NRA ad campaign portrays Kerry as poodle

[quaoar]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apelection_story.asp?category=1131&slug=Campaign%20Ads%20Guns

WASHINGTON -- Sen. John Kerry is portrayed as a sweater-wearing poodle with a pink bow in an upcoming advertising campaign by the National Rifle Association, mocking his attempts to portray himself as friendly to gun sports and saying, "That dog don't hunt."

"John Kerry says he supports sportsmen's rights. But his record says something else," the ads say.

Billboards and newspaper ads will run this week, followed by TV commercials, Chris W. Cox, the group's chief lobbyist, said Wednesday. The NRA also plans to emblazon the slogan and the poodle on mailings, hats and T-shirts.

The ad campaign, which the group says will cost several million dollars, is a play on the old saying that means something is so outrageous that it can't be true.

[David Dunham]

1. Kerry should sick the FBI on the felons in the NRA after he wins.

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. Kerry will support free speech

rather than using law enforcement to attack his political enemies.

[OutInTheBack40]

30. More information please

What known felons in the NRA are you referring to? If there are un-arrested felons in any group they need arrested now! Is there a URL or link to these felons that you mentioned?

[Just Me]

31. Seriously,...that is a GREAT question!!!!

Not so much with respect to "un-arrested felons" as to ex-convicts or known militants and domestic terrorists who are members of that group.

WELCOME TO DU!!!! :bounce:

:hi:

[Democat]

2. In the history of the United States, there has never been a worse campaign

Bush has run the most pathetic, anti-American, mud slinging, lying, cheating, law breaking campaign in U.S. history.

There is no question and you can bet that no other campaign has ever come close to being this disgusting.

[TrogL]

29. This may be good

Hopefully it will show some swing voters what these people are really like now they've taken the gloves off.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Funny how all those macho NRA types aren't volunteering for Iraq,,,

Ya know, some might think they're the cowards hiding behind guns at home...

[mrbassman03]

14. Yeah, the guns in the constitution...

are to protect the good 'ole US of A. They can't waste their ammo on some eee-rack-ees.

[Junkdrawer]

18. Generally speaking, gun nuts are fearful folks...

If you're sleeping with a loaded gun near by, I'd say fear is a big factor in your life. But I guess I could be wrong....

[DoNotRefill]

32. Why?

I sleep with a loaded gun close by. It's not out of fear, it's out of preparedness. I also have fire extinguishers and smoke alarms scattered around the house. That doesn't mean I'm terrified of fire, it just means that I'm prepared if there's a fire. I also have insurance for the car and house, not out of fear, but out of basic preparedness.

Bad things happen. By being prepared, you're able to mitigate the effects if it should happen to you.

[Columbia]

40. You only have one life to live after all

What's wrong in protecting it?

[MrBenchley]

48. You got that right...

You will notice the leadership of this scummy organization are pretty much all chickenhawks...board member Ted Nugent crapped himself at his draft physical on purpose.

The leadership is also openly bigoted, and several are convicted felons.

[wtmusic]

22. They really don't like it when something shoots back n/t

[lightbulb]

4. Kerry really did shoot himself in the foot

(sorry) when he talked about how he loved crawling around on his belly hunting for a deer with a shotgun. He would have looked a lot better if he just said he didn't really know anything about hunting. Oh well, guess he tried.

[w4rma]

6. You are ill informed, lightbulb. (nt)

[patdem]

10. Lightbulb..you DO understand that when you hunt on 'flatlands'

you CANNOT use a rifle, because the bullet travels even miles...and can kill a person (if you miss the deer) in another county???

Virginia has 'shotgun only' hunting rules in the 'flatlands'...So I suggest you 'get a clue'!!!

On edit...posting a link to prove my ascertion: http://www.dgif.state.va.us/hunting/managed_hunts/raap_faq.html

[DoNotRefill]

17. Ummm...that's for hunting on a military reservation....

the Radford Army Ammunition Plant, in a highly controlled managed hunt environment. It's neither in the flatlands, nor is it all of Virginia. It's perfectly legal in most of Virginia to hunt deer with a rifle, even in the piedmont and tidewater.

On edit: It's generally not the best idea to run around shooting rifles in a plant that manufactures missiles and explosives. The RAAP periodically explodes all on it's own, so high-powered rifle fire is generally discouraged.

[CarinKaryn]

11. Can you shut the f up?

And hold your criticism of Sen. Kerry until after he wins, if at all?
What's your purpose in being on this board?

[lightbulb]

23. My purpose in being on this board

Is to discuss liberal politics and politicians in a rational and open-minded manner, which includes both praise for our candidates' strengths and criticism of their weaknesses. DU is, after all, a progressive forum where honest observations about the occasional stumbles made by "our guy" are not immediately attacked as some sort of blasphemy or as thought crimes.

That said, I respectfully refuse to ever, ever shut the f up, whether the request is made by you or John Ashcroft, and I look forward to discussing the ups and downs of Mr. Kerry for some time to come.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Oh piss off. We know exactly why you're here. Take a hike.

[lightbulb]

49. Why do you continue to be so hostile?

How can you know "exactly why I'm here" based on one post criticizing one thing that Kerry said? I'd be less offended by your attacks if I'd just stopped by to start a flame war, but that's not my intention at all. Maybe I don't have over 1000 DU posts to my name, but I've been reading and contributing here for the past 2 years, and nearly all of my views are pretty far left of center.

It gets hard to think of this place a supportive liberal community when people jump down your throat at the slightest provocation. And I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[stepnw1f]

27. Thank You! (nt)

[wtmusic]

12. From someone who's spent a lot of time crawling around

on my belly hunting deer with a shotgun -- you're FOS. :eyes:

[lightbulb]

16. I'd love to hear more

But just being told I'm full of shit or other such belligerence doesn't go very far in educating me. I've hunted birds with shotguns, and understand that deer are usually hunted with rifles equipped with scopes. If could give me a link or something explaining the practice of hunting deer with a shotgun I'll gladly give it a good read.

[Career Prole]

20. Here...I'll even sell you some shotgun slugs for deer

if you actually hunt.


Upon impact the maximum expansion of the soft lead slug (essentially a .62 caliber bullet) produces devastatingly lethal results. The Lightfield Hybred EXP is "The Standard by Which Other Slugs are Judged."

[DoNotRefill]

21. lightbulb, it's common practice here ar least to hunt deer...

with both rifles and shotguns.

You're familiar with the way shot is classified, right? You've got O, OO, and OOO Buckshot, right? The word "buckshot" comes from the fact that it's suitable to take bucks, male deer.

Normally, if you're hunting deer, you don't go crawling through the brush with a shotgun. That's generally unsafe, uncomfortable, and noisy as hell. But if you're in a treestand, you can indeed take deer with a shotgun.

[lightbulb]

25. Thanks DoNotRefill

It's good to be corrected in an informative way rather than being insulted. Yes I had heard of shotgun slugs, but didn't know they were commonly used to hunt Deer. I've only known people who hunt in the Sierra Nevada, and they only use rifles.

Most of the flack Kerry got for his statement came from the "crawling on my belly" claim. It just gave folks the impression that he was trying to be someone he's not with regard to hunting.

[DrWeird]

35. Actually...

It seems like your post was trying to give the impression that somebody who did know what he was talking about didn't know what he was talking about and this was from somebody who clearly didn't know what he was talking.

[Radius]

24. Deer Hunting..

Varies by geographical areas. Near large populations rules require use of shotguns or bows rather than centerfire rifles. Shotgun hunters usually use slugs. Basically a chunk of lead. They have a reduced range. Buckshot is usable but not as effective. Stalking deer on foot, or belly, is usually not to productive because the deer has a huge advantage in hearing, and smell. I have never met an adult who hunts this way. Kids do because it is more fun because you don't have to sit around. But that doesn't make it "wrong". Most hunters either still hunt from a tree stand or blind, or run deer with dogs. Some dog hunters, smart ones, use shotguns because it is unwise to fire a high powered rifles around other people.

NE is mostly shotgun land. SE, and west have fewer people and longer distances and use rifles with effective shots usually no more than 5 or 6 hundred yards.

Personal experience.

[lazarus]

47. a buddy of mine does it

He stalks them with a bow. Tells me one day he wants to stalk one and kill it with nothing but a spear.

He hasn't used a gun (except in competition) in years.

[UpsideDownFlag]

37. have you heard of rifled slugs? (nice explanatory post)

link to description:

http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870spssprslug.htm

[Career Prole]

19. Well, someone certainly shot themself in the foot...

Population: 85,000 to 95,000 statewide. Densities range from about 10 per square mile in northwestern Massachusetts to 50 to 60 per square mile on Nantucket Island.

Management Framework: Population is managed in 15 deer management zones (DMZs). Goal densities are set as policy by the Fisheries and Wildlife Board. Hunting seasons, bag limits, and antlerless deer permit numbers are set to achieve goal densities.

Hunting: Three major seasons; Archery, Shotgun, Muzzleloader. Deer hunting with rifles in Massachusetts is prohibited. There is no hunting on Sundays.

Season dates for 2004:

Archery season: October 11 - November 20

Shotgun season: DMZs 1-11, & 14 (Nantucket), November 29 - December 11
DMZs 12 & 13 (Cape Cod & Martha's Vineyard), November 29 - December 4

Muzzleloader: December 13 - December 31

http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_deer_management_overview.htm

[LiberalEsto]

5. Actually poodles were hunting dogs at one time.

Nobody ever accused the NRA folks of being intelligent.

Now picture an ad with * protrayed as a nasty little yapping chihuahua, peeing puddles on the floor and sinking its little fangs in people's ankles.

Feel better?

[neuvocat]

8. How about a chimp on a voter's back?

You know, the voter goes to vote and the chimp pesters the hell out of the voter so much he or she doesn't want to bother voting and then there's a message about voting so the chimp won't bother him or her anymore?

Hot damn! I'm sending that idea to moveon.org!!!

[mrbassman03]

15. oh, to see that on TV...

That would be a good day for advertising...

[DBoon]

36. Water dogs, like retrievers

"poodle" = "puddle" get it?

Extremely intelligent dogs, too.

I think most poodles are smarter than the current inhabitant of the white house.

[LiberalFighter]

44. Absolutely... my toy poodle

If the barrier is not properly in place she gets out.
She knows when I am going to pick someone up and that she will be coming along.
She knows when I am going to work and will stay home.
She knows what she has to do to let me know that she has to go potty.

[DBoon]

46. GWB still hasn't mastered that last one yet

eom

[Medium Baby Jesus]

9. Payback to Bush for letting AWB expire

We knew it was coming.

[SoCalDem]

13. Infantile slander... Would we expect anything else?

It's the "rah-rah, go-team-go" factor, that's all. BUT until we start making sure that intelligent people vote in overwhelming numbers, the stupidest among us will choose our leaders:(

Simple people can only absorb simple messages.. Advertising has proven that people can be made to believe anything, if it's told to them in just the right way..

Propaganda convinced a whole lot of people in Germany..
it convinced a whole lot of people right into Manzanar
It convinced a whole lot of "communist-hunters" in the 50's

It works..and unless people are taught in school or at home, ways to resist it, and spot it, no one is safe from it.:(

[devinsgram]

26. The only people

that will listen to them are the ones already voting for * . All they are doing is wasteing their money.

[WeedWhacker]

28. The NRA and GOP disregard human life

The people who are more dirty in the NRA are quite the devils with their disregard for human life. There is no need to have most of the population own heavy assault weapons, kinds that our founding fathers didn't even have when they wrote the principles of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The fake lefty movement types say, "We need heavy assault weapons to defend the nation if the Govt. turns against us!" Oh come on, you can't be serious. Like you would stand any chance against John Ashcroft, much less Dick Cheney and Tom Ridge. They would have you at an all expense paid trip to Abu Ghriab/The newly freed Iraq/ Guantamino Bay/Cuba and their new location, Anytown, USA! You can look foreward to extensive hours of anal probing and torture! It's not the best way to lose weight.

I live in Southern California. I remember that night when many LAPD officers were shot down, by 3 madmen as a bank robbery went bad. They were in some kind of basic armor and very heavy legal assault weapons. These guys mowed down the police. It was carnage like some kind of Val Kilmar movie. The only way they finally took em out was when the police went to the weapon stores and got some very heavy assault rifles. It was after that event which Bill Clinton has passed several good gun control laws.

There is no constitutional threat to the current assault weapon law. The constutional problem is with John Ashcrot, Dick Cheney, George Bush Jr.(41), Tom Ridge, and other madmen. These are the same money circles as those in bed with the NRA. You can't their throw your monkey poop around and call it defending the Constition.

[DoNotRefill]

34. Ummm...I assume you're talking about the Bank of America shootout...

there were two guys, not three. They were wearing extensive body armor. And they had illegal machineguns, not "semi-automatic assault weapons" (which was what was regulated by the 1994 AW ban). Machineguns are categorically illegal for private ownership in California, and heavily regulated nationally. By possessing the guns that they did, they were committing multiple federal felonies, even before they robbed the bank. And the felonies they committed had nothing to do with the 1994 AW ban, which didn't affect the kinds of guns involved.

[OutInTheBack40]

33. Is this the ad/picture that is in question?

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

How many of the thumbdown bullets are true if any?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Why don't you do the research and get back to us?

[n2mark]

41. Another

political ploy from the WH. God, please protect us from these thugs. Just let any one come to my house from Homeland Security, FBI, CIA--- I've got my machine gun at my side! This now legal. Then I'll sic my five pit bull dogs with their pink bows on them and yell "dinner." They are always hungry.

Hey, just joking I don't own pit bulls, I have two wimpy senior cocker spaniels. But, how I would like to do this!

[n2mark]

42. In addition

Have I told you lately (Mike Malloy) how much I hate these thugs?

[n2mark]

43. So....

If Kerry is a poodle, what does that make Shrub?

[Carolab]

45. Uh, dunno...

the worst president in U.S. history? Or, possibly, Karl Rove's BITCH?