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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 07:36 AM
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Russia backs Kyoto climate treaty
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3702640.stm

The Russian government has approved the Kyoto Protocol on climate change and sent it to parliament for ratification.
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The necessary law on ratification is set to pass through the Russian parliament unhindered and, in theory, the treaty could come into force within three months.

The lower house, the State Duma, is dominated by the pro-Putin United Russia party.
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In particular, there has been talk of stronger European Union support for Russia's bid to join the World Trade Organization, in response to its ratification of the treaty.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 07:40 AM
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1. Wow, never thought I'd see the day that Russia's policies were
more environmental friendly than the USA's. MKJ
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 08:00 AM
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2. Woo Hoo!
Kyoto is certainly not perfect, but it is a start.

So my questions now are...

What is Kerry's position on Kyoto? I scanned the JK website but couldn't find specifics

If Kyoto has come into effect by Russia signing, will a JK administration sign on?

Is this another sign of divisions between USA and Russia? and Bush's declining influence? Does Putin believe Bush is going to lose? Is the EU's carrot bigger than Bush's?

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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 08:40 AM
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3. Putin is tough negotiator
He milked this deal well, even though Kyoto in it self is good deal for Russia, it gets BIG emission quotas to sell (they are calculated from the time before the collapse of Russias heavy industry).
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 09:21 AM
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4. I thought that emission credits were based more on carbon sinks
That also explains the amount of credits that Russia has to sell, when one takes into account the forests that cover much of the Siberian region.

Strangely, the United States also would have had a significant number of carbon sinks to offset industrial emissions. The whole trading scheme based on carbon sinks was viewed by many environmentalists as one of the downfalls of the accord (downfalls as in the accord didn't go far enough), and it STILL wasn't seen as permissive enough by the US business community.

If anything, this should just show how out-of-whack the US business community truly is.... :crazy:
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:05 PM
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9. Don't know
Carbon sinks feature some significant way, but I'm not sure what's actually Kyoto and what EU policies about them. Russia's emissions are 30% below the year that Kyoto quotas were agreed upon.
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GreenGreenLimaBean Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 09:43 AM
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5. kick
this is big news, and a blow to bush*.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 09:53 AM
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6. A unintended gift for China n/t
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mdbeliever Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:04 AM
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7. Hopefully this comes up in the debate tonight -
otherwise it will get buried under debate news.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:14 PM
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8. big news
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:04 PM
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10. Very big...
gonna kick it back up :)

Sid
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:22 PM
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11. Good for you Russia
You have put the United States to shame today. Fuckin' Bush.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:37 PM
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12. * is a disgrace for ditching the Kyoto Protocol.
One of the first things chimp did after stealing the wh.

I haven't heard asshole*'s plan for an alternative to the KP.

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