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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:34 PM
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They are already looking for a way for Palin to bow out by using her family.
In this article in the Wall Street Journal, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122265784614384667.html?mod=yahoo_buzz, Todd Palin is concerned, as stated by an adviser,

"For his part, Mr. Palin has worried about the frequent separation of his wife from her family, friends and Alaska staff, an adviser said. Accordingly, her family will be with her in Sedona during this week."


There is her out. They'll see how she does in the debates and if she does poorly, as they expect her to, it will be a family decision that she pull out. Mark my words this woman is out of her league.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:35 PM
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1. Won't be a shocker n/t
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:36 PM
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2.  But he will never drop her because she is the only thing keeping him afloat.
The base would crucify the man.

Just keep telling everybody you know that she's a great debater, so intelligent, and surprisingly well informed.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:41 PM
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7. She still is bringing in large sums of money for the campaign but the
article states the base are starting to doubt her ability to go national. They should have thought of that before they picked her. Idiots.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:46 AM
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32. Her lies and BS were cheered wildly in her Columbus speech yesterday.
If I hear "I support her for VP because she's just like me" one more time I am seriously going to :puke:
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sweetpotato Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:45 PM
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38. Do you ever ask if THEY feel qualified and prepared to be VP?
If they want someone *just like themselves* then it stands to reason that they believe that they themselves are qualified to be VP and because of the type of office it is, President of the US.

Do these people who are just like Sarah Palin think they could do the job?

I certainly don't want someone just like me running the country - I am NOT qualified and I know it.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 06:38 AM
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40. Do they want someone "just like them" piloting the 747 they're riding in?
Or would they prefer someone who has actually been in a cockpit over someone who has just lived near an airport his whole life?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:20 PM
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36. he would have to pick someone as conservative and religious to keep base
but that would chase away swing voters.

If he picks someone he likes like Vichy Joe Lieberman or Nosferatu Giuliani, he will lose the base en masse and probably only gain a tenth of that back from swing voters.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:37 PM
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3. The Palins have gotten spoiled by
her ability to do her own thing--like hardly showing up in Juneau, but rather staying in Wasilla to handle the family. Well, it isn't going to be a little part-time gig if she's in Washington. They should have thought about this when McLame's people proposed she join them.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:37 PM
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4. It is always the excuse, isn't it?
Wants to spend more time with the family?
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:59 PM
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15. Isn't that what every Bush aid that left said they were leaving for . . .
even the men.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:10 PM
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18. I want her gone, for sure. But I am very sorry that this woman is such an embarrassment...
... to my gender.

There are many well-informed, competent, and experienced women out there to choose from. Ambitious, too. There are many ways of handling family responsibilities. Nancy Pelosi also has 5 children, and was very politically active throughout her life; however, she didn't run for office until her kids were grown, and then devoted all her energies to it.

"For family reasons" has become an acceptable excuse for male politicians and other high-powered men who are leaving whatever job they do. We all know it's BS, but it's still acceptable.

For my gender, it feels like an excuse that sets us all back, because we are still struggling to get out from under the slur that we genetically cannot handle home and career at the same time. Not that Ms. Sarah gives a damn about other women.

Hekate




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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:50 PM
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24. I think in this case, we all understand why Palin may leave.
I've just known too many women, including myself, who do leave for the very same reason when they were are at the top of their game. At least 4 of my good friends through the years have started their own businesses, doing what they always wanted to do, juggling everything in their own way, in their own time, and with great satisfaction. It's not easy but none us want to ever go back to the corporate world.
It's funny, when my 15year old daughter asked, "Why are you and dad laughing at her," a few weeks ago, I played her the YouTube clip and now she and her friends (boys and girls) make continuous jokes of what they see from their house. They get it. To them it's just stupid and that, to me, will be the legacy of Sarah Palin.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:21 AM
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25. Good point. The corporate world is just one model--and Palin was never in it to begin with
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 12:23 AM by Hekate
I actually wouldn't have done very well in that world myself. It was hard enough being a secretary/admin asst at a university, with no flexibility in my schedule. When I finally had the choice to go to part time after remarrying, I took it. Part time allowed me the flexibility to juggle work, family, kids, and community work.

I ain't Superwoman.

Sarah Palin, with her sense of entitlement, isn't either. She was just a big ambitious fish in a very small pond, and now she's swimming with the sharks.

Hekate


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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:05 AM
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28. I know! Some of us aren't cut out for the office, and we want to
enjoy many aspects of life, and do go for it when we get a chance. And I'd really have more respect for Palin if she took this opportunity and bowed out for family reasons. I would if I had the chance to take care of my special needs infant and be there for my 16year old pregnant daughter, AND not worry about finances. Please, Sarah! Do it for the family!!!!:)
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StreetKnowledge Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 04:32 PM
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39. But what would it make her look like?
The GOP is trying to cast Palin as one of those aforementioned superwomen. She isn't and we all know that, but the GOP, if they know that (they may not be that bright, I mean they chose McLame to lead them after all) don't care. If Palin does want to be with her family, her leaving will dramatically sink the GOP's presidential hopes.

I do understand the dilenma. She won't resign, but after Obama wins the election, it won't matter much, will it?

I hope after the election she does go back and help her family, especially her 16 year old daughter. Her family will appreciate it, and I'm sure Alaska will too.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:37 PM
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5. Either way, McCain is screwn
Either

she's made to leave because she's a horrible choice (in which case his judgment is shown to be entirely fucked up)

or

she leaves because of "family concerns," and McCain picks a new veep (in which case, we have to wonder who could be so bad that they'd come in second behind Palin on McCain's list of possible VPs)


I'm guessing he'll pick Harriet Miers.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:39 PM
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6. LOL thanks for a little humor (nt)
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elzenmahn Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:32 AM
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26. My guess...
...is that in order to try to keep the Fundies happy, he'll try to get Mike Huckabee.

Either way, Grampy is screwed.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:25 AM
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35. Huckabee? Give up his sweet deal with Fox?
Say it ain't so!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:45 PM
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8. Couldn't agree more that she's out of her league, but my sense is that they
won't pull her off the ticket at this point. They'll just grit their teeth and forge ahead. IMO :)


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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:50 PM
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11. I don't know. Using the family and especially a 5-month-old, special
needs infant is an excellent excuse not to be VPOTUS. Some say that is sexist but you can't give 100% to everything and be superwoman. Men don't. They do their jobs and come home and their wives have mostly cared for the children and their needs, taken care of the home, and the meals as well on top of working as well. Talk about unfair. Some choose and are able to stay home with their children.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:54 PM
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12. Well you have a point, nobody could fault her for deciding to devote more time
to her baby.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:03 PM
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16. It's funny, though...If she leaves because "the baby needs her", what does that
say about her? Only that the baby doubtless also needed her a month ago, and she went on the road anyway.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:14 AM
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29. Well, then maybe we can say that she's the Prodigal Daughter
finally come home to her senses and just forgive her for accepting the nomination. But I can't bring myself to forgive her stance on abortion, needless slaughter of animals, wasteful spending, disdain of community activism, et cetera, et cetera...
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:48 PM
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9. very interesting...this may be the out that they use. and of course, she will bow out, no way
do they kick her to the curb. what a mess. why would you accept this nod knowing you just can't cut it. sounds like a whole lot of hubris and arrogance to me.

on the personal side, it really must be tough on her family and kids. the alaska gov gig gave her lots of paid time at home. she's in a totally different league now.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:22 PM
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21. Because she's been able to flirt her way through her whole adult life, and
she's finally run into a scenario where that isn't cutting it. It's the first time it hasn't worked, so she has no plan B.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:52 AM
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33. It worked OK with the Pakistani president.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:49 PM
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10. They leave her in for the election and THEN force her out if
they make it. Otherwise, they are looking at a lot of gaffes that they will never be able to control.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:57 PM
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13. I can't wait til Thursday but in a way I kind of feel sorry for her. There is no
way she can keep up with Biden; however, Biden cannot come across as a bully or use "gotcha" (their new term) politics even though probably every subject will be like "gotcha."
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:56 AM
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34. They treat *every* question as a "gotcha" question now.
Apparently the very act of questioning her about anything proves media bias.



Waaaaaa!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:58 PM
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14. I hadn't thought of the Nixon-Agnew solution. Agnew was forced out before Nixon...
... because Congress (which was able to work together in those days) knew Nixon was on his way out and wanted to ensure a competent and honest replacement -- which Jerry Ford was.

In any case, I don't think McCain is capable of admitting his mistake at this point. I think he'll just plow on with her to the bitter end.

I feel sorry for the woman, who appears to be drowning. I'd feel a whole lot more sympathy, though, if she were not so dangerous.

Hekate


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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:03 PM
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17. I feel sorry for her for a second or two then I remember the arrogance in
which she made fun of obama being a community organizer. Also, just her plain Republican arrogance. They are such pompous asses.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:12 PM
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19. I know. My problem is that as much as I claim to want to see some *hole humiliated in public...
... it still ends up being hard to watch it happen.

Hekate


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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:15 PM
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20. Yeah, we Democrats tend to have compassion for others (nt)
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:31 PM
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22. I don't feel sorry for her; not one bit. Mostly because I have no doubt that, given her
beliefs and her personality, were she to find herself President (which is not a remote possibility with McCain), not only would she embark on courses of action that would inflict unfathomable death and misery on untold millions of people, but she would do so with great enthusiasm and the total lack of hesitation that accompanies arrogance such as hers. Plus, she's as stupid as a bag of fucking hammers (The Guardian hit it on the head when they said "Sarah Palin makes George W. Bush look like Cicero"). She's a goddamn Rapture maniac, for chrissake!

No way do I feel sorry for her. Fuck her. I hope the voters of Alaska have the good sense to recall her and remove her from office, and Smirking "Subpoenas Are For Other People" Todd goes to jail and ends up married to whoever has the most cigarettes.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 06:23 PM
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41. One more thing I don't understand about her is how did her and her dude, Todd
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 06:25 PM by frankly_fedup2
get out of testifying in troopergate? I mean I thought if you were subpoenaed you had to show up or it was contempt of court and you went to jail? So there is their law then the people's law. Hmmm.

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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:36 PM
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23. McCain has changed course so much lately
that changing course and dropping Palin would fit the strange pattern of reversing himself he's fallen into these days.
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Desperadoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:45 AM
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27. Call For Mr. Bush.....
Mr. Jed Bush, you have a call. Pick up the black phone.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 04:56 AM
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30. I posted this elsewhere, but it was inspired by this thread:

Maybe we are seeing why Todd is on her like white on rice. There's something weird about the wording of this statement. I suspect she truly is more ambitious than smart and has been totally coached to be the attractive face of some pretty shadowy folks who 'run' her. I think they are a little discomfitted by the exposure she's getting 'off leash' because it's gonna bite them when she gets back to AK with her veneer stripped off.

McCain's campaign is beginning to find out just how stupid she is on her own and just hard it is to keep her on message.


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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:08 AM
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31. WHAT A LOSS FOR WOMEN'S EQUALITY.my family and i have a run in my stockings...aunt flo just arrived!
WHAT A PUSSY CANDIDATE
AND PARTY

if they use some "my pretty little head is so spun around....
and my family needs me.... and i think i left the oven on.... and first dude needs me so he has a place to rest his beer...."

COULD YOU IMAGINE IF HILLARY (a true strength in the DEM party) CLAIMED.... i know... 3 a.m. but it's time to feed the baby
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:25 PM
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37. I think it will be "complications" with Bristol's 2nd, err..1st pregnancy.
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