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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:03 AM
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Cleveland pitcher Kyle Denney shot in calf while riding on team bus
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-indians-pitchershot&prov=ap&type=lgns

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- A Cleveland Indians pitcher was shot in the right calf when a bullet pierced the team's bus and grazed another player late Wednesday night.

Team trainers were able to remove the bullet from the calf of Kyle Denney, who was expected to spend the night in the hospital but was not seriously hurt, club spokesman Bart Swain said.

The rest of the team was unharmed. The shooting occurred as the team rode to Kansas City International Airport after a game with the Kansas City Royals.

Swain said the shot was fired into the side of one of the Indians' two buses while it was on a ramp between Interstate 435 and I-70, grazing outfielder Ryan Ludwick.

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I don't know what the hell is wrong with our country.
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snoogins Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:05 AM
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1. Assault weapons ban removed - nothing shocking
More guns! More death! it is the bush way.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:45 AM
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6. Oh lord....
Wake the hell up...the AWB didn't stop anyone from buying a gun, it stopped manufacturers from selling NEW ones.

This would have happened regardless and using it as a tool for gun control only weakens your arument.

Ugh.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:05 PM
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8. I guarantee you
this incident could not have taken place with a baseball bat.

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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:56 PM
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16. LOL
Yeah, I guarantee you that you're right. We should ban all guns, and then to be safe we should ban all sharp objects, firm objects, plastic bags (oh the suffocation!), and fists!

My point is that people that use the AWB reaching the "sunset" (written into the bill when passed) as a reason why any violent act occurs now-a-days only makes the argument weak. Stick to real correlations and you may get somewhere.

Tools (guns, knives, bows, rocks) don't kill people. Violence and hatred do.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-04 06:31 AM
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20. "Stick to real correlations and you may get somewhere."
Nah, I don't think so. No more chance of changing a gun advocate's mind than there is of changing a Creationist's mind. I've found the argument style to be the same. For example, your statement here about banning everything, in response to my observation that less lethal damage is done by people without guns than by those with them. It's that over-the-top kind of answer that doesn't get us anywhere.

Besides, I disagree with your cliche. If a plastic bag is over someone's head, the cause of death is suffocation, regardless of who or what may have placed it there.

The culture of violence has to end somewhere.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:29 PM
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10. Article says nothing about what type of weapon was used
But given the fact that a (leather?) boot all but stopped the bullet it was probably nothing more powerful than your grandpa's .22 squirrel rifle.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:18 PM
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12. Well, how conveniently you didn't notice
that the bullet pierced the bus first.
:eyes:
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:23 PM
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14. Oops. Care to revise your assessment, Slackmaster? n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:26 PM
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18. Actually I did notice that
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 03:51 PM by slackmaster
Any bullet will pierce the wall of a bus. They're made of aluminum. A bullet from a typical "assault weapon" like a 5.56 NATO or 7.62 Soviet round would still be capable of doing serious damage after a bus wall and a leather boot.

Mr. Denny should be very glad he wasn't shot with a hunting rifle (and I can almost guarantee he wasn't).
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jumpstart33 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:08 PM
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17. One thing we do know: It was a gun!
People don't shoot people, guns do!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:28 PM
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19. The expiration of the "assault weapons" ban did not create more guns
They've been around longer than the country has and they're not about to go away.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:05 AM
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2. Too many guns, not enough brains.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:17 AM
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3. What happened to good old booing

and throwing garbage on the field ?
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:39 AM
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4. His Go Go boots helped
He was wearing Go Go boots and a cheerleading outfit. The team made him wear them because it is some rookie prank thing. The bullet hit his boot. Poor guy.
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:41 AM
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5. Bad thing to say, but
Knowing the traffic jams on that ramp, I can almost understand it.

Back in the 70's when I lived there I remember someone getting killed in the parking lot, but have heard of nothing since. That was a drunk Yankee fan mouthed off to a drunk redneck, who fractured his skull with a cooler. Thats when they banned bringing coolers in the K.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 11:46 AM
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7. Is there a jinx on Cleveland pitchers?
They seem to sustain more than their share of bad luck. I remember the boating incident a number of years back where at least one was killed and two injured; it seems to me that there was something else in between then and now.
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Scootman78 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 12:46 AM
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21. Yeah....the Finley vs. Kitaen incident
Chuck Finley was attacked by his wife Tawny Kitaen (who went wacko). I think this was in 2001 (?)

The Cleveland Indians have always been full of bad luck, and not just the pitchers. The 1997 World Series was the Tribe's to win, and then there was the infamous phantom tag on second by the Marlins that won the series for Florida and was the beginning of the end for the Indians.

It also doesn't help that the press has totally burned Cleveland over the years - unfairly of course. It always seems like the underdogs (who I always root for) are the ones who get the worst luck of all. Damn Yankees are ruining it for everyone...institute a salary cap I say!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:06 PM
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9. Does that count as an error? (N/T)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:30 PM
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11. Errors are defined by opinions of professional sports writers
I believe the standard is three writers have to agree before an indicent is counted officially as an error.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:23 PM
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13. Are the Cleveland Indians so bad that people are shooting at them?
I know, its not all that funny. Sorry.
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Scootman78 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 12:50 AM
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22. Its actually Kansas City...
The fact that the Kansas City Royals are so bad is why the awful luck spread to the Indians.

Cleveland's in 3rd place in the Central - ahead of Detroit and Kansas City.

The bad thing for the Tribe is that they can't find chemistry. They definitely have the talent - probably one of the top three talented teams (including farm players) in the league. It all comes down to chemistry...either that or New York's $220 million payroll (no chemistry, but the best sell-out sluggers money can buy).
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:48 PM
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15. Shooter must have been a Royals pitcher
They haven't hit anything they've aimed at all year


What gets me about this story, apart from the fact that the victim was dressed up like a USC cheerleader, is that they decided to keep going to the airport after they learned one of their players had been shot. There's a psycho on the overpass, shooting at cars and they have to make their plane for their big weekend series against the Twins, 11.5 games out of first?
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Scootman78 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 12:55 AM
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23. Would've been a forfeit...
Baseball and football have stupid rules. Rod Smart was fined by the Carolina Panthers because he missed practice while taking care of his family in Florida during the hurricane this past weekend. "He Hate Me" probably never felt so hated.

The Devil Rays were close to having their game against the precious Yankees due to a Hurricane too. If the Panthers and Yankees couldn't wait for mother nature, I'm sure Cleveland didn't want to take the chance that the Twins could wait for gunshot wounds.
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