Mysterious touchscreen voting machine found

[area51]

"Mysterious touchscreen voting machine found

"ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) — Members of the State Board of Elections were surprised to hear reports Tuesday that Diebold touchscreen voting machines similar to those used in Maryland were found abandoned recently on a street and in a bar in Baltimore.

"Joseph Torre, voting systems and procurement director for the agency, confirmed that one machine was found, but assured board members it did not belong to Maryland.

"`It wasn't one of ours,' he said. `All 16,009 units are present and accounted for.'

"`That takes your breath away,' board member Joan Beck said."

Link to article.


Did the nazis get lazy & leave this voting machine out in the open?

[shraby]

1. More of the article

Torre said the machine that was turned in did not have a state identification number on it and the serial number did not match the number of any of the machines purchased by the state. He said Diebold Election Systems had been asked to check the serial number to try to determine where the machine might have come from.

David Bear, a Diebold spokesman, said he was not aware that a machine had been turned in.

Asked about the possible origin of the machine, Torre said, "You can buy one on eBay."


WHAT IN THE HELL DOES HE MEAN BY YOU CAN BUY ONE ON EBAY???????

[shraby]

2. Kick this

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[hedda_foil]

3. You can buy one on E-bay???????

Wouldn't that compromise their oh-so-secure (not!) system and their oh-so-proprietary software?

[RubyDuby in GA]

8. Sweet

If I can get in the winning bid, Georgia's going for Kerry!
Happy days are here again....

:evilgrin:

[Eloriel]

35. ROTFL

You go, girl! Hey, why leave this up to the PAID folks? Volunteers wanna play too, right?

:evilgrin:

(For the record, I do NOT endorse election rigging or fraud, but it sure is fun to fantasize about "our side" making a point or several million.)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. What does he mean? I believe

they must be cloning them now.

[Mistress Quickly]

5. not on ebay right now

but they have old ones, and claim to have ones used in FL

http://search.ebay.com/voting-machine_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQsotrZ2QQcoactionZcompareQQcopagenumZ1QQcoentrypageZsearch

[0007]

25. How does David Bear know that a voting machine can be bought

on e-bay? Something fishy is going on!!

[spinbaby]

6. Aliens

Obviously left by space aliens. Nothing to do with election fraud. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Bo]

43. Thats space ghosts ....not aliens

[GingerSnaps]

7. Rethugs have no other way of winning unless they steal their way in

We have to rise up against these people and take back our country.

[reprobate]

28. Have patience.

If this election is stolen (and anything other than a Kerry win means it was stolen) I believe you will see plenty of rising and taking. Wait for it and it will happen.

[ewagner]

9. Damn!

Somebody got careless in an election fixing scheme.

I'd love to know the whole story here......has to be funny.

[eek]

11. I dunno...this stuff always winds up having to do with kkkarl.

How many times has mysterious electronic equipment"turned up" right before a debate, an election day and on and on?

The strategery isn't always clear at first but it always does do whatever it is that Dr Evil needs it to do.
(I'm sure to get some details way wrong here so please flame gently. I'm more trying to be illustrative than debate-ready).


There was the debate practice tape that resulted in Gore losing his key advisor.

There was the bug planted in kkkarl's office just before an important electon in Texas.
There was kkkarl's Powerpoint presentation found in a park before the mid-terms.

Just smelling rat again, that's all.

[ewagner]

16. For sure there's a rat involved

albeit a really, really stupid one.......

The question is whether it was a "free lance" rat or a "company owned" Rove rat........

[Rose Siding]

37. This stuff is way over karl's pay grade

Corporate fascists hire hacks like him.

[VegasWolf]

10. Now that they've reverse engineered the software, they

don't need the machine anymore. Any PC with a modem
can now be used. Trojan horses to prevent backtracking
are probably already spreading by left and right leaning hackers.

Election night 2004: "CBS is calling Ohio for Kerry", "Ooops,
CBS regrets to say we wre premature and are now calling Ohio
for Bush", "Oops ...", "Sorry, one more time...", "Oops .."

[AndyTiedye]

21. and the return from Cinncinnatti is Boosh 999,999,999, Kerry MINUS 15,372

[Xithras]

38. That's not quite how these work

The Diebold machines call in to a central machine at your local (usually county) registrar of voters. Each machine has a unique RSA key that can only be used once, and the server has a list of "approved keys". You COULD load the software on your PC, and you could even dial up the county server, but without that key it isn't going to authenticate you or accept any of your votes. With literally billions of possible keys out there, the odds of you getting one right are slim. The odds of you getting enough right to influence an election are pretty much zero.

If you want to hack an election, you're better off taking a crack at a real live voting machine.

[VegasWolf]

39. The point to attack would be the central server, know the TP

protocol would help. From what I've heard ( second hand of course )
is that the server side software is pretty week in terms of
security ( an MS Access ) database and juried up TP software.
I'm not betting this thing can't be hacked.

[lcooksey]

12. Maybe the bar was going to reprogram it

Turn it into a video poker machine? Just when you think you've heard it all from Diebold, something like this comes along. What a bunch of incompetents.

[daleo]

13. That was my first thought too

"Come on, Chimp, Chimp, .... Kerry! Damn, two Chimps and a Kerry! Well, better plug another quarter in...Come on three Chimps!"

[VegasWolf]

14. I think this lack of paper trail is going to bite Rove in the ass --

hackers are more apt to hate Bush, who want's to be drafted?

[cthrumatrix]

15. nothing mysterious about "crime".... this is all asumed with Diebold

[Boredtodeath]

17. Maybe they are Georgia's missing machines?

The observers went to KSU today to visit the Election Center there, and at our request, asked them about voting machines (14-19) which were stolen in a burglary in June 2002. Our worst fears were confirmed that these machines have been in the wild since then, GEMS servers, Touchscreens and Optical Scanners. They were stolen from a Ramada Inn in Macon, Georgia after the system was set up for poll manager training.

KSU's response was that "they were probably kids who threw the machines in the river when they found out what they were."

Sadly, our officials never made an attempt to LOCATE the machines and make no effort to determine if they are being used in a basement somewhere to subvert our elections. I didn't get the impression they dragged the river, either.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com

[RubyDuby in GA]

18. If anyone in the state of Georgia

with half a brain in their heads doesn't vote by absentee ballot, I'll personally come kick their ass.

And Cathy Cox needs to be bitch slapped for her role in this debacle.

[Boredtodeath]

19. Absentee in GA does no good

The absentee ballots are scanned into the same GEMS tabulation system and then filed away never to be seen again.

GA's SoS has defined the only legal ballot as the ELECTRONIC version. Your absentee ballot cannot be referred to in a recount or to determine voter intent.

Once scanned, they may as well shred the paper.

[napi21]

26. I live in Ga and have heard this too. I'm using the early voting

so I don't have to wait in the long lines, but that's no better guarantee that some fraud won't take place when the data is sent to Atlanta for consolidation.

I still question how Cleland and Barnes lost.

[Boredtodeath]

44. Uh oh, early voting just blew up in Cox's face

Votes raise red flag on potential for fraud
Fulton man who cast 2 ballots stirs questions on early polling

By CARLOS CAMPOS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 09/29/04

The case of a Fulton County man facing possible felony charges for voting twice in the July primary has raised questions about the potential for fraud through a new early voting initiative.

Buckhead resident Craig Kidd has acknowledged that he voted twice in July. Kidd said he voted first in the five-day period preceding the election known as advance voting. Kidd said that on the day of the election the following Tuesday, he went to his precinct to make sure he had been recorded as having cast a ballot. Kidd said a poll worker told him he was not listed as having voted early, and advised him to vote again to be sure his vote was counted.

Kidd contacted The Atlanta Journal-Constitution later that day to alert reporters that he was concerned some people were being allowed to vote twice, since it appeared that Fulton County was not keeping track of who had voted early. Kidd worked for the state Senate campaign of Republican Shawn Davis and served as a poll watcher for the Republican Party.

After learning of Kidd's actions, Secretary of State Cathy Cox's office recommended last week that Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard consider pursuing felony charges of voting twice in the same election.

snip....

Sullivan said Kidd's advance vote was tossed out after it was discovered. Early votes are marked with a numbered identification in case they are later challenged, Sullivan said.

snip....

Cox's decision to pursue the matter outraged Randy Evans, the Republican representative on the state Election Board chaired by Cox.

During the meeting Wednesday, Evans charged that Cox, a Democrat, is pursuing criminal charges because the voter is a Republican.

Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/election/0904georgia/30voting.html

[RubyDuby in GA]

30. I serve on the vote review panel in my county

And we personally get to see every absentee ballot before and after scanning.

I counted during the primaries because I don't trust the machines. All were counted correctly. I'll be counting again in November.

But since you put it like that, what's the point of voting at all in Georgia since the info can be so easily manipulated?

[Boredtodeath]

34. Do you get to see the Early Votes (also an absentee precinct)?

And, in reference to your question about voting, I can only say your SoS has made every effort to make it pointless.

It might make sense to ask the SoS that question the next time you see her.

[0007]

27. How do they bitch slap in Georgia? Cuz I don't think it would

meet the requirements for Cathy Cox.

[RubyDuby in GA]

31. Good point

Reach across your body with whatever hand you use. Twist a little at the waist to ensure good leverage. Using the back of your hand, haul off and slap the crap out of her for getting us into such a godawful mess.

Please feel free to instruct me in other, perhaps more effective, ways.

[0007]

40. Sounds like the folks in Georgia can learn something from the

folks in Texas.

In Texas they start off with an open hand but as the arm and hand moves rapidly through space the hand is made into a ball, (some call it a fist) so fast that no human eye can detect the fist! One can only hear the results when it lands somewhere on the head. Then as the victim is falling to the ground a swift kick to the stomach before victim falls to the ground. This is a Texas Bitch slap

I'm indeed from Colorado. But have seen the Texas bitch slap technique. Next week I'll go into detail how the Colorado bitch slap differs from both Georgia and Texas. Stay tuned!

[RubyDuby in GA]

45. I am breathlessly awaiting this!

I feel it's always a good thing to open yourselves up to new things.
I feel schooled now. :headbang:

[Zorra]

20. Maybe the DLF got into a warehouse somewhere and ripped off a bunch

of the machines,:argh:and the authorities aren't 'fessin up because they are afraid of starting a national trend.

[truthisfreedom]

22. DEMAND THAT DIEBOLD RELEASE WHO OWNS THAT MACHINE. i have a small

electronics manufacturing company and i know EXACTLY who purchased each and every unit i have manufactured since i started the company 10 years ago, and i can find that information in a matter of minutes for anything sold in the last 3 years.

DIEBOLD AND WHOEVER OWNED THAT MACHINE MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

[Boredtodeath]

23. Diebold is controlled by Open Records/Sunshine laws

Once Diebold took state funds for their product, they came under that state's open records laws.

Just do an open records request.

[cthrumatrix]

41. sure they will do that..... Nov 3rd

[Boredtodeath]

42. GA law requires an answer within 3 days

With $100.00/day fines if the deadline is not met.

[6th Borough]

24. In a bar???

Wonder if it was reprogrammed into one of those touch screen bar games that rewards you with a low-res nudie pic if you win...

[rooboy]

32. It's the "Lovematic Grampa" n/t

[Pale_Rider]

29. Just Diebold dumping ...

... inventory.

:kick:

[pinkpops]

33. decompile

[VegasWolf]

36. Reverse Engineered Successfully. Look out for nov2-trojan-1.