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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:31 PM
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Pentagon wants 'uplifting accounts' about Iraq; will 'curtail' bad news
Thursday morning in Baghdad multiple car bombs and rocket attacks killed at least 40 people, including many children and several US soldiers. The Bush administration, The Washington Post reports Thursday, worried that negative stories like these are dominating the news headlines during an election period, has decided to send out Iraq Americans to bring what the Defense Department calls "the good news" about the situation in Iraq to US military bases.

The Post also reports that the administration is moving to "curtail distribution" of reports that show the situation in Iraq growing worse. In particular, the US Agency of International Development said this week that it will "restrict distribution" of a report by its contractor, Kroll Security International, that showed the number of attacks by insurgents had been increasingly dramatically over the past few months. Attacks have risen to 70 a day, up from 40-50, since Iraqi Prime Minister Alawi took office in June.

--SNIP--

In one sign that the administration and the military are working harder to keep a lid on negative stories, Salon reports that an Army Reserve staff sargent from Texas, with 20 years experience who is now serving in Iraq, may face up to 20 years in prison for "disloyalty and insubordination."The reason? He wrote an article criticizing the occupation of Iraq on an anti-war website, LewRockwell.com. The article contained no classified information. In his commentary, Sgt. Al Lorentz offered a "bleak assessment" of the situation.


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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:35 PM
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1. The Stalingrad Gambit
Just like all the good news the German people received about the Battle for Stalingrad.
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jumpstart33 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:05 PM
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38. Kerry needs to point this out TONIGHT!! Squashing the news doesn't
mean we are being successful! This is shades of Viet Nam all over again. Kerry knows first hand what that war was like how the lies and deceits of administration idealogues and liars kept the American public blind to the truth much the same way the Rovians are doing now with Bush as the liar-in-Chief!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:38 PM
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2. Did Anyone See CBS Story About Iraqi's Bolting From Iraq
because it is so unsafe?

Hundreds of people standing in long lines every day to get visas, passports. They don't want to leave their country, but feel they have no choice.

Send out Iraqi American's - that's a concept. Little Chilabi's running around spinning a rosie picture of what's goin on in a country they no longer live in!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:41 PM
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3. Gen. Harkins, Gen. Paul Harkins, Please Pick Up The White Paging Telephone
For those who may not remember this epitome of military hackdom, he's the guy in the early 1960s in Nam who insisted that everything was fine, just fine. Pay no attention to that growing insurgency! President Diem has everything well in hand!

He's also the guy who demanded that his daily Situation Report be called the Headway Report instead. Same old PR bullshit, time after time after time.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:48 PM
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7. they no longer call them body bags
they're "transfer tubes"
no one likes talking about vietnam. the parralels are astounding.if you want to scream look at the history books they are feeding the children.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:59 PM
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15. I hear that "Comical Ali" might be open to take the position
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=880&id=512002003

Saddam's information minister stayed loyal to the last

WHEN it came to the crunch, Mohammed Said al-Sahhaf ducked out by the back door, with a scarf around his head replacing his famous black beret.

But the former Iraqi information minister did his job until the very last minute, ordering radio station officials to keep on broadcasting a speech by Saddam Hussein, before making his bid for freedom.

Sahhaf, nicknamed "Comical Ali" for his eccentric denials that Iraqi forces were being overrun, is reported to have hidden in a radio studio in Baghdad until 10 April, a day after the former dictator’s statue was toppled in the heart of the capital.

Raibah Hassan, the manager at the Hikmat studio, who claims to be the last person to have seen Sahhaf in public, said the former minister decided the game was up in the early hours of the morning.

"Sahhaf slowly removed his black beret. He folded down the epaulettes on his jacket to hide his rank and then he reached for a red and white kaffiyeh scarf," he said in an interview with the Sunday Telegraph.

"He wrapped it around his head as he told us to keep on re-broadcasting until 3am. He said goodbye and then disappeared out of the back door.

<snip>

"He pushed it to the very end. I saw American tanks on Haifa Street across the river and I asked him about it. He said, ‘No, no, no, maybe there are two or three tanks, but they will go’," said Mr Hassan.

Ever faithful, Sahhaf even remained in place, making sure the regime’s message was broadcast, while the streets around the studio, which is in the Adhamiyah district, near to one of Saddam’s biggest palaces, were being looted.

...more...

According to Mr Hassan, Sahhaf, who has been offered a television deal by a Dubai-based channel should he re-emerge, arrived at the station on 8 April, bringing with him a team of aides.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:43 PM
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34. commentator on Abu Dhabi Television, Oct 2003
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-04 12:42 AM
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53. kick!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:43 PM
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4. OK: tell me some good news. (waiting, twirling thumbs)
Well? What can the Pentagon say? Let's see......

1) The Good News is.....at least it wasn't 4,000 people killed today in Iraq. Some people actually got away UNSCATHED. How nice.

2) We still have 133,479 troops still alive in Iraq. They are all living and breathing, see?

3) There's still oil in those hot Iraqi sands. That's good news. Although they won't say that, trust me.

4) The sun rose over Baghdad this morning. That's nice.

5) Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi will be having a birthday next month. That's great. We'll cater a nice party for him and make sure to serve lots of yummy food.

6) Anything else?
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:44 PM
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5. These guys are fucking cowards, pure and simple...
They created an absolute clusterfuck and now they're afraid to face the consequences of their shitheaded actions. This administration is the worst our country has ever had, and they're quite possibly at the top of the list of worst leaders in world history. This bunch is craven, cowardly and absolutely delusional about this mess they've created. They cannot bear to hear just how badly they've fucked things up. Shame on this gang of cowering fools. Fuck them and damn them all to hell.

/rant
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:48 PM
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8. oooh..nice rant!
well said!
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:54 PM
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13. Effin right! nt
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:45 PM
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6. New def. of victory?: not having "100 percent hatred"
snip>
And the Glenville Pioneer Press Online of Illinois talked to US Marine Cpl. Marine Josh Junge. While he came to realize that the US won't have 100 percent support in Iraq, it also won't have "100 percent hatred." Cpl. Junge also said he believes conditions in Iraq are slowly improving, and he supports President Bush's reasons for going to Iraq.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:50 PM
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9. Guess those Fuckers don't want to hear from me
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 12:52 PM by saigon68
"You know what really galls me? How those that seem to yell loudest for war have never seen one. They've never seen a buddy disappear from the waist up after a shell hit, then see his legs stand there for a moment before falling over. They never saw a friend all psyched up about going home tomorrow after finishing his tour get hit in the belly with shrapnel, see his guts spill out, then watch him try to gather up his intestines lying in the dirt."

"They never saw what napalm does do a little girl's skin. They never saw a 19-year-old from Iowa screaming and writhing on the ground because a mine blew his legs off. They never saw a man take a bullet through the brain, then watch his body flop around on the ground for a minute or so because it doesn't realize he's dead. They never put pieces of someone into a bag, not knowing who it was until you read the tags, because there wasn't any face left to go along with the other parts. They haven't seen the shit I've seen, and they want to do it all over again. Those bastards"

a homeless man rambling to to Al Hambridge Jr. at the Wall--Washington D. C. Jan 2003---- prior to "THE GREAT LIBERATION" and the start of IRAQ-NAM
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:17 PM
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20. How I wish that man could say
those words to the pieholed POS in our WH. Better yet, the swaggering little pissant of a pResident needs to experience just what this man described.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 05:48 PM
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45. The "little pissant" would probably just enjoy it
as psycopaths are wont to do.

:-(
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:50 PM
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10. Ah yes, let's play some Georgian chants while the think tanks
and work shops figure out how to churn out cheerful and delightful news of the happenings in Iraq.

Give me a fucking break!

"Meanwhile, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's office has sent commanders of U.S. military facilities a five-page memorandum titled "Guidance to Commanders."

"The memo says the presentations are "designed to be uplifting accounts with good news messages." Rumsfeld's office, which will pay for the tour, recommends that the installations seek local news coverage, noting that "these events and presentations are positive public relations opportunities."

The propaganda game isn't even trying to hide the fact anymore, is it?

I wonder if we'll see those five Iraqis that had one hand cut off by Saddam Hussein again? I'm more than sure we will!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:51 PM
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11. Hmmm . . .
I hear that grunt communications via email/sat phone will be clamped down until "early November", and rumors that ops would (a) get real busy between now and then, or (b) lay back until then.

The comm slow-down seems to be real (at least in al Anbar); anyone else notice?

And the Good News Guys are creeping out in force obviously, starting back with Gen. Abizaid a few days ago trying to find nice things to say and pointing out how the media don't see the pretty.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:03 PM
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16. Just like earlier in the summer immediately after the transition...
... when Bushie complained about all the media ignoring the positives. News reports of insurgent attacks and other chaos were shifted from the front pages.

Basically, facts and truth are the bane of the Bush-Cheney 2004 reselection campaign.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:52 PM
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12. Saddest of all:
about 1/2 of our fellow citizens would think this was just fine!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:55 PM
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14. Wait till their kids get drafted
They'll squeal like stuck pigs then. The pigs they are and with out connections---- Jr will get to go, get shot at, by the "Rag Heads" </Rant>
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:25 PM
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21. Excerpts from "Johnny Got His Gun" by Dalton Trumbo, 1939...
This was written just before the Germans invaded Poland in 1939. The author's intent was to show the REAL horrors of war based on the events of WWI.

<http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/General/JohnnyGotHisGun.html>
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highnooner Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:33 PM
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22. Re: Sgt. Al Lorentz
He actually may be in violation of Article 34 of the UMCJ.

Here is an explanation: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl134-12.htm

However, there is nothing about a 20-year sentence.

Maximum punishment. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 3 years.



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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:43 PM
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51. And to get that they have to get around Averch vs the Secretary of theNavy
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 10:59 PM by happyslug
A 1973 US District Court of Appeals Case
MARK AVRECH, APPELLANT, v. THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
No. 71-1841
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
155 U.S. App. D.C. 352; 477 F.2d 1237; 1973 U.S. App. LEXIS 11035


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Note to Mod, This is a US Court of Appeals Case and as a Court decision is NOT COPYRIGHTABLE thus I am providing the whole case for others to revieew. I down loaded it from Lexis but I have removed all of the Lexis add ons (Which are copyrightable):
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Appellant, Mark Avrech, brought this suit seeking a declaration that his 1969 court-martial conviction was constitutionally invalid under the First and Fifth Amendments and an order that the conviction be expunged from his military record and that he recover all pay and benefits lost by reason of the conviction. n1 Avrech was convicted of violating Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, known as the "General Article," n2 which imposes criminal sanctions on "all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces" and "all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces." n3 More specifically, Avrech was charged with attempting to publish and publishing a statement disloyal to the United States, with design to promote disloyalty and disaffection among the troops. After pleading not guilty, he was acquitted of publishing but found guilty of attempting to publish the article. He complains that the language of Article 134 is unconstitutionally vague and overbroad under the Fifth Amendment in that the Article did not give him fair notice that his contemplated statement was forbidden; he also urges that his statement was protected free speech under the First Amendment. The District Court upheld his conviction. We reverse on the Fifth Amendment ground.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Footnotes - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Footnote 1: The jurisdiction of the District Court is not questioned here nor is the existence of a case or controversy. We find both jurisdiction and justiciability present.

Footnote 2: Article 134, General Article, 10 USC § 934:

"Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court."

The third clause, referring to crimes and offenses not capital, is not in issue in this case. References in the opinion to Article 134 or the General Article are meant to encompass only the first two clauses.

FootNote 3: Maximum punishments under the Uniform Code are fixed in the Manual for Courts -Martial by Executive Order of the President. Article 134 punishments run from 20 years imprisonment and dishonorable discharge for assault with intent to commit murder or rape to one month's imprisonment and forfeiture of two-thirds of one month's pay for, e.g., appearing in an unclean uniform. The offense charged here carries a three year maximum sentence. See Table of Maximum Punishments, Manual for Courts-Martial, 1969.

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Background of the Prosecution:

Avrech enlisted in the Marines in 1967 and was sent to Vietnam in February, 1969, with the rank of private first class. While stationed at Danang and on night duty with the group supply offices, Avrech typed up a stencil criticizing American involvement in Vietnam. It stated:

"I've been in this country now for 40 days and I still don't know why I'm here. I've heard all the arguments about communist aggression and helping the poor defenseless people. I've also heard this three years ago. The entire Vietnamese Army will switch to a pacification role in 1967 and leave major fighting to the American troops. (Statement of South Vietnamese Foreign Minister, L.A. Times, Nov. 18, 1966.) It seems to me that the South Vietnamese people could do a little for the defense of their country. Why should we go out and fight their battles while they sit home and complain about communist aggression. What are we cannon fodder or human beings? If South Vietnam was willing to go it on their own back in 1964 what the hell is the matter with them now? The United States has no business over here. This is a conflict between two different politically minded groups. Not a direct attack on the United States. It's not worth killing American boys to have Vietnam have free elections. (Former Vice President Richard M. Nixon, L.A. Times, December 31, 1967.) That was our present leader of this country and now he has the chance to do something about the situation and what happens. We have peace talks with North Vietnam and the V.C. That's just fine and dandy except how many men died in Vietnam the week they argued over the shape of the table? Why does this country think that it can play games with peoples lives and use them to fight their foolish wars, I say foolish because how can you possibly win anything like a war by destroying human lives. Human lives that have no relation at all to the cause of the conflict. Do we dare express our feelings and opinions with the threat of court-martial perpetually hanging over our heads? Are your opinions worth risking a court - martial? We must strive for peace and if not peace then a complete U.S. withdrawal. We've been sitting ducks for too long. *** SAM *"

Sometime thereafter Avrech asked his immediate superior, Corporal William R. Jackson, who was operating the mimeograph machine in their office, to duplicate the statement or permit him to do so. When Jackson inquired as to the content of the stencil, Avrech replied: "If I tell you that you won't let me run it off." Jackson then refused. Later Avrech let Jackson read the stencil; the latter reproached Avrech and subsequently turned it over to a superior officer. This prosecution followed.

Avrech was sentenced to confinement at hard labor for one month, reduction in rank, and forfeiture of pay for three months. The Commanding Officer suspended the confinement but the remainder of the sentence was sustained by the Staff Judge Advocate and the Judge Advocate General of the Navy. On June 26, 1970, Avrech received a bad conduct discharge after a second and unrelated special court-martial conviction for having stolen a camera from the Navy Exchange. The Navy Court of Military Review, in ordering the discharge, took into account Avrech's conviction here under attack.

The District Court granted the Government's motion for summary judgment, holding that Avrech's statement was not protected by the First Amendment and that Article 134 provides a sufficiently definite warning as to the proscribed conduct and a sufficiently ascertainable standard of guilt to survive the constitutional vagueness challenge.

2. History and Components of Article 134:

We need not pause to detail the history of Article 134. Its antecedents go back to British military sources prior to American Independence. In this country the Constitution entrusted to the Congress the power "to make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces," Article I, § 8, Cl. 14. In 1950, pursuant to this grant, the Congress adopted the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Article 134 of the Code includes three clauses which prohibit (1) "all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces;" (2) "all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces;" and, (3) crimes and offenses not capital (this last clause not being here in issue). The General Article is the American version of an older provision of military law known by the British as the "Devil's Article." A distinguished commentator and leading authority in the field, William Hough, made no attempt to define the "disorders" proscribed in the Article's antecedents, only characterizing them as acts that "more usually take place under circumstances unconnected with duty and are esteemed disorderly or insubordinate conduct." The Practice of Courts-Martial (1825) at 634. Hough's examples of "disorders" included habitual insubordinate language and conduct at the mess, drunkenness, abusing and striking a sentry on duty, and adultery with the wife of a soldier. Id. at 642. Hough defined "neglect" to mean "neglecting to observe standing orders and reigns., or, those orders which are issued and intended to be carried into immediate execution or shortly after." Id. at 633. His examples of "neglect" included <**8> keeping the books in a negligent manner, not reporting infectious diseases to the proper authority, and allowing government goods to be stolen. Id. at 641. The second clause of Article 134, prohibiting "all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces," was originally enacted for the "single purpose" of subjecting retired enlisted men to court-martial punishment for conduct similar to that proscribed under Article 133 for retired officers. Both clauses have been expanded beyond recognition and now encompass the residue of offenses that have sprung up with what were thought to be the necessities of disciplining the ever-increasing population of the armed forces. While the United States Court of Military Appeals has held that conduct condemned by the General Article must be "directly and palpably -- as distinguished from indirectly and remotely -- prejudicial to good order and discipline," United States v. Holiday, 4 USCMA 454, 456 (1954), the Article now encompasses over seventy specific offenses. The listed offenses range from "abusing a public animal" to "disloyalty to the United States" with such offenses as dishonorably failing to pay a <**9> debt, malingering, straggling, pandering, and assault with intent to commit murder in between. This crazy quilt of offenses is patched together in the Manual for Court-Martial, issued as an Executive Order of the President under Article 36 of the Code, which authorizes the President to prescribe" procedure, including modes of proof, in cases before courts-martial." The latest manual, promulgated by an Executive Order of the President, is dated 1969, and known as Manual for Courts-Martial, United States, 1969. The military forces have "amplified" (to use a word employed in the Government's brief) the General Article by including in Appendix 6 -- Forms for Charges and Specifications -- the seventy-odd charges described above. The Executive Order "prescribing" the Manual has saving clauses covering prior investigations, trial after arraignment or other actions begun before its effective date. A further proviso excludes "any act done or omitted prior to the effective date of this manual which was not punishable when done or omitted."

3. The Theory of the Armed Forces:

(1) The Government argues that the Article 134 language here under scrutiny has acquired a core of settled <**10> and understandable content through long tradition and the listing of specific offenses in the Manual. United States v. Frantz, 2 USCMA 161 (1953). In the Frantz case the Court of Military Appeals assumed that civilian vagueness standards apply to the military but concluded that the Article had achieved a meaning sufficiently settled and definite to overcome the vagueness claim. The Government also points to Dynes v. Hoover, 61 U.S. 65, 15 L. Ed. 838 (1858), holding that a military law provision comparable in scope to the General Article was not subject to abuse because the nature of the proscribed conduct and its punishment were "well known by the practical men in the navy and army." At 82. And, Winthrop, Military Law and Precedents (2d Edition 1920), in speaking of military custom, includes those service-wide practices which have prevailed for a long period of time and which are "well defined, equitable and uniform in application." At 42-43.

We believe, however, that today Article 134 gives no fair warning of the conduct it proscribes and fails to provide any ascertainable standard of guilt to circumscribe the discretion of the enforcing authorities. Interpretation of the General Article through the Manual to proscribe some seventy explicit offenses, rather than evidencing settled and understandable meaning, indicates just the contrary. For example, not until 1951 did the disloyalty charge prosecuted here become a badge of infamy within reach of the Manual. And even Frantz, supra, did not crystallize the phantom offenses that could be included within Article 134, for we find the 1969 edition of the Manual continues to expand their number. Indeed, the only apparent purpose of Article 134 is to act as a catch-all for varied types of unforeseen misconduct not otherwise covered by the Code. Though servicemen may be instructed on the meaning and proper applications of Article 134, the Article's development demonstrates that its coverage has no limits. At most, instruction could only inform servicemen of the specific conduct deemed punishable under the Article in the past and of the fact that comparable misconduct may likewise be punished. And often this would not shed much light on the peculiar facts involved in the act under scrutiny since even conduct listed in the Manual must be found prejudicial to good order and discipline or service discrediting. United States v. Gittens, 8 USCMA 673 (1953). Nor can we approve the practice under Article 134 of judicially creating new offenses by analogizing them to previously recognized offenses under that Article. See Everett, Article 134, Uniform Code of Military Justice -- A Study in Vagueness, 37 North Carolina L. Rev. 142, 152-153, 157-158 (1959). For example, the acceptance of money for transporting passengers in a government vehicle, conduct not mentioned in the Manual under Article 134, has been analogized to graft and bribery (three year offenses). United States v. Alexander, 3 USCMA 346 (1953). The Supreme Court recently condemned the "punishment by analogy" approach in Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 U.S. 156, 168-169, 31 L. Ed. 2d 110, 92 S. Ct. 839 (1972): "Such crimes , though long common in Russia, are not compatible with our constitutional system."

Moreover, the old authorities cited bear little weight. Not only has the General Article been expanded beyond recognition, but the greater percentage of our armed forces are today non-career personnel. They are draftees or enlisted personnel with little military experience. Even the "old soldiers" themselves say that the language in Article 134 judged by the void-for-vagueness cases is "unduly indefinite." Wiener, Are the General Military Articles Unconstitutionally Vague? 54 ABA Journal 357, 363 (1968). Furthermore, the highest of judicial authority in the Army recommends the abolition of Article 134 because "we can't defend our use of it in this modern world. It probably could not withstand a 'vague and indefinite' attack in the Supreme Court." Kenneth J. Hodson (Chief Judge, United States Army Court of Military Review), "Perspective, The Manual for Courts-Martial, 1984," 57 Military Law Review 1, 12 (1972). These two officers, the former a distinguished constitutional authority as well as a World War II colonel in the Judge Advocate General's Department, and the latter, himself a renowned former Judge Advocate General as well as the present Chief Judge of the Army's highest court, speak both impressively and authoritatively. And the opinions of the Military Court of Appeals add more weight to this conclusion. It has held repeatedly that the Manual does not limit or confine Article 134. The Manual is not exhaustive of Article 134 misconduct; its crazy quilt of offenses does not cover Article 134's bed. See, e.g., United States v. Sadinsky, 14 USCMA 563 (1964). Further, the inclusion of specific conduct in the Manual specifications does not necessarily mean the conduct is punishable under the Article. United States v. Alexander, 12 USCMA 26 (1960). The Court of Military Appeals has held that it is reversible error for the court-martial law officer not to instruct that acts charged under Article 134 must be found either to have prejudiced good order and discipline or have discredited the armed forces, even though the charges against the accused track the language of a Manual specification. United States v. Gittens, supra. In United States v. Smith, 13 USMCA 105, 119 (1962), the Court held that Congress never delegated the power to make substantive rules by way of the Manual and that the Manual was intended merely to serve as a substitute for legal research facilities insofar as it includes rules of substantive law. In the same year the court refused to permit the use of an erroneous instruction on self-defense, though prescribed by the Manual; since it was a matter of substantive law rather than procedure, the Manual did not control. United States v. Acosta-Vargas, 13 USMCA 388. These cases demonstrate it is neither necessary nor sufficient that a serviceman's conduct fit a Manual specification in order for him to incur criminal liability under Article 134. Nothing could point more accusingly to the vagueness of Article 134 than for the Court of Military Appeals to say that in the final analysis, the Manual is but a mini-digest of the roving character of Article 134, whose vague and indefinite language is absolutely controlling. Clearly the broad net of Article 134 will catch an accused though the Manual does not.

(2) Nevertheless, the Government says the clear knowledge of Avrech that his actions might lead to a court -martial shows that he had fair warning that Article 134 prohibited his proposed action. We find the law to the contrary. The fear, if any, which Avrech had that his action might lead to his court-martial does not demonstrate that he knew his actions were covered by Article 134. Nor does it provide a substitute for the Article's vague and indefinite language. Bouie v. City of Columbia, 378 U.S. 347, 12 L. Ed. 2d 894, 84 S. Ct. 1697 (1964). There the Court found "it irrelevant that petitioners at one point testified that they had intended to be arrested," since "the record is silent as to what petitioners intended to be arrested for * * *." Whether a statute affords "fair warning . . . must be made on the basis of the statute itself and the other pertinent law, rather than on the basis of an ad hoc appraisal of the subjective expectations of particular defendants." At 355-356, n.5.

(3) The Government says further that civilian standards of specificity do not apply to the military. We have concluded that they do. Indeed, the Court of Military Appeals assumed in Frantz, supra, that civilian standards applied and found "the conceivable presence of uncertainty" in the first two clauses of Article 134. However, it found that the Article had acquired the "core of a settled and understandable content of meaning" that established standards "well enough known to enable those within . . . reach to correctly apply them." 2 USMCA at 163. As we have noted, we disagree with this conclusion. We prefer to accept the import of United States v. Howe, 17 USMCA 165, 178-179 (1967), where the Court accepted the application of general Supreme Court standards in civilian cases without indicating any departure from those standards in the name of military necessity. Likewise, we follow the view of the United States Air Force Board of Review in United States v. McLeod, 18 CMR 814 (1954) and the Coast Guard Board of Review in United States v. Barker, 26 CMR 838 (1958). Both applied the requirements of the Fifth Amendment to military courts-martial.

It is true that the Supreme Court originally adopted a hands-off policy towards courts-martial. As late as 1950 the Court quoted with approval re Grimley (United States v. Grimley), 137 U.S. 147, 150, 34 L. Ed. 636, 11 S. Ct. 54 (1890), that "the civil courts exercise no supervisory or correcting power over the proceedings of a court-martial . . . The single inquiry, the test, is jurisdiction." Hiatt v. Brown, 339 U.S. 103 at 111, 94 L. Ed. 691, 70 S. Ct. 495. However, in the same year, in a unanimous opinion by Mr. Justice Douglas, the Court stated that if a court-martial denies a defendant the opportunity to raise a defense then it has no jurisdiction to find guilt. Whelchel v. McDonald, 340 U.S. 122, 124, 95 L. Ed. 141, 71 S. Ct. 146 (1950). <**18> Three years later in Burns v. Wilson, 346 U.S. 137, 97 L. Ed. 1508, 73 S. Ct. 1045 (1953), Chief Justice Vinson in an opinion joined by three other members of the Court, stated <*1244> that federal courts are empowered to hear a denial of due process by the military, if the latter has refused to hear such claims or has misapplied constitutional requirements. Justices Black and Douglas dissented because they thought the military had misapplied civilian due process standards. Finally, Mr. Justice Black in Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1, 37, 1 L. Ed. 2d 1148, 77 S. Ct. 1222 (1957), said the applicability of the Bill of Rights to the military was "as yet . . . not . . . clearly settled." And in O'Callahan v. Parker, 395 U.S. 258, 265-266, 23 L. Ed. 2d 291, 89 S. Ct. 1683 (1969) the Court through Mr. Justice Douglas posed the query whether Article 134 satisfies the standards of vagueness developed by civilian courts, but he did not pause to answer.

The question, however, seems settled in this Circuit by Kauffman v. Secretary of the Air Force, 135 U.S. App. D.C. 1, 415 F.2d 991, 997 (1969), where the court said:

"We hold that the test of fairness requires that military rulings on constitutional issues conform to Supreme Court standards, unless it is shown that conditions peculiar to military life require a different rule."

It is true that this proviso excepts from Supreme Court standards those situations where conditions peculiar to military life require a different rule. However, the trial court apparently found no such conditions present in this case since it applied Supreme Court standards. None have been shown here. Moreover, as General Hodson points out, other Articles are available to cover the offenses now punished under the General Article, e.g., Articles 92 and 128, which would serve the military just as well. n4 57 Military Law Rev., 1, 12. The Government, however, questions the application of Supreme Court standards to military personnel stationed in a combat zone. We readily understand its apprehension, but the argument is beside the point because there are Articles other than 134 that fully and satisfactorily govern combat situations. Two Articles, 92 and 99, come to mind. They punish failure to obey any lawful order or regulation and misbehavior before the enemy, respectively. As General Hodson so clearly says: "We don't really need" Article 134. It is purely and simply a housekeeping device and the specific conduct which it has been held to prohibit can be as effectively controlled through the utilization of other Articles of the Code. It therefore appears to us that there is no valid military justification for suspending the application of the constitutional right of fair warning to Article 134. It follows that the General Article must fall.

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Footnote 4: The availability of effective, and we might add, preferable alternatives to punishing disloyal statements under Article 134 is evidenced by the companion cases of United States v. Daniels, 19 USCMA 529 (1970), and United States v. Harvey, 19 USCMA 539 (1970). Harvey indicates that disloyal statements are subject to punishment under 18 U.S.C. 2387 as well as Article 134. Daniels holds that conviction under Sec. 2387 requires "'a clear and present danger that the activities in question will bring about the substantive evils' delineated in the statute " In contrast, Article 134 merely requires a finding that the statement was prejudicial to good order and discipline or service discrediting. In view of the Harvey court's recognition of the vagueness problems involved -- i.e., "Words by themselves may not always reveal their character . . . The Vietnam war has evolved a vast outpouring of written and oral comment. The language of many of the comments is poised on a thin line between rhetoric and disloyalty to the United States." (at 544) -- we doubt the military would consider itself prejudiced if forced to rely on Sec. 2387, incorporating as it does a "clear and present danger" test.


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Reversed.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:13 PM
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17. Interesting comment on Russert and Tweety
From a linked article in LA Weekly...

    http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=57197

    When Might Turns Right
    Golly GE, why Big Media is pro-Bush
    by Nikki Finke

    ... (former GE CEO) Jack Welch, was a rabid right-winger. Welch used to boast openly about helping turn former liberals Chris Matthews and Tim Russert into neocons.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:14 PM
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18. War is Peace says the Ministry of Love
And we're at war with Eurasia.

Or is it Eastasia?
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:15 PM
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19. I want a toilet seat made of gold but it's just not in the cards baby!
Austin Powers!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:38 PM
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23. I guess that means that military funerals...
...will only be performed after midnight so that they can justify closing the cemetery to all but family and close friends.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:42 PM
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24. This is ridiculous
Why not just tell the truth. People will find out the bad news.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 05:55 PM
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46. The truth might foil an election for the anointed one
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 05:56 PM by Eloriel
Can't leave anything to chance. If people are lulled into thinking things aren't so bad in Iraq or maybe even improving, they won't fault Bush, esp. at the ballot box. And this is the last election he'll ever face, one way or the other.

Edited: By "one way or the other" I mean either he won't be running for anything ever again (in all probability) OR he'll declare himself dictator for life, in whatever way will be most palatable to the Murican people.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 01:56 PM
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25. i received this forwarded email today from a reporter in Iraq
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 01:57 PM by truthisfreedom
Subject: FROM WSJ REPORTER IN Baghdad

From: "Farnaz Fassihi" <@hotmail.com <mailto:@hotmail.com>>
Subject: From Baghdad

Being a foreign correspondent in Baghdad these days is like being under
virtual house arrest. Forget about the reasons that lured me to this job: a
chance to see the world, explore the exotic, meet new people in far away
lands, discover their ways and tell stories that could make a difference.

Little by little, day-by-day, being based in Iraq has defied all those
reasons. I am house bound. I leave when I have a very good reason to and a
scheduled interview. I avoid going to people's homes and never walk in the
streets. I can't go grocery shopping any more, can't eat in restaurants, can't
strike a conversation with strangers, can't look for stories, can't drive
in any thing but a full armored car, can't go to scenes of breaking news
stories, can't be stuck in traffic, can't speak English outside, can't take
a road trip, can't say I'm an American, can't linger at checkpoints, can't
be curious about what people are saying, doing, feeling. And can't and can't...

There has been one too many close calls, including a car bomb so near our
house that it blew out all the windows. So now my most pressing concern
every day is not to write a kick-ass story but to stay alive and make sure
our Iraqi employees stay alive. In Baghdad I am a security personnel first,
a reporter second.

It's hard to pinpoint when the 'turning point' exactly began. Was it April
when the Fallujah fell out of the grasp of the Americans? Was it when
Moqtada and Jish Mahdi declared war on the U.S. military? Was it when Sadr
City, home to ten percent of Iraq's population, became a nightly battlefield
for the Americans? Or was it when the insurgency began spreading from
isolated pockets in the Sunni triangle to include most of Iraq? Despite
President Bush's rosy assessments, Iraq remains a disaster. If under Saddam
it was a 'potential' threat, under the Americans it has been transformed to
'imminent and active threat,' a foreign policy failure bound to haunt the
United States for decades to come.

Iraqis like to call this mess 'the situation.' When asked 'how are thing?'
they reply: 'the situation is very bad."

What they mean by situation is this: the Iraqi government doesn't control
most Iraqi cities, there are several car bombs going off each day around the
country killing and injuring scores of innocent people, the country's roads
are becoming impassable and littered by hundreds of land mines and explosive
devices aimed to kill American soldiers, there are assassinations,
kidnappings and beheadings. The situation, basically, means a raging
barbaric guerrilla war.

In four days, 110 people died and over 300 got injured in Baghdad alone. The
numbers are so shocking that the ministry of health- which was attempting an
exercise of public transparency by releasing the numbers-- has now stopped
disclosing them.
Insurgents now attack Americans 87 times a day.

A friend drove thru the Shiite slum of Sadr City yesterday. He said young
men were openly placing improvised explosive devices into the ground. They
melt a shallow hole into the asphalt, dig the explosive, cover it with dirt
and put an old tire or plastic can over it to signal to the locals this is
booby-trapped. He said on the main roads of Sadr City, there were a dozen
land mines per every ten yards. His car snaked and swirled to avoid driving
over them. Behind the walls sits an angry Iraqi ready to detonate them as
soon as an American convoy gets near. This is in Shiite land, the population
that was supposed to love America for liberating Iraq.

For journalists the significant turning point came with the wave of
abduction and kidnappings. Only two weeks ago we felt safe around Baghdad
because foreigners were being abducted on the roads and highways between
towns. Then came a frantic phone call from a journalist female friend at 11
p.m. telling me two Italian women had been abducted from their homes in
broad daylight. Then the two Americans, who got beheaded this week and the
Brit, were abducted from their homes in a residential neighborhood. They
were supplying the entire block with round the clock electricity from their
generator to win friends. The abductors grabbed one of them at 6 a.m. when
he came out to switch on the generator; his beheaded body was thrown back
near the neighborhoods.

The insurgency, we are told, is rampant with no signs of calming down. If
any thing, it is growing stronger, organized and more sophisticated every
day. The various elements within it-Baathists, criminals, nationalists and
Al Qaeda-are cooperating and coordinating.
I went to an emergency meeting for foreign correspondents with the military
and embassy to discuss the kidnappings. We were somberly told our fate would
largely depend on where we were in the kidnapping chain once it was
determined we were missing. Here is how it goes: criminal gangs grab you and
sell you up to Baathists in Fallujah, who will in turn sell you to Al Qaeda.
In turn, cash and weapons flow the other way from Al Qaeda to the Baathisst
to the criminals. My friend Georges, the French journalist snatched on the
road to Najaf, has been missing for a month with no word on release or
whether he is still alive.

America's last hope for a quick exit? The Iraqi police and National Guard
units we are spending billions of dollars to train. The cops are being
murdered by the dozens every day-over 700 to date-- and the insurgents are
infiltrating their ranks. The problem is so serious that the U.S. military
has allocated $6 million dollars to buy out 30,000 cops they just trained to
get rid of them quietly.

As for reconstruction: firstly it's so unsafe for foreigners to operate that
almost all projects have come to a halt. After two years, of the $18 billion
Congress appropriated for Iraq reconstruction only about $1 billion or so
has been spent and a chuck has now been reallocated for improving security,
a sign of just how bad things are going here.

Oil dreams? Insurgents disrupt oil flow routinely as a result of sabotage
and oil prices have hit record high of $49 a barrel.

Who did this war exactly benefit? Was it worth it? Are we safer because
Saddam is holed up and Al Qaeda is running around in Iraq?

Iraqis say that thanks to America they got freedom in exchange for
insecurity. Guess what? They say they'd take security over freedom any day,
even if it means having a dictator ruler.
I heard an educated Iraqi say today that if Saddam Hussein were allowed to
run for elections he would get the majority of the vote. This is truly sad.

Then I went to see an Iraqi scholar this week to talk to him about elections
here. He has been trying to educate the public on the importance of voting.
He said, "President Bush wanted to turn Iraq into a democracy that would be
an example for the Middle East. Forget about democracy, forget about being a
model for the region, we have to salvage Iraq before all is lost."

One could argue that Iraq is already lost beyond salvation. For those of us
on the ground it's hard to imagine what if any thing could salvage it from
its violent downward spiral.

The genie of terrorism, chaos and mayhem has been unleashed onto this
country as a result of American mistakes and it can't be put back into a
bottle.

The Iraqi government is talking about having elections in three months while
half of the country remains a 'no go zone'-out of the hands of the
government and the Americans and out of reach of journalists. In the other
half, the disenchanted population is too terrified to show up at polling
stations. The Sunnis have already said they'd boycott elections, leaving the
stage open for polarized government of Kurds and Shiites that will not be
deemed as legitimate and will most certainly lead to civil war.

I asked a 28-year-old engineer if he and his family would participate in the
Iraqi elections since it was the first time Iraqis could to some degree
elect a leadership. His response summed it all: "Go and vote and risk being
blown into pieces or followed by the insurgents and murdered for cooperating
with the Americans? For what? To practice democracy? Are you joking?"


-Farnaz
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concord Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 04:10 PM
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41. Thank you for posting this
It takes a special brand of courage to be the person who wrote this letter. It's letters like this that will get the real story out. I'm sending it along to my group.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 05:28 PM
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43. No Truers words were said about *s debacle.....
<Despite President Bush's rosy assessments, Iraq remains a disaster. If under Saddam it was a 'potential' threat, under the Americans it has been transformed to 'imminent and active threat,' a foreign policy failure bound to haunt the United States for decades to come.>

Thanks for posting this. Do you think the WSJ will report it? Just hoping.... :(
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:02 PM
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26. And it is the Post's (and every other RESPONSIBLE media outlet) job
To refuse to be spoonfed the garbage the Administration is feeding them. This is the chance for journalists to practice journalism, and bring the American people the truth about what's going on over there.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:06 PM
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27. A new hero: Sgt. Al Lorentz
"Ideology and idealism will never trump history and reality."
-- Sgt. Al Lorentz

These are the words of a man who has far more understanding than the American President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense and all of their neocon cohorts combined. And he has the courage to say them.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:21 PM
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28. 35 children dead in Iraq bombing today...
.. guess that kind of hurts their plan to market the happy things over there.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:23 PM
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29. They were trying to generate good news this morning
"BAGHDAD, Iraq - A series of bombs killed 35 children and seven adults Thursday as U.S. troops handed out candy at a government ceremony to inaugurate a new sewage treatment plant."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040930/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_13

Would have been a great event to show off at the debates if they hadn't all been blown up.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:24 PM
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30. is this like the tree falling...?
If it isn't reported, it didn't happen?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:27 PM
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31. Yea, Nero needs to keep the pesky congress critters quiet too
Pentagon contradicts Bush on Iraq
Aljazeera
September 27th, 2004

Pentagon documents made available to US lawmakers have raised questions over many of President George Bush's assertions about progress in Iraq. Key congressional aides on Sunday cast doubt on claims ranging from the extent of reconstruction to preparations for January elections.
(snip)
So far, only $1.2 billion of the $18.4 billion Bush asked the US Congress to rush through last year has been spent on Iraq's reconstruction.

Training record

Pentagon documents paint an equally poor record on training. Of the nearly 90,000 currently in the police force, only 8169 have had the full eight-week academy training.

Another 46,176 are listed as "untrained" and it will be July 2006 before the administration reaches its new goal of a 135,000-strong, fully-trained police force.
(snip)
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7007
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:30 PM
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32. Happy, happy, happy talk. Big Brother wants you not to know!
If the news is bad, can the news.

These guys are incredible.

Well, there are others. And once US news services see this crap, they will grab the news from euro or asian sources.

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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:38 PM
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33. This has to be coming from the WH
Not the Pentagon. Its getting harder and harder to sell this occupation to the American public. We've already lost this war and lost our way in the process.
Lets hear it for the bush team.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:46 PM
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35. you mean the story today
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 02:47 PM by rchsod
about 35 children being blown to pieces by a car bomb-just saw this at buzzflash...good fuck`n news alright-tell that to the mothers,fathers and the rest of thier families as they pick up what is left and try to bury their children-ya life`s alot fuck`n better under the american freedom...mother fuckers
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:00 PM
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36. Ok, Pentagon, how's this for uplifting?


"Hello, I am Quasmir al-Hedim. I used to be the mother of five children. This was a terrible financial burden for my late husband and I. Now, there is only me and one legless child to support. Thank Allah for George Bush."





"Hello, my name is Emid Shikald. I once suffered from the sin of pride. The exalted George Bush and his minions have successfully released me from that sorry state.

Praise Allah for George Bush…and, oh, if you have a free moment can you kick me some more…please?"
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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:08 PM
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40. Powerful
Welcome to DU!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:02 PM
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37. Another display of the Bush Administration's dedication to freedom!
They support it so much, they want to "curtail" it!
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:07 PM
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39. I'll be glad to help the Pentagon! Here goes...
The interim government reported progress today regarding health care issues in Iraq. "We're pleased the U.S. is killing so many citizens, particularly children and senior citizens, because they're a burden on the health care system. With fewer of them around, there's more health care for the rest of us," stated a government spokesperson.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 04:15 PM
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42. Sounds familiar.
"Joker, I've told you we run two basic
stories here. Grunts who give half their pay to
buy gooks toothbrushes and deodorants - Winning Of
Hearts and Minds. Okay? And combat action which
result in a kill - Winning the War. I don't ask
much of you people but I do expect you to adhere
to my editorial policy. You must have seen blood
trails, drag marks?"
"It was raining, sir."
"Okay, well that's why God passed the law of
probability." He tosses the pages to Joker.
"Re-write it and give it a happy ending. One
killed. Make it a sapper. Or an officer.
Which?"
"Whatever you say," Joker says.
"Grunts like reading about dead officers."

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0065.html
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 05:41 PM
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44. They have already started this. NPR "The world "program
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 05:56 PM by The_Casual_Observer
Has a feature piece on right now that is providing a one sided open forum about negative media bias in reports from Iraq, from the perspective of the US military. The "testimony" of a marine Sargent who destroyed a ambulance and it's occupants was allowed time to defend his actions at length without the inconveniences associated with a criminal proceeding.

They have been suppressing press coverage of this war since the beginning, only now has the violence attained a level so ghastly
that even the small amount of coverage that is allowed to escape is much larger than can be swallowed anymore.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:20 PM
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47. Gosh, maybe the'll hire me to write bullshit for them
Heres a lovely positive article about iraq.

On a dusty september morning, a platoon of good young men were
cruising through bagdhad with bags of candy for the children. When
asked, corporal jose gonzales, said "We are here to help the kids
of this community rot their teeth... " At this point his seargent
cut him off... "We're keeping good relations with the next generation
of terrorists so we can control them and use them as pawns against
iran in the future." "oops!" clipped liutenant Smithers of
the special police battalion... "Don't write that down, or we'll
have to kill you."

So on this dusty hot september morning, these good boys were out
with candy shooting children who come to get a fix. "Man, what i'd
give for a joint." commented one soldier in heavy body armour,
obviously sweating the potential of a sniper attack.

The candy was spread around on the street, whilst 4 snipers hid up
on rooftops to monitor that children only took 2 pieces each, or
they were punished. The sharpshooters were sooooo good, that they
only took off a finger tip, if a child reached for a 3rd peice, and
this made the candy go a long way with the neighborhood. "Aaahhh"
screamed one of the kids missing their left index finger. Its all
in a days work, laughed one of the soldiers.

Well, not long after, the snipers ran out of bullets, so the goodwill
mission had to come to a close. The lieutenant was quick to remind
this press liason, that George bush was a compassionate conservative,
as otherwise the snipers would have been killing the kids and
eating the candy themselves. Well, isn't that comforting. Its such
a good thing to see the military getting along with the civilians
without kills. It really warmed this reporters heart...

In tomorrows piece, embedded reporter Cindy Bob, will be reporting
on how smart bombs only kill fewer than 100 people, and with such
humanity... ain't it all so generous.


:-) If repukes can pre-write the results of the debates, then
anyone could certianly help them with some positive news in iraq.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:32 PM
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48. Private Jones waved and smiled happily as both his legs were blown off
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 06:33 PM by Zorra
in a land mine explosion. Private Jones later said in an interview that he always wanted to live his life without any legs, and that he would write to thank Resident Bu$h personally for giving him the opportunity to live out his days as an amputee as soon as the bandages were taken from his badly burned hands, and if he recovered his sight after the shrapnel was removed from his eyes.

In other "Happy:-)Spin" news from the Pentagon, 75 Iraqi children were killed today when a previously unexploded bomb went off at Baghdad Childrens Hospital. The children were all being treated for terminal cancer which was caused by depleted uranium.

Pentagon sources here at "Happy:-)Spin" News said that it was a blessing that the children died quickly, because they were going to die anyway.

satire off :(
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 07:28 PM
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49. Just think how much newsprint we'll save!
The morning paper will be, what, 2 pages thick? That is, assuming that they only stick to the truthful stories.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:14 PM
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50. pearls of wisdom
The reserve staff sergeant should be promoted to general:

<What is needed is a policy that takes deadly seriously what Iraqis believe about why the war began and what the United States intends. These beliefs -- that the United States came only to get its hands on Iraq's oil, to benefit Israel's security, and to establish a puppet government and a permanent military presence through which it could control Iraq and the rest of the region -- are wrong. But beliefs passionately held are as important as facts, because they powerfully affect behavior. What we see as a tragic series of American missteps, Iraqis interpret -- with reason when seen through their eyes -- as evidence of evil intent.>

The complete failure to understand the resistance:

<What is needed is a policy that takes deadly seriously what Iraqis believe about why the war began and what the United States intends. These beliefs -- that the United States came only to get its hands on Iraq's oil, to benefit Israel's security, and to establish a puppet government and a permanent military presence through which it could control Iraq and the rest of the region -- are wrong. But beliefs passionately held are as important as facts, because they powerfully affect behavior. What we see as a tragic series of American missteps, Iraqis interpret -- with reason when seen through their eyes -- as evidence of evil intent.>

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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-04 12:35 AM
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52. Can't agree with the CSM on this point:
"What is needed is a policy that takes deadly seriously what Iraqis believe about why the war began and what the United States intends. These beliefs -- that the United States came only to get its hands on Iraq's oil, to benefit Israel's security, and to establish a puppet government and a permanent military presence through which it could control Iraq and the rest of the region -- are wrong. But beliefs passionately held are as important as facts, because they powerfully affect behavior. What we see as a tragic series of American missteps, Iraqis interpret -- with reason when seen through their eyes -- as evidence of evil intent."

I see no reason to believe otherwise as why the wretched Corporate Mafia Bushco went over there. Anyone have a better explanation?

Pentagon finds "uplifting" story!

Iraqi doesn't seem particularly "uplifted" by Pentagon's approach
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:53 AM
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54. Another well deserved kick to the top.
n/t
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