. n/t

[The Zanti Regent]

64. Is Jodi D. Whore gonna write about Bush's toy Phaser, too?

You know, the one he got at the toy store? Is she gonna kiss Der Führer's ass and cover up for his stupidity/insanity again?

[Paladin]

66. This Issue Has Been Addressed In Justice/Public Safety......

....ad fucking nauseum, believe me. The same bunch of gun-obsessed "Democrats," attempting to trash John Kerry, for the umpteenth time.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Thanks that is what I thought

they were gun crazed democrats

[FeebMaster]

86. I still don't understand how

talking about John Kerry owning a machine gun is "trashing him." If there's any trashing going on, it's from people who have argued against machine gun ownership in the past.

[AngryAmish]

67. Who does this Wilgoren women think she is?

John Kerry is the best person America has ever produced. He should be allowed to own whatever he wants. Including whatever gun he wants.

[Kadie]

70. I thought bushie's favorite gun was the one he kept from saddam

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5099013/

Bush keeps Saddam's gun in White House
Weapon was taken from Iraqi leader when he was captured

[JuniperLea]

72. we all know of at least one gun in bushie's collection

the one formerly belonging to SH.

[Rose Siding]

75. If I were running for president...

I think I would have cleaned out my assult rifle closet. But that's just me. It would have seemed an easily predictable, easily avoidable distraction that will rob the campaign of precious time and energy.

[FeebMaster]

87. Why?

I hear Cheney owns a bunch of machine guns. So what if Kerry has one?

[Rose Siding]

88. Well if Dick does it

that's ok then. He's very popular with the electorate.

[progressivebydesign]

78. Geez.. it's called a COLLECTORS item!

How stupid are these people? AND WTF does BUSH plan to DO with SADDAM'S HANDGUN?????? Is the NYT just totally off the deep end, or do they employ too many people and have to come up with inane new articles hourly?