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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:43 PM
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Pelosi's Triumph
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Pelosi's Triumph
by Bob Burnett

Friday's vote against the war in Iraq was a double triumph: A landmark vote to put an end to the mad policies of George Bush and an unusually unified stand by a Democratic Party often distinguished by its disunity. The leader who brought Democrats together was Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

H.R. 1591, The US Troop Readiness, Veterans' Health and Iraq Accountability Act, calls upon President Bush to use common sense in his management of the Iraq conflict. The contents of H.R. 1591 have been largely overlooked in the debate about the philosophical issues behind the bill: whether or not it is the roll of Congress to exercise oversight of the President in his role as commander-in-chief. Republicans say no: any attempt to reign in Bush's policies in Iraq amounts to "micro-managing" the conduct of the war. Democrats say yes: Congress has the constitutional duty to check the war powers of the President; particularly when that President is George Bush, someone whose judgment has proved to be consistently off the mark.

The contents of H.R. 1591 reflect the will of the American people, who have soured on this war and Bush's leadership. Americans want our troops to be fully funded, but don't want the duration of the war to be open ended: a point Bush steadfastly ignores.

The March 6th Gallup Poll results mirror the intent of H.R. 1591. Fifty-nine percent of respondents oppose Bush's "surge" plan: his addition of 21,500 troops to those already in Iraq. Fifty-seven percent support setting a cap on the number of troops in Iraq. Sixty percent support establishing a "timetable" so that troops are withdrawn "by the end of next year." Seventy-seven percent support "requiring U.S. troops to come home from Iraq if Iraq's leaders fail to meet promises to reduce violence there." However, sixty-one percent of Gallup Poll respondents oppose "Denying the funding needed to send any additional U.S. troops to Iraq." In other words, Americans don't want more troops sent to Iraq, believe there needs to be a plan to bring them home, but want to fully fund them while they are there: they want the contents of H.R. 1591.

Given the fact that H.R. 1591 so closely follows the reasoning of the American people, the wonder is that it did not pass by more than a six-vote margin (218-212). To be noted is the fact that all but two Republicans voted against it: yet another indication that when it comes to national security, Republicans are lemmings, totally willing to let mad George lead the United States off a cliff.

What's equally amazing is the fact that all but fourteen Democrats voted for H.R. 1591. Republicans may be lemmings, easily led in a destructive direction, but all too often Dems have been cats: unwilling, as a group, to be led in any direction. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi managed to unite all facets of Congressional Democrats: Conservatives--so called "blue dogs", Centrists, and Progressives. That's the real triumph in this vote: Democrats united against this war. Joined together to express the will of the American people. And, to stand for a clear alternative to Bush's "stay until we win" philosophy.

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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:45 PM
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1. Not sure this one is a victory yet
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:46 PM
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2. Me neither; I offer it up for comments, or not.
B-)
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:55 PM
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3. This is a big win for Pelosi and as a 1st step to get out of Iraq
She's done an excellent job in identifying the will of the American people.

Other than for a very few GOP hacks, this bill is being accepted. There is no backlash.

It's been a long hard battle to bring our troops home, but we're making progress. The rubber stamping GOP is in a quagmire spinning their wheels. Do they wish to ignore the will of the American people and continue their blind rubber stamping of W's policies?

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:34 AM
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4. A victory for pork & collaboration.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:41 AM
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5. If the end result goes where we want it to, I'm okay with it. nt
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 01:22 AM
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6. Who knows?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 01:37 AM
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7. Exactly. Who knows? I'm not about to bash anyone yet
(except maybe MoveOn for being disingenious), but whatever works would work for me. I'm a spectator and perhaps don't have/know the whole picture.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:01 AM
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8. if anyone believes Bush is going to abide by the withdrawel provisions of this bill . . .
they're delusional . . . if he doesn't veto the whole thing, look for a signing statement explaining how he interprets the bill and how he intends to (not) enforce its provisions . . .

and didn't Congress pass a fairly stringent anti-pork bill some time back? . . . guess they were just kidding . . .
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 06:38 AM
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9. The Best Thing About This Miserable Excuse For A Bill Is:
it will never pass both houses of Congress, and if somehow it did, Bush wouldn't sign it. With no possibility of Congressional override of the Presidential veto, the war will be defunded, and be forced to grind to a halt.

And it makes Pelosi look good. Where's the downside?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:19 AM
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10. Very Alice-in-Wonderlandy, it is.
Let us hope you are correct.
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