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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:06 AM
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Ireland: I wanted to slap him -Coleman's acct of her interview w/Bush
This snip is about the end of the interview...

snip>
I was removing my microphone when he addressed me.

“Is that how you do it in Ireland — interrupting people all the time?”

I froze. He was not happy with me and was letting me know it.

“Yes,” I stuttered, determined to maintain my own half-smile.

....I had been told that, when the interview was over, I could stand up with him and the White House photographer would snap a picture. Not wanting to waste the opportunity, I stood up and asked him to join me.

“Oh, she wants the photograph now,” he said from his still-seated position......

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,2766-1817008_2,00.html

The whole piece is illuminating- She goes into detail at the end about how the WH took her to task ("The president leads the interview")
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:07 AM
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1. Nominated, this story is fascinating nt
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:12 AM
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2. Bush is 100% pure psychopath. There is no human in there.
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Old Vet Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:16 AM
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6. They do there job in Ireland, Truth to power what a concept!
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:27 PM
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30. And most of the rest of the free world
Really, the journo's behaviour would be unremarkable in most modern democracies.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:10 AM
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102. To try to brow-beat an honest Irish reporter,... wow!
That takes some nerve.... or stupidity. But a female Irish reporter?! Oh me! oh my! Shades of Grace O'Malley.

http://www.irishclans.com/articles/famirish/omalleyg.html
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:13 AM
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3. “You were more vicious than any of the White House press corps..."
Wow. I was also taken aback by "The President leads the interview."

No wonder he so rarely talks to the free press.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:15 AM
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4. Be careful! The Secret Service (SS) will want to investigate!
Wal-Mart Turns in Student’s Anti-Bush Photo, Secret Service Investigates Him
Jarvis had assigned her senior civics and economics class “to take photographs to illustrate their rights in the Bill of Rights,” she says. One student “had taken a photo of George Bush out of a magazine and tacked the picture to a wall with a red thumb tack through his head. Then he made a thumb’s down sign with his own hand next to the President’s picture, and he had a photo taken of that, and he pasted it on a poster.”
http://progressive.org/mag_mc100405

Bailey is chairman of the University of Louisville Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee.
He says he posted a message on a Web site in response to someone else who suggested that looters in New Orleans should be shot. Bailey wrote that many people were simply trying to find necessities to stay alive. His posting called for shooting -- in his words --"every cop, national guard and politician who stands in your way, including George W. Bush if need be."'
http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?s=3822432&ClientType=Printable
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:16 AM
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He sounds like the Queen ...
they aren't interviewed, they give "reflections" on topics.

What a douche.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:59 PM
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87. Except that the Queen wouldn't make catty little comments like he does ...
True royals learn from an early age that it's just not done. Georgie, though, doesn't think that anything is beneath his dignity!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:16 AM
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5. Where are the Carole Colemans in the US press?
Why is our press so afraid to let this bunch of criminals push them around?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:28 AM
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10. Carefully weeded out
years and years before they get anywhere close to a position where they might ask searching questions of our "duly elected" leaders.

No Democracy here, no free press either.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:37 AM
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13. A few of them have been giving McC some lip, but look at who
Bush picks for the one on one interviews. Wasn't it Brit Hume last time? I'm also remembering a prime time piece with Brokaw. Did Russert take a turn? Not one of them would ever have pressed him on anything- the WH probably didn't even have to ask!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:10 PM
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25. Someday I want the answer to that question. nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:16 AM
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7. Is he mentally ill, or just pure evil?
I can't tell if he's psychotic or a sociopath. DU psychologists, please check in.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:31 AM
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11. Not a psychologist, but my vote goes for sociopath
Those with anti-social personality disorder usually cannot attribute morally acceptable emotion to appropriate events. Like Bush* laughing this summer in that interview with the Danish JOURNALIST who had asked him about dead soldiers and civilians in the Middle East. His constant smirking at inappropriate times in speeches...another indication. He appears to delight in the misery of others.

I think he's a sociopath.
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Lancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:20 PM
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29. Sociopath. Here's why:
Erik Larson's The Devil in the White City is a great nonfiction book set during the 1893 World's Fair. One of the main characters is serial killer H. H. Holmes. Larson quotes from The Mask of Sanity by Dr. Hervey Cleckley, written 50 years later, to try to get a handle on Holmes.

Dr. Cleckley says a prototypical sociopath is:


"a subtly constructed reflex machine which can mimic the human personality perfectly… So perfect is his reproduction of a whole and normal man that no one who examines him in a clinical setting can point out in scientific or objective terms why, or how, he is not real.


Sound familiar?
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:31 PM
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31. Aack...that is too true, isn't it?
They are really frightening people to deal with according to a friend who has been a psychiatric nurse for over 20 years. She said they have to get special training to learn how to identify when they are being manipulated because it's so subtle, the staff rarely notice anything is amiss.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:14 PM
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46. 'The Mask of Sanity' is a fascinating book.
In this interview, Carole Coleman hardly got a word in edgewise, and this sociopath viciously attacked her for not letting him TOTALLY dominate the interview, and made it out like SHE did something wrong.

Indeed, Bush is a sociopath.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF
The Mask of Sanity (PDF format)
also available at Amazon for $48.

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity

Some traits are glibness, grandiosity, lack of guilt, and shallow emotions.

Bush joked about not finding WMD's under his desk. He smiles at very inappropriate times. There's lots of evidence of his sociopathy.


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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:03 PM
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88. He also plays nasty practical jokes ...
During a visit to his property in Crawford in 2000, he tricked a reporter into drinking into one of the creeks, then told him that the water was contaminated with cattle feces. That's when I decided this guy was a VERY bad choice for president. The types of things which a person finds funny are very indicative of how responsible he will be (or not, in *'s case).
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:51 PM
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51. Excellent book. I've been saying for years that
Bush is a sociopath. I was disappointed that Bush on the Couch didn't quite reach that conclusion.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:05 PM
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78. What makes you think that?
He seems to have been normal enough (if a slacker) during his early life. Is there something specific that you can tell?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:54 PM
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81. Just watching him in public appearances and following his
policy decisions. Descriptions of people's meetings with him have been downright eerie.

I've never claimed to be accurate, it's mostly a gut feeling. He does not present as someone with a conscience. We'll likely never know for certain.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:25 PM
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84. Sounds about right
Thanks for the reply. I've had the sense there's something "off" about him too, but you're probably right that we'll never know for sure. I wonder if Bush really knows for sure.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:19 AM
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98. Sure...
normal kids blow up frogs with firecrackers and torture animals all the time. (Um, wait a minute...)
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FeloniousMonk Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:30 AM
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93. Yet, not subtle
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 06:30 AM by FeloniousMonk
The only people who can't "point out in scientific or objective terms why, or how, he (Bush) is not real" are dedicated to the Republican cause. If that is a necessary element of the definition of a sociopath, Bush is not one.

Bush is just a tool. A sociopath can con people. Bush couldn't con anyone. Imagine Bush out on the street. He would be nothing like Bundy. Bush is an extension of the pack of wolves behind him and therefore has an entirely false sense of strength. As for his being a psychopath, forget it. I think I have met a few, and psychopaths are smarter and much more dangerous than Bush. Think of the character in Billy Budd whom Budd eventually kills. He is more like a psychopath. Bush is like a jock or something -- other people think he is great, even though he knows nothing. However, I've just insulted some of the jocks I knew. But only some. Bush is a pack animal -- actually, I've just insulted pack animals. I don't know what Bush is, but he is inferior even to the mentally ill.

Bush says, “Nobody cares more about death than I do." He is an ignorant, necrophilic sadist -- a typical conservative.

What surprises me is that Coleman describes Laura Bush as having "cool grace and sharp intellect." She, if anyone, might be a sociopath.

Coleman's a courageous woman.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:05 PM
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23. You can be a sociopath and psychotic as well. A dangerous combination.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 12:07 PM by cassiepriam
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 06:38 PM
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114. You can also be one of your less clever sociopaths.
Edited on Wed Oct-12-05 06:41 PM by belle
The fiendishly brilliant ones make for better headlines and movies, but really the majority of sociopaths, as with the majority of everyone else, aren't geniuses. They get away with as much as they do mainly because normal people, being normal, can't believe that this non-horned, ordinary-looking and (mostly) acting person is in fact missing some key parts. That they can't really be acting in such an incredibly brazen, exploitive, even self-destructive way; there must be some other, more human explanation for their outrageous behavior, if only the normal people could just see it. And/or, they feel sorry for them.

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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:04 PM
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90. Both
He's a psychotic psychopath.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:18 AM
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8. Misquoting scripture again, eh?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 11:19 AM by XNASA
'Don’t try to take a speck out of your eye if I’ve got a log in my own’

:rofl:
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:58 PM
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53. The bible is a prop for him.....
a tool to get the fundies all stirred up and behind him. I seriously doubt he's ever read the entire book, he's not the reading type.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:24 AM
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9. Nominated
Great article. THanks for the link.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:36 AM
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12. Bush is incompetent and trying to cover up for it.
That's the crux of the problem. Remember how Clinton used to just be able to talk about things and answer questions. Bush can't do that. He can only give his canned answers. He just isn't up to the job. He's probably doing what he can do. He just can't do any better. When he tries to speak extemporaneously, he stammers, gets confused and makes terrible mistakes. It's too risky and embarrassing for him to do that. His verbal ability is just very limited. But, a lot of voters don't know the difference.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:11 PM
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26. Yes covering up a dementia?
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:07 PM
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89. he repeats snippets he's memorized, often out of context ...
A sign that he doesn't know the issues very well, and couldn't be bothered thinking about them at all. (I frequently have to ask students to discuss topics we've covered in class, and not being able to explain things coherently in their own words, but jumping between memorized lines without really explaining the concepts is generally a sign of this. Even students with reading disabilities are able to "ace" an oral exam, if they have thought about things in advance.)
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:38 AM
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14. Yeah, Ms. Coleman, we know that look:
"The president was reclining in his seat and had a half-smile on his face, a smile I had often seen when he had to deal with something he would rather not."

It's the teenager that doesn't want to be at his auntie's funeral look. He's a little boy in a man's body.
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:41 AM
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15. love it....someone has the balls...!
:thumbsup:
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:22 PM
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63. The journalist is a woman.
Gender is not a requirement for the job or the function or the role.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #63
76. Figurative balls...
not wrinkled, hairy literal balls. Gee whizz!
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CardInAustin Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:46 AM
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16. Very interesting....
I am not foolish enough to think that every administration, Dem and Rep, has not tried to manipulate the press to some extent. But the nastiness and total disdain for the important role of a free press in our society makes this administration unfortunately unique.

Very sad.



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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:48 AM
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17. I guess he doesn't know what country he's president of. It's the US! NT
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:52 AM
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18. Link to RTE Video of the interview...
http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0624/primetime/primetime56_1c.smil

You need Real Player, but it's worth the watch.

Thanks for posting the article.

Sid
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:02 PM
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21. Sid!

I wondered where you'd been hiding since the old SCTV days - loved
your moments of seeing double - just wanted to say hi.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:04 PM
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22. Hi back atcha :) nt
Sid
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Kool McKool Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:44 PM
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67. Frightening, in a way ...
I love how Chimpy's winces become more and more pronounced each time she cuts off one of his asinine canned answers. By the end, he looked like he was being struck in the forehead with a mallet.

It is un-f*cking-believable that this idiot sits in the White House. He makes Warren Harding seem like Stephen Hawking.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:54 AM
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103. Thanks so much for the link...
warning to all, you need a strong stomach to watch this war criminal defend the indefensible. Jesus, I just don't know how one man could be so completely revolting.

:puke:
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:53 AM
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19. He really believes he's royalty - they all do.
The idea of an elected president is simply an illusion. The Bush cretins think they're royalty, and they act like it. The evidence is everywhere.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:54 AM
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20. His toadies come off great, too

What a bunch of creeps. She must have felt like she needed to shower
for a day after spending time with that crew and its shameless leader.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:08 PM
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24. Free-for-all questioning only by infant school children
doesn't sound like good preparation for the wide world, does it? Coleman had even submitted her questions, I believe.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:15 PM
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27. What a great read that was. My new hero!
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TabulaRasa Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:19 PM
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28. Are you kidding me?
Interrupting the chimperor a couple times constitutes a tough interview? The article's very telling about Bush and what a sociopath he is, but I didn't see anything resembling a tough interview in the video that was posted. Apparently, in this country, you not only have to suck the guy's dick, you have to smile when you're doing it. Why has not one interviewer ever asked that sack of shit how you can "disarm" when you don't have any weapons, or how you can claim to be in favor of democracy when you actively support numerous totalitarian regimes that are friendly to American businesses and strategic interests? The man is just begging for his demented bubble to be popped, and if you're going to be blackballed by the administration, as she was, you might as well go ahead and pop it. Hell, why not tell him what a festering turd he is, while you're at it?
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:35 PM
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32. Good point. I was wondering if she would ask that and didn't
but then again, I wasn't the one sitting there with this freak wondering how much longer it would be before I could run to sanity. How on earth could Saddam have disarmed? She had to know that she would not be held in favorable regard after just the first question. But then again, as a reasonable person, she probably tried to give the Chimp the benefit of the doubt first. Nice of her. Too bad she didn't know that he would just walk on her like he does everyone else.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:43 PM
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72. Sam Kinison said something along the lines of
"If you're gonna miss Heaven, better to miss it by a mile than an inch."


I agree that interviewers allow him a pass on the most egregious fundamental fuck-ups he has inflicted upon the world. Why has no one asked him, "Why, after four years of your administration in office, are you still yet to catch the man who masterminded the 9/11 attacks? Why have you spent hundreds of billions of dollars, cost tens of thousands their lives, driven the country into a insurmountable deficit, disrupted the entire middle east, and generated more terrorists than before, to invade a country that not only hadn't attacked us, but was relatively unarmed?"

Why has no one found the cojones to just say, ah, fuck it. "On behalf of Cindy Sheehan, 'What was the noble cause her son died for?'"

Sure, it's career suicide. But then I remember Bud from Repo Man:

"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees."
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:05 AM
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95. That's my take on it, too...
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 08:06 AM by LynzM
If you're going to ask the tough questions, ask the really tough questions, dammit. Ask him what he actually knows. Ask him how he sleeps knowing he's responsible for the deaths of thousands. Ask him how he can justify that if he is truly a Christian. On, and on, and on.

Oh, and welcome to DU! :hi:
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #72
116. Hey, are you the one who owns...
the OTHER copy of 'Repo Man', one of my all time favorites?

"REPO MAN IS INTENSE!"
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:42 PM
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33. THAT'S considered a "tough interview"?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 12:44 PM by WeRQ4U
Christ.......I was asked tougher questions and required to give more thoughtful answers during an interview for a job at a shoe store when I was in college.

What an arrogant, inflated nutbag.

I would hate to be a member of his PR department. Having to make sure that he has his canned answers memorized and STILL having to sit with your fingers crossed, muttering "please don't fuck it up, please dont' fuck it up" over and over again under your breath during the entire interview.



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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:43 PM
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34. But If she interrupts, he'll lose his place in the Talking Points!!!!
We can have that! Why would we expect anything but a well scripted lie from *??? :sarcasm:

I really think the guy thinks he's has the rights and privileges of a King or a Dictator.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:43 PM
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35. Wow! (breathy) Just wow.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:51 PM
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36. So where *are* the American Carole Colemans?
Hello? Hello? Journalists? Anyone wanna start doing their job?
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:01 PM
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37. "The hatred of Bush in Ireland cannot be overstated."
That was the emailed comment of a close friend, and extremely politically savvy woman. She and her husband had just returned last week from spending a week in 3 towns in southern Ireland. My friend is a person who is extremely circumspect and NOT given to any exaggeration. I haven't had a chance to talk with her
in detail but am looking forward to getting some exact quotes, which I will share on DU.
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:33 PM
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64. The hatred of Bush in these United States can not be overstated.
n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 09:55 AM
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101. And throughout the world
his is likely at this time the most hated man in HISTORY. His remarkable combination of incompetence, stupidity, and arrogance defies description. Talk radio is the only thing keeping him from being imprsioned.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:03 PM
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38. Only those who like to control/manipulate events/discussions
get upset at being interrupted :D My dad use to get upset all the time because he had preset ideas and answers.

Only if you can think on your feet, are open to looking at the question and trying to answer it truthfully, and open to seeing things differnetly, do you mind being interrupted, IMO.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:07 PM
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39. I must comment that the little Prick
sounded much less retarded than I consider him to be, but certainly no more human and definitely more nasty.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:25 PM
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40. “You were given an opportunity to interview the leader ...."
"...and you blew it,”

Well, fuck you very much.

It disgusts me the way they protect our coked-up Fratboy-In-Chief...
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:27 PM
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41. very keen observations and interpretation of his body language
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 01:28 PM by NJCher
Regardless of whether you think Carol Coleman is a tough interviewer or not, she had him so angry toward the end that I thought his head was going to explode.

As I read the article, I was impressed with her interpretation of his body language. Then (and thanks, SidDithers) to be able to watch the body language in the video clip was a communications teacher's dream!

There you will be able to see that chimpy constantly puts his hand up as if to stop Ms. Coleman. He does this over and over again. ]

He would loved to have stopped her.

I may use this in class this week. It just so happens to be the body language chapter.




Cher

edited to remark: interesting observations, tlcandie.
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trekbiker Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 03:33 PM
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112. hello NJCher....
a former Neocon friend had a peculiar habit of holding his throat with his right hand when I pressed him in our debates, sort of like he was subconsciously strangling himself. He had no idea he was doing this. Any idea on how that body language could be interpreted? He was a complete Dittohead and our long friendship finally dissolved after the '04 selection..
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:28 PM
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42. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! I can hear his voice inside my head!
MEDIC!!!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:50 PM
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43. Jerk. There will be time for reckoning, don't you worry boy. nt
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:06 PM
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44. This is what 5+ years of half-assed American interviewers gets us
Once again he behaved like a condescending ass toward someone who had the temerity to ask tough questions. I'm surprised there wasn't a "disassemble--that means not tell the truth" moment, although there's no question in my mind that Shrub was talking down to her.

I'm also surprised the Right-Wing Wacko Windbag Brigade (Coulter, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Hannity, et al) didn't call for a boycott of Ireland in the wake of this interview. (Or maybe they did and no one took them up on it.)

And what the hell is this?
“We don’t address the president unless he speaks first,” a member of the film crew had told me earlier.
What a complete and utter asshole Bush is--he's not a goddamned king, for fuck's sake! :grr:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:17 PM
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80. I wonder if they were expecting congratulations?
Or insults? or what? Very puzzling. They surely weren't hinting that that was what was expected of her! Were they....?
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:07 PM
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45. Bush is a pure sociopath
and he's psychotic and brain damaged (booze/drugs) on top of it.

For the psychological skinny check out "Bush on the Couch" by Dr. Justin Frank. Terrifying reading.
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TexasThoughtCriminal Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:20 PM
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47.  “Nobody cares more about death than I do."
“Listen, nobody cares more about death than I do . . .I care a lot about it."
:wow:
Whoa! Read the whole article. You have to look for it, but sometimes chimpy speaks the truth.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:59 PM
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55. I caught that
It was one of those Freudian slips where the evil monster behind the mask can be seen. Chimpy does care a lot about death - he's in love with it. That's why he has rained so much of it down on the world.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:01 PM
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77. How about that other quote...
When Bob Woodward asked him how history would judge him, Bush shrugged and said "History. We don't know - we'll all be dead." That always struck me as the oddest, bleakest statement ever from a man who is supposedly a Christian.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:33 PM
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48. This may not mean much, coming from a pro-war Dem,
but I thought that interview was great. I think even those of us who support the war in Iraq have to admit that Bush is totally incapable of dealing with criticism, or explaining his decisions to others. Bush has yet to make a CLEAR linkage between Iraq and 9/11. It's not that there isn't one--ther is one indeed, but Bush has failed to make it to the people, and when called on it, he and his supporters see it as being unduly hostile.

The fact is, regardless of what you think of Bush or the justice of Iraq, Ms. Coleman did a great interview, and she hardly deserved the treatment she received from the WH. All those questions, even the one about Israel, were legitimate. For all of Bush's vaunted likeability, it doesn't seem to hold up when he's put under pressure, does it?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:59 AM
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104. Help me out
Lone,

I believe you are saying Iraq was somehow connected with the 9/11 attacks on the USA. Please tell me how this was so.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:21 PM
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105. Didn't want this to turn into a debate over Iraq, but..
Saddam wasn't connected to 9/11, but Saddam's regime represented a destabilizing force in the Middle East, that was conducive to terror. Besides the humanitarian goal of liberating the Iraqis, Saddam's regime was a not an iminent threat, but a persistent one. You may not agree with this, but I think there's a case to made that a democratic Iraq helps set off a chain reaction that undermines terror. Of course we've been sort of set back by Abu Ghraib, and Bush's bad postwar planning, but the overall justice of Iraq is still there.

Even if we can't agree on the case for war in the beginning, I hope everyone can recognize that Iraq has become a major front, if not the major front in the GWOT, and a premature withdrawal would be a defeat for us, the Iraqis, and all the brave maen and women who've lost their lives.

OK, I'm done.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:39 PM
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106. Thank you for the reply
I bear you no malice whatsoever.

The case you set forth is a mighty big stretch, and I suppose you must realize that. In fair consideration of the thoughts you have shared, I remain convinced that Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with the 9/11 attacks on the USA.

Iraq has indeed become a (not necessisarily the) major front in the 'war on terror', but this is of Dubya's own making by his invasion of that country. We need to get out of Iraq right now, but that will never (that's right, never) occur as long as the Bush cartel remains in power.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:47 PM
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107. I bear you no malice either. eom
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 07:19 AM
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110. "A case to be made"
You may not agree with this, but I think there's a case to made that a democratic Iraq helps set off a chain reaction that undermines terror.

That's the neocon "case," made over and over. Events have proven the opposite to be true, while the willful indulgence of that case has stacked corpses to the heavens.

Isn't it time you abandoned the feel-good fantasy? People die for your daydreams.
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trekbiker Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 04:12 PM
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113. its a stretch to call Iraq a "major front in the GWOT"
more like Osama's dream come true terrorist training state, courtesy of Bush. Our soldiers riding around with bulls-eyes painted on thier heads waiting to get bushwhacked is not a "Front" at all. It's a trap Bush walked us straight into.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:33 PM
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49. Reminds me of the way Saddams interviews were conducted
I heard a similar report from a French reporter (Christine Ockrent) who interviewed him once. The only difference is that at least in Bush case you can be sure it's not a doppelganger... or ?
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:44 PM
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50. Remember during the election how Bush won hands down compared
to Kerry on the likability factor. His supporters were saying how "likable" , "plain spoken" - " real person". Never could understand that. I could see this guy had serious personality problems when he was governor of Texas. Not quite sure how arrogant and rude= likable.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:56 PM
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52. Really????
I can sort of understand how he'd win "hands down" on likeability in 2000, but not in 2004. Granted, I was jaded by then.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:58 PM
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54. Any contact info for her?
I know it's been awhile, but I'd still drop her a line to tell her how much I appreciate her.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:13 PM
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70. at the bottom of the article
If I recall correctly.




Cher
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:20 PM
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56. How dare she ask his assholiness questions and want answers....
"Listen, people join terrorist organisations because there’s no hope and there’s no chance to raise their families in a peaceful world where there is not freedom. And so the idea is to promote freedom and at the same time protect our security. And I do believe the world is becoming a better place, absolutely."

You mean like Saudi Arabia, georgie? Tell me all about the "freedoms" they enjoy in Saudi Arabia why don't you? Then tell me how many of the 9/11 hijackers were FROM Saudi Arabia. Your pals, the Saudis, are breeding more terrorists than Saddam ever did you horse's ass. Yet you'll go down on a Saudi Prince in a second for a barrel of oil and a chance to extort all the money you can from the American public. His idea of securing freedom for others by bombing it into them leaves a little to be desired. The world is becoming a better place? :wtf: There have been more terrorist attacks since you took office than ever before. You've succeeded where Bin Laden had failed, recruiting countless terrorists to avenge their perceived view that you're waging a war against Islam. What a pompous, ignorant ass!

He certainly has an over-inflated image of himself. He views himself as some Imperial ruler that shouldn't have to explain himself or his actions. We're all here for his amusement, to do his bidding and remain silent while doing so. His insistence on gathering only with like minded groups ensures that he's not subject to any face to face criticism, that he's isolated from anyone who could challenge his world view. He's a petulant, spoiled child who wants everything his own way and would just as soon torture and kill anyone who had the guts to question his abilities or policies.

The United States is in sad shape if THIS is who we have representing us on the world stage. Is it any wonder we're the most hated country on Earth? :mad:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:21 PM
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57. Did you see the interview? It was brilliant!
did you see the photo of W in his underwear at the castle - no?
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:25 PM
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58. What an asshole!
King George is such a megalomaniac (on top of being a sociopath AND a psychotic). The press in the US has LET HIM GET AWAY WITH THIS CRAP for far too long. Bravo to Carol Coleman for having the balls to do what the US press has been too timid to do for too long!

"The President leads the interview"... Give me a fucking break! If it were a REAL interview, he wouldn't have canned, stock answers programmed into him. He knows NOTHING else except Saddam, 9/11, democracy (although it's Bush Brand Democracy shoved down Iraquis' throats), and freedom (again, Bush Brand Freedom, which isn't the same thing as true freedom). So if freedom is such a hot topic for W, why do his toadies do their damndest to stifle freedom of the press?????
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FuzzyDicePHL Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:40 PM
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59. I'm sure
Ms. Coleman isn't the only person in the world who wants to slap him...
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:05 PM
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60. I want to slap him too but unfortunately I have never been as close
as 6' away. Good for her. Makes me proud to have Irish ancestry coursing through my veins.

_____________________________________________
Dearest Carol,

Please pardon our *resident and understand that he doesn't listen to us or our requests for courtesy and integrity either. You can imagine how difficult it is to get good help these days. Due to our hiring practices for this position, we will not be able to fire him until November 2007, though we do have the best legal minds in the country seeking loopholes in that practice as we speak.

Your assistance in exposing his failings overall are much appreciated. Come see us next time you are in town and we will keep the beastly brat out of sight.

Sincere and best wishes to you,

...
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:08 PM
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61. Anyone's guess that MC is our little Harriet???? n/t
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:43 PM
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66. Really? Do you think so? Does no one there have MC initials?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 04:45 PM by ToolTex
n/t
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:31 PM
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74. I am guessing on her description of MC
and her reticence in naming her. Why would Coleman do that? She didn't say that MC were her initials did she? Was this within her role at the White House?

I am suggesting the possibility.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:54 PM
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75. MC Andrews, Special Assistant to the President
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 07:35 PM by Marie26
If Coleman was trying to hide her identity, she really didn't do a great job! Mary Catherine (MC) Andrews is listed on the White House bio as "Special Assistant to the President and Director of the White House Office of Global Communications". http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/andrews-bio.html So it makes sense that she would be in charge of communications with the foreign press. And hey, she's a member of the Aspen Strategy Group! It all comes together...Or not.

This part about the OGC is kind of funny (or sad)- "These messages are intended to prevent misunderstanding and conflict, build support for and among United States coalition partners, and better inform international audiences. Countering propaganda and disinformation is an important role for the OGC." Well, good to see they're building international support & stopping propaganda. :eyes:

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:21 PM
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83. Sigh - propaganda is right
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 08:26 PM by Marie26
The thing that blows my mind about this administration is that each time you turn up a rock, there's a hundred new cockroaches. MC Andrews was also involved in a controversy when she was appointed as an independent "ombudsman" for PBS while still working for the White House. The "ombudsman" was to make sure no "left-wing bias" crept into the news program. Like, say, anything negative about Bush. And we wonder why the American press doesn't challenge this administration?

Article lead: "Having frightened the mainstream press, and networks such as CBS, into compliance with its right-wing agenda, the Bush administration now has public broadcasting in its sights." http://www.newstatesman.com/Life/200505160011
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:21 PM
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62. get this asshole on his meds!!!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:40 PM
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65. He's a petulant little dictator
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:54 PM
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68. RATS......No interview with Pickles. now?
Now that would of been interesting!!! :evilgrin:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:00 PM
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69. What was the date of the interview?
I think I remember seeing it, but I'm not sure.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:24 PM
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71. If only we had more of this womans type in our press
He needs to face this all the time.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:43 PM
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73. "Nobody cares more about death than I do".
what a bizarre thing for him to say. That his inner circle refers to him as "the leader of the free world" is beyond bizarre.
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calzone Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:13 PM
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79. Excellent, revealing article......
I made a little list of questions I would've liked to ask.
1. First, I want to say thank you for shaking my hand as you entered the room, and I hope you can forgive me for having been scratching my scrotum just prior to that, but my herpes has been flaring up today like a volcano, I'm sure you understand.... Mr. president, you must be aware that a great many ppl around the world regard you, with what many believe to be considerable justification, as the anti-Christ. Can you categorically deny that you have any numbers tattooed on your person and set the record straight?

2. Mr. president, there's been widespread speculation among both laymen and professional psychologists that you're wallowing & flailing in the early stages of dementia, and that you have an inability to recognize the consequences of your actions or feel the slightest flicker of empathy for other human beings...could you confirm or deny this please?

3. Mr. Bush, if you were on 2nd base and you had a wooden leg, would it be legal to tie a rope to your leg, leave it on the base, and take a long lead?

4. Mr. president, have you ever eaten a pretzel while riding a bicycle?

5. Would you like a pretzel?

6. How about a refreshing alcoholic beverage?

7. Mr. Bush, do you also routinely ask vice president Dick Cheney or your adviser Karl Rove for permission to go pee pee?

8. Mr. president, if you died and were re-incarnated as an animal, what kind of animal would you want to be?

9. Mr. Bush, how would you react if I and my assistant suddenly ripped off masks that we were wearing to reveal that I was Michael Moore and she was Cindy Sheehan?

10. Mr. president, if being the leader of the free world is such hard work, why are you always on vacation?

Thank you Mr. President...Shall we pose for a picture now?
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MissAmber Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:09 PM
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82. Can anyone get the windows version of this interview?
It would be greatly appreciated!! :7
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:44 PM
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85. My two cents
Most real Fundmentalists these days do not say "the Good Lord" or "the Good Book". They will say "the Lord", and "the Word".
Either he's a complete fraud as a Christian, or it has been so long that he's really been among them that he is using outdated terminology. When some one used to use these terms around me (back when I was a Fundie), we knew that the person was faking it.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:58 PM
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86. So the charming, self-deprecating "people person" W is a big phony
We here at DU have known this for some time, but I wonder how long it will take for his supporters to see what a cruel, unpleasant guy he really is.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 01:28 AM
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92. I had him pegged for a phony back in '99...
...read an article somewhere back then, way before 2000, and he just didn't pass the sniff test.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 12:53 AM
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91. "Have a safe trip back to Ireland"
“I don’t know how we are going to repair this relationship, but have a safe trip back to Ireland,” MC concluded.

Sound a little ominous? Think of Paul Wellstone and his wife and daughter. Think of Mel Carnahan. Think of Ron Brown. And Larry McDonald, killed on KAL 007. And others . . .

Please, John Conyers, stay off the planes.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:15 AM
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97. I had that thought, as well...
Scary and sad that that goes through our minds, isn't it?

Welcome to DU :hi:
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:38 AM
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94. Guess the WH will be doing much stricter vetting of foreign reporters.
They know they're safe here with our domestic-sheep pseudo-counterparts...

Thanks for great postings Rose Siding :hi:
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HaloKitty Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:08 AM
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96. Cry Baby
What an overgrown spoiled brat. I truely hope to see this pompous jerk humbled at some point. Or at the very least turned over someone's knee and throughly spanked.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:25 AM
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99. How odd that the IDIOT prince
actually spoke the phrase that comforts me these days. "History will judge me.." Oh yes it will you murdering, giggling sociopath. My hope is that you live to see the day it does.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 09:13 AM
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100. Who does he think he is?
God?

I find his behaviour to be beyond arrogant... if I have to read or hear that man utter such dignified words "freedom, values and compassionate" so nonchalantly and freely I am going to vomit. I think it is highly unethical to say "let me finish" when he in fact was going on and on with his canned BS.

I HATE THIS MAN.

Kudos to Ms. Coleman, well done. THe world needs to see him for what he truly is on video.... too bad there are still 40% here who are so married to that schmuck, their blind.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 01:55 AM
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108. Startling... However, MOST revealing.
I have to read through the thread tomorrrow, but I am sure that many of my thoughts have already been posted. Thus I am just another voice in the echo chamber.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 07:13 AM
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109. Bravo for Coleman: a one-woman replacement for the White House press corps
Pay attention, US "journalists." This is how it's done.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 08:39 AM
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111. I keep coming back to read this article over again.
It is a very telling account of the Bush administration's highly organized propaganda tactics.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 06:38 PM
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115. same here -- I've mentioned it to several people ...
... all of whom wanted the link. And interestingly, none of them have tried to contradict Coleman's account -- they've either said, "He's much more irritable than I'd imagined", or (if they've been following Bush's actions for awhile), "I'm not at all surprised that he's like this in private".
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